From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jan 5 20:04:52 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, January 6 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2983 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer fsj: Feel safe in that big pickup? (fwd) Re: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer RE: fsj: Feel safe in that big pickup? (fwd) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer you are very welcome. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, MIDWAYadv wrote: # Boys you are the top, excellent! I have not never had much fortune in order # to have found many persons that they can help me. # Now I will have translate yours mail but I will answer and make to see vs. # messages to my mechanic. # My Grand Wagoneer is 1988. For me is one of the more fascinating cars that # never they # have been constructed. When I drive, I have all the eyes for me... you # understand? # I do not know if it will never happen but I live to Rimini (Italy) and job in # the near Repubblic of San Marino... and I say you that if you travel in # Italy... tell me please. # If you have need of some favor from Italy or San Marino not doubted to ask # me. # # excuse me... for now, hello to all and GRAZIE GRAZIE GRAZIE. :-) Luca # # # # # # # Il giorno 04/gen/08, alle ore 23:38, john ha scritto: # # > # >Luca (and Michel), # > # >here is the link to Michael Shimniock's excellent article on v8 vacuum: # > # > # >http://tc.wagoneer.net/sblog/static.php?page=fsj_vac_routing # > # >enjoy, # >john # > # > # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, michel balea wrote: # > # > # Happy New Year to our friends accross the pond. # > # # > # Luca, very nice grand Wagoneer.... 87 or newer? # > # # > # When the weather clears, we can measure the dipstick from tube seal to # > # bottom... i have a metric measuring tape.... will send w pict. At least # > # it # > # will clear the oil issue.... Which oil are you using.... 20W50 when the # > # temperature drops below 12 degrees centigrade, will make the engine crank # > # abit # > # slowler. In your pictures, it seems like some mountains vegetation from # > # northern Italy. # > # # > # Believe it or not, we are having he biggest storm in Northern California # > # in # > # the last 10 years or so. The streets are littered w debris. # > # # > # As for the performances, I would start on the little things.... the # > # basics: # > # is timing set properly as per specs, idle mixture and so on.... It seems # > # like # > # what has been done is changing a lot of parts without really trying to do # > # a # > # thorough diagnostic...... Basically,, you are the mechanic, or you need # > # to # > # find someone familiar w american engines from the 70-80's. Our other # > # friends # > # can help. I think there is another Italian wagoneer's owner in one of the # > # other lists.... # > # # > # I would focus on the engine function: it seems like the accelerator valve # > # is # > # in need of replacement.... hesitation from startup is a sign, such as # > # running # > # poor on acceleration... the power valve could be either connected to the # > # wrong port... and dumping a lot of fuel down the manifold... As John # > # said.... # > # carefully checking the vacuum routing is key..... check Michael's # > # schematics. # > # # > # On the transmission, i would check the oil level first... i can picture # > # and # > # measure the diptick for the automatic transmission.... then if the oil is # > # dirty....change the oil and filter.... Some will say no.... but.... this # > # would # > # be a good check on oil level and fluid quality, and adjusting the # > # bands.... # > # May be not the easiest to do in Italy.... You need to find someone who # > # serviced american cars (Chrysler) or british cars: the jaguar rolls and # > # others # > # used the TH400, so doing the TF727 may not be too far off.... nearby. I # > # was # > # nearby in October... may be soon. # > # # > # I will forward to a french wagoneer owner.. who is in Toulouse..... # > # # > # as you said "arreevedertchi" # > # # > # Michel # > # 74wagoneer # > # 85Grandwagoneer # > # In San Francisco, and sometimes in Europe # > # # > # # > # > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:07:41 -0800 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: stef.dolly-at-chello.nl; abergsk-at-online.no; heinkeltommy-at-hotmail.com; # > # Antti-Ville.Nauha-at-kemira.com; fsj-at-digest.net; campo-at-midwayadv.com # > #> Subject: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer # > # # > # > 1) I'm not sure what the problem might be with the engine. I would # > # > replace all the vacuum lines and make sure they match the diagram # > # > under the hood, and that all bolts on the intake manifold are # > # > torqued correctly. Check the spark plug wiring order as well: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/firingorder.html # > # > # > # > # > # > Then, I would run a compression test on the engine cylinders. # > # > I ran a test on my '89 Grand Wagoneer and got these results: # > # > Compression test on 360 V8 reads: 135, 140, 130, 130, 130, 120, 135 and # > # > 145 # > # > # > # > This reading is in PSI - Pounds per Square Inch. I'm not sure what # > # > unit # > # > of measure you would use. I have a shareware tool that will convert # > # > it into metric, you can download it from: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/CS/TOOLS/Convert.exe # > # > # > # > # > # > 2) This sounds like the transmission may be failing. The Torqueflite # > # > 727 is not very long lived. You may need to have it rebuilt. # > # > # > # > I would add an external transmission cooler and use Synthetic ATF. # > # > The transmission does NOT route oil to the cooler when in PARK. # > # > # > # > 3) I would recommend joining the FSJ list on digest.net. # > #> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html # > # # > # # > # > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, MIDWAYadv wrote: # > # # > # # > # > # I have had some problems to the carburetor and I have # > # > # practically re-make all the connections from the tank to the motor. # > # > # I have bought an other carburetor re-conditioned from the # > # > # teamgrandwagoneer but also it had one problem. # > # > # I have changed also the distributor Assembly, the ignition coil, the # > # ignitio # > #> # module the starter Relay e many others parts but the motor stretches # > #no # > # good. # > # > # it is like if the motor it did not work melted, limpid and round. # > # > # Also # > # > # when I accelerate it does not go smooth as it would have 8 # > # > # cylinders of that piston displacement. # > # > # > # > See #1 above. # > # > # > # > # Strange what happens one... if I put oil in differentiates them to # > # > # the # > # > # just level, the motor does not strike par, if then I remove it and I # > # > # leave the oil to the minimal level the motor goes decidedly better. # > # > # I believe that the dipstick oil of the level of the oil of # > # differentiates # > # > # is not original... but I do not succeed to find of one original. # > # > # Moreover when the car is cold seems that the D automatic drive or the # > # > # L # > # drive # > #> # slips... is like as the drive without power , it uncouples without # > # warning # > # > # then as soon as I raise the number of turns of the motor, # > # > # without warning is coupled and left again. # > # > # When the car is warm does not have more this problem. Perhaps then # > # > # the # > # oil of # > # > # the change goes in # > # > # pressure and all it goes well. In any case I am angry why I would # > # > # want to use it in easy way and instead these problems they render its # > # > # use indeed unpleasant. I # > # > # > # > See #2 above. # > # > # > # > # > # > # would want that all good went and I would want to resolve all the # > # problems. # > #> # We can remain in contact so, you can help me to understand problems # > #and # > # to # > # > # indicate to me where i can acquire pieces in America? # > # > # > # > See #3 above. # > # > # > # > # It would be a very great fortune for me. hello Luca # > # > # in the next one mail I send the photos to you of the car # > # > # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Luca-IT-GW/ # > # > # > # > # Excuse me for my no good english # > # > # > # > Only if you excuse my Italian. :) # > # > # > # > arrevadirtchee. :) # > # > # > # > john # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. # > # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:14:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Feel safe in that big pickup? (fwd) interesting test results... big is not better from these results, at least for single vehicle crashes... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: paul w. While neither one would be fun to be in, if it happened to you, which one would you rather be in? MINI Cooper vs Ford F-150 in 40mph offset impact tests (Note: this is NOT against each other, but how they fair when hitting something solid) http://bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150/ Videos of these crash tests: Mini Cooper crash test video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BdAi3DfjE Ford F-150 crash test video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCIBOYxzqko ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer I drove by your area in June 1976. We camped near Venezia, stopped at Ravenna and then drove down to Salerno and up the Amalfi Drive. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/Slides-1974-1985/travel/venice-1976_0069.jpg http://wagoneers.com/fotos/Slides-1974-1985/travel/mediterranean-1976_0037.jpg from there to Napoli, Capri, up to Rome and Pisa... of course I love the greetings at the toll booth: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/MISC-fotos/itoll.jpg later we drove down through Torino on our way to Spain in 1977, camped along the river: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/Slides-1974-1985/cars/camping-torino-italy-mar-77-bmw-2500.jpg I have more pictures, but not digitized yet. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, MIDWAYadv wrote: # Boys you are the top, excellent! I have not never had much fortune in order # to have found many persons that they can help me. # Now I will have translate yours mail but I will answer and make to see vs. # messages to my mechanic. # My Grand Wagoneer is 1988. For me is one of the more fascinating cars that # never they # have been constructed. When I drive, I have all the eyes for me... you # understand? # I do not know if it will never happen but I live to Rimini (Italy) and job in # the near Repubblic of San Marino... and I say you that if you travel in # Italy... tell me please. # If you have need of some favor from Italy or San Marino not doubted to ask # me. # # excuse me... for now, hello to all and GRAZIE GRAZIE GRAZIE. :-) Luca # # # # # # # Il giorno 04/gen/08, alle ore 23:38, john ha scritto: # # > # >Luca (and Michel), # > # >here is the link to Michael Shimniock's excellent article on v8 vacuum: # > # > # >http://tc.wagoneer.net/sblog/static.php?page=fsj_vac_routing # > # >enjoy, # >john # > # > # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, michel balea wrote: # > # > # Happy New Year to our friends accross the pond. # > # # > # Luca, very nice grand Wagoneer.... 87 or newer? # > # # > # When the weather clears, we can measure the dipstick from tube seal to # > # bottom... i have a metric measuring tape.... will send w pict. At least # > # it # > # will clear the oil issue.... Which oil are you using.... 20W50 when the # > # temperature drops below 12 degrees centigrade, will make the engine crank # > # abit # > # slowler. In your pictures, it seems like some mountains vegetation from # > # northern Italy. # > # # > # Believe it or not, we are having he biggest storm in Northern California # > # in # > # the last 10 years or so. The streets are littered w debris. # > # # > # As for the performances, I would start on the little things.... the # > # basics: # > # is timing set properly as per specs, idle mixture and so on.... It seems # > # like # > # what has been done is changing a lot of parts without really trying to do # > # a # > # thorough diagnostic...... Basically,, you are the mechanic, or you need # > # to # > # find someone familiar w american engines from the 70-80's. Our other # > # friends # > # can help. I think there is another Italian wagoneer's owner in one of the # > # other lists.... # > # # > # I would focus on the engine function: it seems like the accelerator valve # > # is # > # in need of replacement.... hesitation from startup is a sign, such as # > # running # > # poor on acceleration... the power valve could be either connected to the # > # wrong port... and dumping a lot of fuel down the manifold... As John # > # said.... # > # carefully checking the vacuum routing is key..... check Michael's # > # schematics. # > # # > # On the transmission, i would check the oil level first... i can picture # > # and # > # measure the diptick for the automatic transmission.... then if the oil is # > # dirty....change the oil and filter.... Some will say no.... but.... this # > # would # > # be a good check on oil level and fluid quality, and adjusting the # > # bands.... # > # May be not the easiest to do in Italy.... You need to find someone who # > # serviced american cars (Chrysler) or british cars: the jaguar rolls and # > # others # > # used the TH400, so doing the TF727 may not be too far off.... nearby. I # > # was # > # nearby in October... may be soon. # > # # > # I will forward to a french wagoneer owner.. who is in Toulouse..... # > # # > # as you said "arreevedertchi" # > # # > # Michel # > # 74wagoneer # > # 85Grandwagoneer # > # In San Francisco, and sometimes in Europe # > # # > # # > # > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:07:41 -0800 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: stef.dolly-at-chello.nl; abergsk-at-online.no; heinkeltommy-at-hotmail.com; # > # Antti-Ville.Nauha-at-kemira.com; fsj-at-digest.net; campo-at-midwayadv.com # > # > Subject: fsj: Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer # > # # > # > 1) I'm not sure what the problem might be with the engine. I would # > # > replace all the vacuum lines and make sure they match the diagram # > # > under the hood, and that all bolts on the intake manifold are # > # > torqued correctly. Check the spark plug wiring order as well: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/firingorder.html # > # > # > # > # > # > Then, I would run a compression test on the engine cylinders. # > # > I ran a test on my '89 Grand Wagoneer and got these results: # > # > Compression test on 360 V8 reads: 135, 140, 130, 130, 130, 120, 135 and # > # > 145 # > # > # > # > This reading is in PSI - Pounds per Square Inch. I'm not sure what # > # > unit # > # > of measure you would use. I have a shareware tool that will convert # > # > it into metric, you can download it from: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/CS/TOOLS/Convert.exe # > # > # > # > # > # > 2) This sounds like the transmission may be failing. The Torqueflite # > # > 727 is not very long lived. You may need to have it rebuilt. # > # > # > # > I would add an external transmission cooler and use Synthetic ATF. # > # > The transmission does NOT route oil to the cooler when in PARK. # > # > # > # > 3) I would recommend joining the FSJ list on digest.net. # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html # > # # > # # > # > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, MIDWAYadv wrote: # > # # > # # > # > # I have had some problems to the carburetor and I have # > # > # practically re-make all the connections from the tank to the motor. # > # > # I have bought an other carburetor re-conditioned from the # > # > # teamgrandwagoneer but also it had one problem. # > # > # I have changed also the distributor Assembly, the ignition coil, the # > # ignitio # > # > # module the starter Relay e many others parts but the motor stretches # > # > # no # > # good. # > # > # it is like if the motor it did not work melted, limpid and round. # > # > # Also # > # > # when I accelerate it does not go smooth as it would have 8 # > # > # cylinders of that piston displacement. # > # > # > # > See #1 above. # > # > # > # > # Strange what happens one... if I put oil in differentiates them to # > # > # the # > # > # just level, the motor does not strike par, if then I remove it and I # > # > # leave the oil to the minimal level the motor goes decidedly better. # > # > # I believe that the dipstick oil of the level of the oil of # > # differentiates # > # > # is not original... but I do not succeed to find of one original. # > # > # Moreover when the car is cold seems that the D automatic drive or the # > # > # L # > # drive # > # > # slips... is like as the drive without power , it uncouples without # > # warning # > # > # then as soon as I raise the number of turns of the motor, # > # > # without warning is coupled and left again. # > # > # When the car is warm does not have more this problem. Perhaps then # > # > # the # > # oil of # > # > # the change goes in # > # > # pressure and all it goes well. In any case I am angry why I would # > # > # want to use it in easy way and instead these problems they render its # > # > # use indeed unpleasant. I # > # > # > # > See #2 above. # > # > # > # > # > # > # would want that all good went and I would want to resolve all the # > # problems. # > # > # We can remain in contact so, you can help me to understand problems # > # > # and # > # to # > # > # indicate to me where i can acquire pieces in America? # > # > # > # > See #3 above. # > # > # > # > # It would be a very great fortune for me. hello Luca # > # > # in the next one mail I send the photos to you of the car # > # > # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Luca-IT-GW/ # > # > # > # > # Excuse me for my no good english # > # > # > # > Only if you excuse my Italian. :) # > # > # > # > arrevadirtchee. :) # > # > # > # > john # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. # > # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:04:37 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Feel safe in that big pickup? (fwd) That's because it's a newer rig. Had I been driving a newer rig than my '73 J4000 when it went onto it's lid, I probably wouldn't be here now! _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista. + Windows Live^Y. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2983 **************************