From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 4 20:47:25 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 5 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3002 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: =?windows-1256?Q?Re:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= RE: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN fsj: Re: Build sheet RE: fsj: Re: Build sheet RE: fsj: Re: Build sheet =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= RE: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:57:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: =?windows-1256?Q?Re:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= I've made block outs for my fuel pumps, I don't thin the GM style will work. I use SuSE Linux, RedHat hasn't been good for over 5 years. A simple Linux that works well for normal folks is Ubuntu, it's a Debian based version, everything just works! It's done correctly... SuSE is also quite good but may require some skill to make it work with all hardware. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote: # John, # # # My pump is only a few months old... but i guess since i ran unfiltered and you get what you pay for... I am thinking of getting a hp pump non electric that carter edelbrock thing... Oh does someone make block off plates for fuel pump? Anyhoos .... do you still use Linux? i have played around with a few different versions in teh past .. i never can seam to install nvidia drivers correc tly or at all really... Anyway i think i have fedora 5 or 6.. i am also would be installing whatever on a raid 0 or should i save it for another forum? # # Bob # _________________________________________________________________ # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:11:48 -0800 From: "Joe" Subject: =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= I would highly recommend PCLinuxOS. The easiest one to install. http://www.pclinuxos.com/ Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:57 PM To: Zee Man Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN~ I've made block outs for my fuel pumps, I don't thin the GM style will work. I use SuSE Linux, RedHat hasn't been good for over 5 years. A simple Linux that works well for normal folks is Ubuntu, it's a Debian based version, everything just works! It's done correctly... SuSE is also quite good but may require some skill to make it work with all hardware. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote: # John, # # # My pump is only a few months old... but i guess since i ran unfiltered and you get what you pay for... I am thinking of getting a hp pump non electric that carter edelbrock thing... Oh does someone make block off plates for fuel pump? Anyhoos .... do you still use Linux? i have played around with a few different versions in teh past .. i never can seam to install nvidia drivers correc tly or at all really... Anyway i think i have fedora 5 or 6.. i am also would be installing whatever on a raid 0 or should i save it for another forum? # # Bob # _________________________________________________________________ # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:17:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= do they have a KDE version? what's the base distribution that they started from? or at least which one did they get their start from? Kubuntu is KDE based... regular Ubunutu is Gnome... my Grand Wagoneer will have a toughbook running SuSE linux. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Joe wrote: # I would highly recommend PCLinuxOS. The easiest one to install. # http://www.pclinuxos.com/ # # Joe H. # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:57 PM # To: Zee Man # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN? # # I've made block outs for my fuel pumps, I don't thin # the GM style will work. # # I use SuSE Linux, RedHat hasn't been good for over 5 years. # # A simple Linux that works well for normal folks is Ubuntu, # it's a Debian based version, everything just works! It's done # correctly... # # SuSE is also quite good but may require some skill to make it work # with all hardware. # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # My pump is only a few months old... but i guess since i ran unfiltered # and you get what you pay for... I am thinking of getting a hp pump non # electric that carter edelbrock thing... Oh does someone make block off # plates for fuel pump? Anyhoos .... do you still use Linux? i have played # around with a few different versions in teh past .. i never can seam to # install nvidia drivers correc tly or at all really... Anyway i think i # have fedora 5 or 6.. i am also would be installing whatever on a raid 0 or # should i save it for another forum? # # # # Bob # # _________________________________________________________________ # # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with # star power. # # # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 03:25:33 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN If you think fuel. i would put a mechanical fuel gauge. Now for the kicker.... how do you route the fuel line from the carb inlet to the gauge so you can read it. I have some "issues" w my 85 project..... so i put a fuel gauge... but was debatting weather do drill a hole in the hood so i can see what is happening. Probably a hole thru the cowl/vent and resting below the wiper arm. the 3rd nipple is at 12 o'clock.... and was reading 3 psi..... sorry for the hijack... but in my case it is at idle... shortly after the temp gauge reaches the green band.... and a steep downhill..... well it is SF.... basically i put in neutral and open the throttle a tad... it will work. Michel 74 wag > From: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 18:30:27 -0600 > > I do not believe my luck... > I have changed the filter in the tank, replaced all the rubber all the way up > to the carb.. Today i was drivinga round and my vehicle started to die like it > was running outta gas again... It has been running so nice the last few > weeks... anyway it seams to do this randomly... i mean i was leaving lowes > and it started to bog then runns absolutely fine... I get it out on the > interstate run 60 mph for 5 miles zero problems i was driving about 40-50 mph > in soem traffic and then the thing starts to die... it keeps running barely > then it smooths out again.... So i am guessing fuel pump or water.... any > ideas? I have a glass filter and dont see anything unusual in my filter at > carb. > > thanks > > bob > > 78 Cherokee Chief > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:35:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Build sheet as far as I know they've always had Dana 44s in the rear of the Wagoneers... up until about 80 when they switched to a Model 20. I can check my shop manuals, have a wide range of 'em... build sheets are pretty rare, I've seen two or three between SJ and XJ models. :) panel isn't actively on the market, but still for sale, my son took the 35's off and it actually drives better. :) still trying to sell my '89 GW... and still trying to get my '91 GW 6.2L Diesel primed... getting closer, every time I visit Omega in the carport I crank and then look for fuel dribbles... :) going to buy a starting type battery charger tomorrow... I may just fix up all the wiring and then have him towed to a Diesel shop and have him started up... never ever ever run a Diesel out of fuel completely... it's a miserable experience getting it reprimed... soon as you realize the fuel coming in is gone and it studders, shut it off ASAP... I inherited this problem... hey, look what I found: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/build-sheets.txt anyway, here's some BUILD ORDERS and Summary sheets: FSJ (1989) Summary Sheets: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet1.JPG http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet2.JPG FSJ (1984? - need to check the VIN) build order: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/vehicle-building-order.jpg I really need to reorganize my website... almost done with Grad School, Feb 16 is my last class and I'm done, then I'll have some time for Jeeps, carport rebuilding and website updates. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rice4pack-at-aol.com wrote: # Hey John, # # I was just wondering if you've ever run across a build sheet for the early Wagoneers like mine. If you have, how would I get one? # # The reason I ask is that I discovered that the rear axle in my Jeep is a Dana 44, but the book shows only Dana 27's in the rear for the Wagoneer. Dana 44's came in the half-ton pick-ups (according to my literature and the shop manual). # # Both axles have the correct date codes (3/14/63 for the front and 3/21/63 for the rear). # # By the way, how's the sale of your panel going? # # Thanks for checking on this. When you get a chance, let me know. # # Thanks. Bruce # ________________________________________________________________________ # More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:02:52 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Build sheet Dana 27 was the front axle for pre '70 Wagoneers (as well as D30 for a few years) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:35:30 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: rice4pack-at-aol.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: Build sheet > > as far as I know they've always had Dana 44s in the rear of > the Wagoneers... up until about 80 when they switched to a Model 20. > I can check my shop manuals, have a wide range of 'em... > > build sheets are pretty rare, I've seen two or three between > SJ and XJ models. :) > > panel isn't actively on the market, but still for sale, my son > took the 35's off and it actually drives better. :) > > still trying to sell my '89 GW... and still trying to get > my '91 GW 6.2L Diesel primed... getting closer, every time > I visit Omega in the carport I crank and then look for fuel > dribbles... :) going to buy a starting type battery charger > tomorrow... > > I may just fix up all the wiring and then have him towed > to a Diesel shop and have him started up... never ever ever > run a Diesel out of fuel completely... it's a miserable experience > getting it reprimed... soon as you realize the fuel coming in > is gone and it studders, shut it off ASAP... I inherited this > problem... > > hey, look what I found: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/build-sheets.txt > anyway, here's some BUILD ORDERS and Summary sheets: > > FSJ (1989) Summary Sheets: > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet1.JPG > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet2.JPG > > FSJ (1984? - need to check the VIN) build order: > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/vehicle-building-order.jpg > > > I really need to reorganize my website... almost done with Grad School, > Feb 16 is my last class and I'm done, then I'll have some time for > Jeeps, carport rebuilding and website updates. :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rice4pack-at-aol.com wrote: > > # Hey John, > # > # I was just wondering if you've ever run across a build sheet for the early Wagoneers like mine. If you have, how would I get one? > # > # The reason I ask is that I discovered that the rear axle in my Jeep is a Dana 44, but the book shows only Dana 27's in the rear for the Wagoneer. Dana 44's came in the half-ton pick-ups (according to my literature and the shop manual). > # > # Both axles have the correct date codes (3/14/63 for the front and 3/21/63 for the rear). > # > # By the way, how's the sale of your panel going? > # > # Thanks for checking on this. When you get a chance, let me know. > # > # Thanks. Bruce > # ________________________________________________________________________ > # More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > # _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Build sheet yes on the DAna 27, not sure on the D30, would have to verify that wiht my shop manuals... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Dana 27 was the front axle for pre '70 Wagoneers (as well as D30 for a few years) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:35:30 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: rice4pack-at-aol.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: Build sheet # > # > as far as I know they've always had Dana 44s in the rear of # > the Wagoneers... up until about 80 when they switched to a Model 20. # > I can check my shop manuals, have a wide range of 'em... # > # > build sheets are pretty rare, I've seen two or three between # > SJ and XJ models. :) # > # > panel isn't actively on the market, but still for sale, my son # > took the 35's off and it actually drives better. :) # > # > still trying to sell my '89 GW... and still trying to get # > my '91 GW 6.2L Diesel primed... getting closer, every time # > I visit Omega in the carport I crank and then look for fuel # > dribbles... :) going to buy a starting type battery charger # > tomorrow... # > # > I may just fix up all the wiring and then have him towed # > to a Diesel shop and have him started up... never ever ever # > run a Diesel out of fuel completely... it's a miserable experience # > getting it reprimed... soon as you realize the fuel coming in # > is gone and it studders, shut it off ASAP... I inherited this # > problem... # > # > hey, look what I found: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/build-sheets.txt # > anyway, here's some BUILD ORDERS and Summary sheets: # > # > FSJ (1989) Summary Sheets: # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet1.JPG # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/89GW_SummarySheet2.JPG # > # > FSJ (1984? - need to check the VIN) build order: # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/vehicle-building-order.jpg # > # > # > I really need to reorganize my website... almost done with Grad School, # > Feb 16 is my last class and I'm done, then I'll have some time for # > Jeeps, carport rebuilding and website updates. :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, rice4pack-at-aol.com wrote: # > # > # Hey John, # > # # > # I was just wondering if you've ever run across a build sheet for the early Wagoneers like mine. If you have, how would I get one? # > # # > # The reason I ask is that I discovered that the rear axle in my Jeep is a Dana 44, but the book shows only Dana 27's in the rear for the Wagoneer. Dana 44's came in the half-ton pick-ups (according to my literature and the shop manual). # > # # > # Both axles have the correct date codes (3/14/63 for the front and 3/21/63 for the rear). # > # # > # By the way, how's the sale of your panel going? # > # # > # Thanks for checking on this. When you get a chance, let me know. # > # # > # Thanks. Bruce # > # ________________________________________________________________________ # > # More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: =?windows-1255?Q?RE:_fsj:_Fuel_Delivery_Problems_RETURN=FE?= I haven't played with mandrake for a long, long time... that was the base for Redmond Linux that became Lycoris that ended up with Mandrake if I'm not mistaken. :) not sure what's harder to keep track of... Jeep configurations or Linux distributions? ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Joe wrote: # I would highly recommend PCLinuxOS. The easiest one to install. # http://www.pclinuxos.com/ # # Joe H. # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:57 PM # To: Zee Man # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN? # # I've made block outs for my fuel pumps, I don't thin # the GM style will work. # # I use SuSE Linux, RedHat hasn't been good for over 5 years. # # A simple Linux that works well for normal folks is Ubuntu, # it's a Debian based version, everything just works! It's done # correctly... # # SuSE is also quite good but may require some skill to make it work # with all hardware. # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # My pump is only a few months old... but i guess since i ran unfiltered # and you get what you pay for... I am thinking of getting a hp pump non # electric that carter edelbrock thing... Oh does someone make block off # plates for fuel pump? Anyhoos .... do you still use Linux? i have played # around with a few different versions in teh past .. i never can seam to # install nvidia drivers correc tly or at all really... Anyway i think i # have fedora 5 or 6.. i am also would be installing whatever on a raid 0 or # should i save it for another forum? # # # # Bob # # _________________________________________________________________ # # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with # star power. # # # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:44:53 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN Before you bail on the current fuel pump, remove the line at the carb (or close to it if there is a filter up top) and before the pump, then gently apply air pressure (not too much at once or you'll rupture the diaphragm in the pump) and blow whatever is in there into a cloth and see if crud comes through. Add a 2 line filter (preferably the see through kind) before the pump and then see if the problem goes away. Being a '78, do you have the Motorcraft or Presto-no-lite ignition system? (presto is gold box) The connection between the dist and harness on the Prestolite is a known issue and the factory "fix" was to remove the connector (even mild corrosion was it's enemy) and solder the 2 wires to keep the micro-voltage signal going. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Delivery Problems RETURN~ > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:25:11 -0600 > > John, > > > My pump is only a few months old... but i guess since i ran unfiltered and you get what you pay for... I am thinking of getting a hp pump non electric that carter edelbrock thing... Oh does someone make block off plates for fuel pump? Anyhoos .... do you still use Linux? i have played around with a few different versions in teh past .. i never can seam to install nvidia drivers correc tly or at all really... Anyway i think i have fedora 5 or 6.. i am also would be installing whatever on a raid 0 or should i save it for another forum? > > Bob > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3002 **************************