From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 25 09:23:16 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, October 25 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2942 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: speedo gears RE: fsj: speedo gears Re: fsj: speedo gears fsj: tires Re: fsj: speedo gears RE: fsj: speedo gears FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:02:32 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: speedo gears john said: {- share that link... sounds like a good site regardless... I agree. I'd be interested in getting the right gears for mine. The ones you (JeepNut) listed actually would include what I need now for both FSJs -- one running 3.09s on 31", the other running 3.54s on 31". But I want to change the latter to 3.25s, so I'd be interested in speedo gears for that gear ratio (still on 31"), too. {- On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: {- {- # I had a speedo gear with 31 teeth in the GWag and then I put on some {- # Maxxis 33's. {- # The speedo seemed to read too slow of course. {- # By the tire chart these tires are really only 32.2" tall and I know my {- # drive ratio is 3.31 (sadly). {- # By MY logic, larger tires would translate to the speedo indicating a {- # slower speed than is true. {- # Therefore I would need a gear with MORE teeth to make the speedo {- # indicate faster. So I was thinking I should look for a 33 tooth gear, {- # but could only find a 34 so I got that... but the speedo is definitely {- # still not right, still reading too slow, even worse than before I think. {- # {- # I recently found a chart in an offroad mag which indicates a LESSER {- # number of teeth the larger you go in tire size..... which seems backward {- # to me. {- # It shows for example. {- # 3.55 ratio -30 teeth for 35's, 31 teeth for 33's, 31 teeth for 32's and {- # 32 teeth for 31" tires. {- # 3.07 ratio -26 teeth for 35's, 26 teeth for 33's, 27 teeth for 32's and {- # 27 teeth for 31" tires. {- # So considering I've got 3.31 ratio and tires at a little more than 32" {- # tall... I should be looking for a gear with maybe 29 teeth. {- # Is the chart wrong? Anyone think a number OTHER than 29 teeth would be {- # more correct? {- # {- # Somebody correct me before I waste another $30 for speedo gears.... {- # Thanks! I need this thing dialed in correctly so I can monitor oil {- # changes more accurately as well as keep from a hassle by the sheriff. {- # JeepNut - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hate to do it, but it looks like I'm going to have to file a big lawsuit against my parents for turning me into a pathetic, spoiled, whiny-ass, refuse-to-take-responsibility crybaby. -- Ken Gacioch - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:04:18 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: speedo gears What I do is figure out the equivalent ratio my new tires get me and get the speedo gear for that ratio. 33 inch tires with 3.73 gears was exactly the same as stock tires with 3.07 gearing. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: speedo gears > From: dan-at-black.org > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:02:32 -0500 > > john said: > {- share that link... sounds like a good site regardless... > > I agree. I'd be interested in getting the right gears for mine. > > The ones you (JeepNut) listed actually would include what I need now for > both FSJs -- one running 3.09s on 31", the other running 3.54s on 31". > But I want to change the latter to 3.25s, so I'd be interested in speedo > gears for that gear ratio (still on 31"), too. > > {- On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: > {- > {- # I had a speedo gear with 31 teeth in the GWag and then I put on some > {- # Maxxis 33's. > {- # The speedo seemed to read too slow of course. > {- # By the tire chart these tires are really only 32.2" tall and I know my > {- # drive ratio is 3.31 (sadly). > {- # By MY logic, larger tires would translate to the speedo indicating a > {- # slower speed than is true. > {- # Therefore I would need a gear with MORE teeth to make the speedo > {- # indicate faster. So I was thinking I should look for a 33 tooth gear, > {- # but could only find a 34 so I got that... but the speedo is definitely > {- # still not right, still reading too slow, even worse than before I think. > {- # > {- # I recently found a chart in an offroad mag which indicates a LESSER > {- # number of teeth the larger you go in tire size..... which seems backward > {- # to me. > {- # It shows for example. > {- # 3.55 ratio -30 teeth for 35's, 31 teeth for 33's, 31 teeth for 32's and > {- # 32 teeth for 31" tires. > {- # 3.07 ratio -26 teeth for 35's, 26 teeth for 33's, 27 teeth for 32's and > {- # 27 teeth for 31" tires. > {- # So considering I've got 3.31 ratio and tires at a little more than 32" > {- # tall... I should be looking for a gear with maybe 29 teeth. > {- # Is the chart wrong? Anyone think a number OTHER than 29 teeth would be > {- # more correct? > {- # > {- # Somebody correct me before I waste another $30 for speedo gears.... > {- # Thanks! I need this thing dialed in correctly so I can monitor oil > {- # changes more accurately as well as keep from a hassle by the sheriff. > {- # JeepNut > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > I hate to do it, but it looks like I'm going to have to file a big lawsuit > against my parents for turning me into a pathetic, spoiled, whiny-ass, > refuse-to-take-responsibility crybaby. > -- Ken Gacioch > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:17:52 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: speedo gears Hi guys, The site where I found the speedo gears is kind of cumbersome to search through but here it is: http://www.transmissioncenter.net/727transmission.htm I did an edit/find in this page in Firefox then searched "speedometer gear". The chart I mentioned was in Oct JPMagazine. There's an entire article about speedometer calibration with lots of good info. I'll scan and send to whomever wants it. Dan Black wrote: > john said: > {- share that link... sounds like a good site regardless... > > I agree. I'd be interested in getting the right gears for mine. > > The ones you (JeepNut) listed actually would include what I need now for > both FSJs -- one running 3.09s on 31", the other running 3.54s on 31". > But I want to change the latter to 3.25s, so I'd be interested in speedo > gears for that gear ratio (still on 31"), too. > > {- On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: > {- > {- # I had a speedo gear with 31 teeth in the GWag and then I put on some > {- # Maxxis 33's. > {- # The speedo seemed to read too slow of course. > {- # By the tire chart these tires are really only 32.2" tall and I know my > {- # drive ratio is 3.31 (sadly). > {- # By MY logic, larger tires would translate to the speedo indicating a > {- # slower speed than is true. > {- # Therefore I would need a gear with MORE teeth to make the speedo > {- # indicate faster. So I was thinking I should look for a 33 tooth gear, > {- # but could only find a 34 so I got that... but the speedo is definitely > {- # still not right, still reading too slow, even worse than before I think. > {- # > {- # I recently found a chart in an offroad mag which indicates a LESSER > {- # number of teeth the larger you go in tire size..... which seems backward > {- # to me. > {- # It shows for example. > {- # 3.55 ratio -30 teeth for 35's, 31 teeth for 33's, 31 teeth for 32's and > {- # 32 teeth for 31" tires. > {- # 3.07 ratio -26 teeth for 35's, 26 teeth for 33's, 27 teeth for 32's and > {- # 27 teeth for 31" tires. > {- # So considering I've got 3.31 ratio and tires at a little more than 32" > {- # tall... I should be looking for a gear with maybe 29 teeth. > {- # Is the chart wrong? Anyone think a number OTHER than 29 teeth would be > {- # more correct? > {- # > {- # Somebody correct me before I waste another $30 for speedo gears.... > {- # Thanks! I need this thing dialed in correctly so I can monitor oil > {- # changes more accurately as well as keep from a hassle by the sheriff. > {- # JeepNut > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I hate to do it, but it looks like I'm going to have to file a big lawsuit > against my parents for turning me into a pathetic, spoiled, whiny-ass, > refuse-to-take-responsibility crybaby. > -- Ken Gacioch > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- > > - -- "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - ---------------------------------------------------------- #1 '87 Street Comanche #24/100 - Currently Offline #2 '92 Cherokee Laredo - Bone stock #3 '88 Grand Wagoneer -'81 AMC 360 -.030 over; Edelbrock Performer w/ 600cfm 4bbl; TFI ignition upgrade; F727 -mild kit; NP229; D44's F/R -3:31; 6" lift kit; stainless steel brake lines; ProComp 3000 shocks; Maxxis Buckshot 33x12.5x15; OEM 14 Spoke Wagonwheels; IPF 65/55 lamps; Dozer front bumper; ...and more to come. #4 '04 Grand Cherokee Limited - Bone stock And they say ..."There's Only One"... Proof that Chrysler knows NOTHING about Jeeps. - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: tires I'm contemplating this '99 xj... left a voicemail msg, the guy is hard to reach... it definetly needs tires, can't decide between the LTXs (108/ea) and the Revo ATs (135/ea)... then I remembered that I have a set of Blizzaks in 235 mounted on rims for superdawg and omega... will only cost about $60 to swap/balance... that way I'll have time to decide if I'm going to lift the xj at all... my '87 did well with 3" and 31's. but since I'm after economy I'm not sure that's the best route, although that xj got 17 in town and 21 on the highway with that setup... this '99 is an earlier year model, still has distributer and coil and wires... so I don't have to worry about the head issues of the distributerless units. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/compare.html I'm also looking at the winch setup... a warn combo or similar is less than $200, an ARB bull bar is around $750... spotted another combo unit for around $350... not sure if an M8000 warn sitting on the front of a '99 xj will cause any handling issues... guess it shouldn't, did it before on my '85 xj with the TD... might be better to have a receiver setup and keep it in the back for traction and protection, only problem is moving it, it's 80lbs and I have a bad back... :( Omega will be a long term project... I finish my masters degree in February, will have time to rebuild my carport and set up an nice area for Omega... will gut the interior and do a complete update and rewire. By then I'll have worn out the XJ and be ready to get back into an FSJ. :) Shoot, who knows, maybe superdawg will finally be home by then too. :) and I'll be either 6 feet under or retired... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: speedo gears wow, did you see this? http://www.transmissioncenter.net/SwapInformation.htm an overdrive for the 727???? am I reading this right? what's the price... not listed... jim, is this a possibility? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: # Hi guys, # The site where I found the speedo gears is kind of cumbersome to # search through but here it is: # http://www.transmissioncenter.net/727transmission.htm # I did an edit/find in this page in Firefox then searched # "speedometer gear". # The chart I mentioned was in Oct JPMagazine. There's an entire # article about speedometer calibration with lots of good info. I'll scan # and send to whomever wants it. # # # # Dan Black wrote: # > john said: # > {- share that link... sounds like a good site regardless... # > # > I agree. I'd be interested in getting the right gears for mine. # > # > The ones you (JeepNut) listed actually would include what I need now for # > both FSJs -- one running 3.09s on 31", the other running 3.54s on 31". # > But I want to change the latter to 3.25s, so I'd be interested in speedo # > gears for that gear ratio (still on 31"), too. # > # > {- On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: # > {- # > {- # I had a speedo gear with 31 teeth in the GWag and then I put on some # > {- # Maxxis 33's. # > {- # The speedo seemed to read too slow of course. # > {- # By the tire chart these tires are really only 32.2" tall and I know my # > {- # drive ratio is 3.31 (sadly). # > {- # By MY logic, larger tires would translate to the speedo indicating a # > {- # slower speed than is true. # > {- # Therefore I would need a gear with MORE teeth to make the speedo # > {- # indicate faster. So I was thinking I should look for a 33 tooth gear, # > {- # but could only find a 34 so I got that... but the speedo is definitely # > {- # still not right, still reading too slow, even worse than before I think. # > {- # # > {- # I recently found a chart in an offroad mag which indicates a LESSER # > {- # number of teeth the larger you go in tire size..... which seems backward # > {- # to me. # > {- # It shows for example. # > {- # 3.55 ratio -30 teeth for 35's, 31 teeth for 33's, 31 teeth for 32's and # > {- # 32 teeth for 31" tires. # > {- # 3.07 ratio -26 teeth for 35's, 26 teeth for 33's, 27 teeth for 32's and # > {- # 27 teeth for 31" tires. # > {- # So considering I've got 3.31 ratio and tires at a little more than 32" # > {- # tall... I should be looking for a gear with maybe 29 teeth. # > {- # Is the chart wrong? Anyone think a number OTHER than 29 teeth would be # > {- # more correct? # > {- # # > {- # Somebody correct me before I waste another $30 for speedo gears.... # > {- # Thanks! I need this thing dialed in correctly so I can monitor oil # > {- # changes more accurately as well as keep from a hassle by the sheriff. # > {- # JeepNut # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > I hate to do it, but it looks like I'm going to have to file a big lawsuit # > against my parents for turning me into a pathetic, spoiled, whiny-ass, # > refuse-to-take-responsibility crybaby. # > -- Ken Gacioch # > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # > # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:12:20 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: speedo gears They are talking about using a 518 trans. Not adding an O/D to the 727. No 518 (45re) for AMC pattern. Just the 42RE POS. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:43:04 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jeepnut-at-bellsouth.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: speedo gears > > wow, did you see this? > > http://www.transmissioncenter.net/SwapInformation.htm > > an overdrive for the 727???? > > am I reading this right? what's the price... not listed... > > jim, is this a possibility? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: > > # Hi guys, > # The site where I found the speedo gears is kind of cumbersome to > # search through but here it is: > # http://www.transmissioncenter.net/727transmission.htm > # I did an edit/find in this page in Firefox then searched > # "speedometer gear". > # The chart I mentioned was in Oct JPMagazine. There's an entire > # article about speedometer calibration with lots of good info. I'll scan > # and send to whomever wants it. > # > # > # > # Dan Black wrote: > # > john said: > # > {- share that link... sounds like a good site regardless... > # > > # > I agree. I'd be interested in getting the right gears for mine. > # > > # > The ones you (JeepNut) listed actually would include what I need now for > # > both FSJs -- one running 3.09s on 31", the other running 3.54s on 31". > # > But I want to change the latter to 3.25s, so I'd be interested in speedo > # > gears for that gear ratio (still on 31"), too. > # > > # > {- On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, JeepNut wrote: > # > {- > # > {- # I had a speedo gear with 31 teeth in the GWag and then I put on some > # > {- # Maxxis 33's. > # > {- # The speedo seemed to read too slow of course. > # > {- # By the tire chart these tires are really only 32.2" tall and I know my > # > {- # drive ratio is 3.31 (sadly). > # > {- # By MY logic, larger tires would translate to the speedo indicating a > # > {- # slower speed than is true. > # > {- # Therefore I would need a gear with MORE teeth to make the speedo > # > {- # indicate faster. So I was thinking I should look for a 33 tooth gear, > # > {- # but could only find a 34 so I got that... but the speedo is definitely > # > {- # still not right, still reading too slow, even worse than before I think. > # > {- # > # > {- # I recently found a chart in an offroad mag which indicates a LESSER > # > {- # number of teeth the larger you go in tire size..... which seems backward > # > {- # to me. > # > {- # It shows for example. > # > {- # 3.55 ratio -30 teeth for 35's, 31 teeth for 33's, 31 teeth for 32's and > # > {- # 32 teeth for 31" tires. > # > {- # 3.07 ratio -26 teeth for 35's, 26 teeth for 33's, 27 teeth for 32's and > # > {- # 27 teeth for 31" tires. > # > {- # So considering I've got 3.31 ratio and tires at a little more than 32" > # > {- # tall... I should be looking for a gear with maybe 29 teeth. > # > {- # Is the chart wrong? Anyone think a number OTHER than 29 teeth would be > # > {- # more correct? > # > {- # > # > {- # Somebody correct me before I waste another $30 for speedo gears.... > # > {- # Thanks! I need this thing dialed in correctly so I can monitor oil > # > {- # changes more accurately as well as keep from a hassle by the sheriff. > # > {- # JeepNut > # > > # > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > # > I hate to do it, but it looks like I'm going to have to file a big lawsuit > # > against my parents for turning me into a pathetic, spoiled, whiny-ass, > # > refuse-to-take-responsibility crybaby. > # > -- Ken Gacioch > # > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- > # > > # > > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2942 **************************