From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Nov 13 15:24:15 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, November 13 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2953 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Diesel in California? There is hope... RE: fsj: Diesel in California? There is hope... fsj: Re: Diesel Jeep FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Diesel in California? There is hope... fyi ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wes Molsberry A friend in California sent this to me. Subject: Fwd: We may yet get clean diesel engines in California "With gas prices heading for the statosphere with no signs of coming down, Volkswagen is hoping that it's newest fuel-sipper will appeal to people wanting hybrid-like efficiency at a fraction of the price. The Polo Blue Motion, gets about 62 mpg. While this isn't quite as breathtaking as some concept cars such as the 157 mpg Loremo seen at: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/loremo_ag_157_m.php, the VW Polo is available for sale NOW in Germany. Perhaps the most appealing part of VW's new equation is that the bottom line checks in at a shade under $20,000 there. According to Edmunds.com, this means that "hybrids may be in the limelight right now, but conventional diesels still hold the upper hand when the right measures are applied." With low-sulphur diesel coming to the States, we might be pumping biodiesel into one of these babies sooner rather than later." Collin Dunn - -------------------------------------------------------------- "The all-new i-DTEC is the 2nd diesel engine Honda has developed. By further improving the current award winning i-CTDi's superb performance, fuel economy, and emission efficiencies, i-DTEC has achieved various stringent emission standards in the U.S., Japan, and Europe according to Honda test data. The first phase of the program, compliance with the Euro 5 legislation expected in 2009, has already reached fruition, and an example of the new engine, which makes its first appearance in next year's Accord range, is scheduled to be shown on a test stand at the 2008 Geneva motor show. Honda continues to work on the second phase of development of its latest diesel engine and has already achieved compliance with the stringent USA Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Tier II/Bin 5 emissions requirements. This is of particular significance to the European market in that the USA Tier II standards are even more demanding than the Euro 6 requirements which remain at the proposal stage. An example of this second engine is scheduled for display. 7 In Euro 5 regulation, emissions of particulates from diesel-engined cars are expected to be reduced by 80 per cent compared to Euro 4 (down from 25 to 5 mg/km), while NOx levels are cut from 250 to 180 mg/km. 7 Tier II is the second stage of US emissions standards and is split into eight permanent and three temporary certification levels called ^Qbins' to which vehicles are certified. When fully implemented in 2009 at "Bin 5 level", a manufacturer's light-vehicle fleet must meet the average NOx standard of approximately 43.5 mg/km (0.07 g/mile) which is equivalent to California's LEV II standard." World.Honda.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:36:32 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Diesel in California? There is hope... > Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:34:40 -0800 > From: john > > "The all-new i-DTEC is the 2nd diesel engine Honda has developed. By > further improving the current award winning i-CTDi's superb > performance, fuel economy, and emission efficiencies, i-DTEC has > achieved various stringent emission standards in the U.S., Japan, and > Europe according to Honda test data. The honda was release last year in the UK. Indeed the accord was getting over 60mpg..... and then it disappeared from the spotlights..... We heard even 80mpg..... Emission regulation are important for diesel.... In Europe, try to wait at a stoplight for traffic to stop so you can walk accross the street at rush hour..... can be breathtaking... it stinks so bad (and it is not BO) .... over 50% of the cars are diesel........ Riding a motorcycle in the long underpass (over 1/2 miles for a few times)..... your synthetic material jacket will be embedded w a nice "eau de diesel" I did not have leather.... too heavy.... I feel sorry for the people on bicycles.... Michel 74wag _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Diesel Jeep # http://news.windingroad.com/body-stylesmarket-segment/sport-utility-vehicles/jeep-brings-diesel-power-to-base-grand-cherokee/ # unfortunately daimler-chrysler ruined the jeep... the wj was the last good unit... the "WK" doesn't even follow the historical jeep designators... :( so sad... Why or how have they ruined it? 1) they've removed the solid front axle for complex independent front suspension that effectively ruins off road clearance and severely complicates and makes very expensive modifications such as lifts intended to provide better ground clearance. In addition, this creates issues with ball joints and other components that usually are not a problem for a "real" Jeep. 2) they further reduced visibility from the WJ, which already had pedestrian sized blind spots 3) they reduced headroom so even a runt like me hits his head getting in. 4) they complicated the rear suspension, creating drag/snag points underneath. 5) they've ruined the sleek and graceful appearance of the GC/WJ... it looks more lot like a chrysler/dodge than a Jeep. I could go on, but I have to go... I really wish they'd offer this driveline in the WJ model... :( Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put it in the wrangler with 4 doors... hopefully before they screw that up too. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # http://news.windingroad.com/body-stylesmarket-segment/sport-utility-vehicles/jeep-brings-diesel-power-to-base-grand-cherokee/ # # --chuck # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2953 **************************