From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Feb 10 22:07:37 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, February 11 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3007 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 Re: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 RE: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 RE: fsj: best riding lift? RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" fsj: they've lost their minds... RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:31:20 -0600 From: Zee Man Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 MY A/c compressor clutch is making tons of noise so i took off the belt however i guess i will go with leave it in the engine bay. I was thinking down the road getting a new compressor anyway.. On another note... I changed my oil from 15w 40w to 20w 50w and it seams to be using much less... i drove like 60 miles with exactly 5 qts in a PH 11 filter and for some reason its still full . I did keep it under 70 mph though, i will wait for the morning to go check again. I would drive to work and back 16 miles under 55 mph and it would seam to use a 1/4 of a quart with 15w 40w. I didnt think 10w more would make that much difference. Oh i am using WALMART brand oil now since its drinking it like a fish. Thanks for all your help bob > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:19:33 -0600> From: Zee Man > Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> > I never had a/c on any of my past AMC cars,,, so when i pull the engine (a/c> doesnt get cold, but works), do i unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> attached,,, or do i pull the compressor and leave it on the battery tray or> something? ideas/inputs?> > Bob> > > 78 Cherokee Chief 360> > > _________________________________________________________________> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> > - ------------------------------> > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:59:14 -0800 (PST)> From: john > Subject: Re: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> > leave the a/c system intact, sounds like all it needs is a refresh/charge...> > > remove the ac pump from the engine and lay it over to the side, being> careful not to twist or kink anything. some of the a/c pumps> on jeeps have a shutoff valve at the pump, if that's the case, close> the valves too.> > john> > - -----> - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> there's a solution for every problem;> problem is can we afford the solution?> - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote:> > # I never had a/c on any of my past AMC cars,,, so when i pull the engine (a/c> # doesnt get cold, but works), do i unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> # attached,,, or do i pull the compressor and leave it on the battery tray or> # something? ideas/inputs?> # > # Bob> # > # > # 78 Cherokee Chief 360> # > # > # _________________________________________________________________> # Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> # http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> # > > - ------------------------------> > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:10:14 -0800> From: "Joe" > Subject: fsj: RE: PULLING ENGINE V8> > I've always left the compressor in the engine bay. Just hang it on some> string or a metal hanger.> > Joe H.> > - -----Original Message-----> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Zee> Man> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:20 AM> To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net> Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> > I never had a/c on any of my past AMC cars,,, so when i pull the engine> (a/c> doesnt get cold, but works), do i unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> attached,,, or do i pull the compressor and leave it on the battery tray or> something? ideas/inputs?> > Bob> > > 78 Cherokee Chief 360> > > _________________________________________________________________> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> > - ------------------------------> > End of fsj-digest V1 #3006> **************************> _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 might be the clutch... on the front of the compressor. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote: # MY A/c compressor clutch is making tons of noise so i took off the belt # however i guess i will go with leave it in the engine bay. I was thinking # down the road getting a new compressor anyway.. # # On another note... # # I changed my oil from 15w 40w to 20w 50w and it seams to be using much # less... i drove like 60 miles with exactly 5 qts in a PH 11 filter and for # some reason its still full . I did keep it under 70 mph though, i will wait # for the morning to go check again. I would drive to work and back 16 miles # under 55 mph and it would seam to use a 1/4 of a quart with 15w 40w. I didnt # think 10w more would make that much difference. Oh i am using WALMART brand # oil now since its drinking it like a fish. # # # Thanks for all your help # # # bob # # # # # # # > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:19:33 -0600> From: Zee Man > # Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> > I never had a/c on any of my past AMC # cars,,, so when i pull the engine (a/c> doesnt get cold, but works), do i # unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> attached,,, or do i pull the compressor # and leave it on the battery tray or> something? ideas/inputs?> > Bob> > > 78 # Cherokee Chief 360> > > # _________________________________________________________________> Get the # power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> # http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> > # ------------------------------> > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:59:14 -0800 (PST)> # From: john > Subject: Re: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> > leave # the a/c system intact, sounds like all it needs is a refresh/charge...> > > # remove the ac pump from the engine and lay it over to the side, being> careful # not to twist or kink anything. some of the a/c pumps> on jeeps have a shutoff # valve at the pump, if that's the case, close> the valves too.> > john> > # -----> - # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - # ----------------------------------------------------------------------> # there's a solution for every problem;> problem is can we afford the solution?> # - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > # On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Zee Man wrote:> > # I never had a/c on any of my past AMC # cars,,, so when i pull the engine (a/c> # doesnt get cold, but works), do i # unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> # attached,,, or do i pull the # compressor and leave it on the battery tray or> # something? ideas/inputs?> # # > # Bob> # > # > # 78 Cherokee Chief 360> # > # > # # _________________________________________________________________> # Get the # power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> # # http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> # > > # ------------------------------> > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:10:14 -0800> From: # "Joe" > Subject: fsj: RE: PULLING ENGINE V8> > I've always # left the compressor in the engine bay. Just hang it on some> string or a metal # hanger.> > Joe H.> > - -----Original Message-----> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Zee> Man> Sent: Sunday, February # 10, 2008 5:20 AM> To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net> Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8> # > I never had a/c on any of my past AMC cars,,, so when i pull the engine> # (a/c> doesnt get cold, but works), do i unhook a/c lines and leave compressor> # attached,,, or do i pull the compressor and leave it on the battery tray or> # something? ideas/inputs?> > Bob> > > 78 Cherokee Chief 360> > > # _________________________________________________________________> Get the # power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.> # http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007> > # ------------------------------> > End of fsj-digest V1 #3006> # **************************> # _________________________________________________________________ # Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:03:39 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 You should be able to shut off the lines at the compressor and remove the lines and just take out the compressor without losing the system charge (if any is left) I wouldn't trust the PH11 filter as far as I could throw it. Too many collapses causing dead Jeep motors (as well as others) for my liking! I even have the notice somewhere around here from Ford stating that if an engine comes in for warranty with one of those orange things on it, the owner of said vehicle will be SOL as they sent out notice that they were NOT satisfactory for the engines and were the cause of up to 50% of the engine failures due to implosion (the filter can would stay in one piece, but the media would be pumped through the engine or just block off the flow of oil and seize them up) Sometimes people in a rush to change oil will not notice there are 2 filter rings in there (one from the old filter and one from the new) which causes a spray of oil at freeway speeds (if not total failure and all oil escaping) Most recently found that on Brian's '69 IH Travelall when I went to change oil before taking it to my cabin (ran much better and w/o consumption after that, even trailer hauling). Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: PULLING ENGINE V8 > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:31:20 -0600 > > MY A/c compressor clutch is making tons of noise so i took off the belt > however i guess i will go with leave it in the engine bay. I was thinking > down the road getting a new compressor anyway.. > > On another note... > > I changed my oil from 15w 40w to 20w 50w and it seams to be using much > less... i drove like 60 miles with exactly 5 qts in a PH 11 filter and for > some reason its still full . I did keep it under 70 mph though, i will wait > for the morning to go check again. I would drive to work and back 16 miles > under 55 mph and it would seam to use a 1/4 of a quart with 15w 40w. I didnt > think 10w more would make that much difference. Oh i am using WALMART brand > oil now since its drinking it like a fish. > > > Thanks for all your help > > > bob > _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:21:38 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? The modern springs have far less carbon in them and will sag faster than old school ones. Plus they don't take into account for teh extra weight of your diesel engine. Most I would do is get a new main leaf all teh way around and keep the rest stock. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:42:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: brent-at-bjsoffroad.com; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? > > no thanx, been there, done that, need new springs... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Add a used main leaf to each pack. That will bring it to stock height with > a OEM feeling ride. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 21:41:48 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: brent-at-bjsoffroad.com; FSJparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: best riding lift? > # > > # > went to the muffler shop on friday... couldn't fit a 3" tailpipe > # > over the rear axle... both front and rear springs are exhibiting > # > a slightly negative arch... :) guess a 6.2 in front and two > # > full tanks of Diesel in the back are more than aged stock springs > # > are up to... > # > > # > already have 3" of body lift... don't want a harsh ride... figure > # > new springs all the way around... 2 to 4" should be plenty... > # > > # > thoughts? recommendations? > # > > # > thanx, > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > there's a solution for every problem; > # > problem is can we afford the solution? > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star > power. > # http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" jim, remember, the PRIME OBJECTIVES: 1) clear the oil pan and exhaust on the axles 2) provide a stock ride or better 3) not have to modify panhard bars or brakes. 4) not spend a day in gravel and mud messing with used parts 5) not looking for elevation, already have 3" of body lift I've done the used spring thing before, it took all day of laying springs all over my driveway, grease and dirt everywhere... when I got all done I barely saw 2" of lift and then it wasn't as planned... it took WAY more time than just installing brand new springs. see, I've done it before... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/J10-poormans-lift/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/poor-man-lift-calculations.html I did this 8 years ago... it's worth it to just buy the ones with the correct spring rate already figured out.. Now, if you want to come over and do it for me, be happy to pay you... :) Otherwise, I'm considering one of these as options: either the 2" or 4". I want a nice ride, to overcome the sag by the weight and age, running 235's, might go to 30x9.5s or even 31x10.5s. most likely will stay with the 235s, the Diesel seems fine with that size and they'll ride just fine... The 2" kit is preferred, no brake work, should get the arch back into things and work fine with the 3" of body lift... http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=524&cid=14 BJ's 2-inch lift springs with u-bolts. This is perfect for someone who wants to put their Full-Size Jeep at the height the factory should put on them. Stock shocks and brakelines will work with this kit. or http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=488&cid=14 BJ's Off-Road Custom 4-inch Suspension System. Our Suspension System is All-Spring with NO BLOCKS! Impress your friends, clear more obstacles, and make your rig look like it SHOULD have from the factory! You'll be amazed at how comfortable the ride is and how much better your off-road performance will be! Fits: 1976-1991 # Models: All # 4 New Leaf Springs (No Blocks) # New Grade 8 U-Bolts and Hardware # Braided Stainless Steel Extended Brakelines With Factory Fittings Included (unless otherwise noted) # Shocks Included (Rancho or Pro Comp -- Rancho Shocks Include Shock Boots) # Very Comfortable, Soft Ride ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:52:35 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" I said replace the main leaf with another NEW one. (keep the old main leaf, but cut the eyes off it) With the added weight you have of the diesel, you won't see much height gain (even less if you put an aftermarket front bumper and winch on) AFAIK, no-one has determined the correct spring rates to go with the diesel powerplant you installed. The Panhard bars need to go away. Don't forget with the body lift you already have stretched the front brake hoses quite a bit unless the brackets were moved to the frame (Chev hoses are longer than Jeep, but the axles are wider too) Couldn't get me to run Rauncho 5000 shocks. I like having my teeth still! I have done several lifts reusing the stock mains and a new leaf added. (after market add a leaf are only good for extreme weight handling) Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:38:55 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: brent-at-bjsoffroad.com; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; FParker24-at-verizon.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" > > jim, > > remember, the PRIME OBJECTIVES: 1) clear the oil pan and exhaust on the axles > 2) provide a stock ride or better > 3) not have to modify panhard bars or brakes. > 4) not spend a day in gravel and mud messing with used parts > 5) not looking for elevation, already have 3" of body lift > > I've done the used spring thing before, it took all day of laying springs all over my driveway, > grease and dirt everywhere... when I got all done I barely saw 2" of lift and > then it wasn't as planned... > > it took WAY more time than just installing brand new springs. > > see, I've done it before... > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/J10-poormans-lift/ALL.html > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/poor-man-lift-calculations.html > > I did this 8 years ago... it's worth it to just buy the ones with > the correct spring rate already figured out.. > > > Now, if you want to come over and do it for me, be happy to pay you... :) > > Otherwise, I'm considering one of these as options: either the 2" or 4". > > I want a nice ride, to overcome the sag by the weight and age, running 235's, > might go to 30x9.5s or even 31x10.5s. most likely will stay with the 235s, the > Diesel seems fine with that size and they'll ride just fine... > > The 2" kit is preferred, no brake work, should get the arch back into things > and work fine with the 3" of body lift... > > http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=524&cid=14 > BJ's 2-inch lift springs with u-bolts. This is perfect for someone who wants to put their Full-Size Jeep at the height the factory should put on them. Stock shocks and brakelines will work with this kit. > > or > > http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=488&cid=14 > BJ's Off-Road Custom 4-inch Suspension System. Our Suspension System is All-Spring with NO BLOCKS! Impress your friends, clear more obstacles, and make your rig look like it SHOULD have from the factory! You'll be amazed at how comfortable the ride is and how much better your off-road performance will be! > Fits: 1976-1991 > # Models: All > # 4 New Leaf Springs (No Blocks) > # New Grade 8 U-Bolts and Hardware > # Braided Stainless Steel Extended Brakelines With Factory Fittings Included (unless otherwise noted) > # Shocks Included (Rancho or Pro Comp -- Rancho Shocks Include Shock Boots) > # Very Comfortable, Soft Ride > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: they've lost their minds... ebay has lost their collective minds... and my business... they sent out a $1 listing fee for ebay motors, great, I'll put the '67 panel back up... then I read the fine print: it used to be $40 to list, another $50 if you sold... or 90 bucks NOW it's $1 to list, and 109.00 in fees for a total of 110 bucks!!! Category Insertion Fee Transaction Services Fee Total Fees* Insertion Fee Transaction Services Fee Total Fees* Cars & Trucks $40.00 $50.00 $90.00 $1.00 $109.00 $110.00 Autotrader is something like $40 to list until you sell... http://mygofast.com/ is FREE. Craigslist is FREE. farewell ebay... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" believe it or not the 6.2L Diesel is not that much more than an AMC V8. Haven't got the specs handy, but the AMC V8s are not light weight engines at all... it might be 150lbs more... not sure... but the back end is sagging equally, with the aux tank and about 15 gallons of Diesel... might be the difference in the engines... of course this wag was sagging before... would have to look at the pictures from before to see if there is increased sag... so, Jim, where does one get a new set of main springs and how much are they? I have a feeling a complete lift kit will be about the same... but surprise me... then I have to rewrap the springs and replace the u-bolts... might not be that bad... especially if you come over and help. ;) but then I still have old bushings and pads... an no, the panhard bars don't need to go away, brake lines were adjusted already. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 10 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # I said replace the main leaf with another NEW one. (keep the old main leaf, but cut the eyes off it) With the added weight you have of the diesel, you won't see much height gain (even less if you put an aftermarket front bumper and winch on) AFAIK, no-one has determined the correct spring rates to go with the diesel powerplant you installed. The Panhard bars need to go away. Don't forget with the body lift you already have stretched the front brake hoses quite a bit unless the brackets were moved to the frame (Chev hoses are longer than Jeep, but the axles are wider too) # # Couldn't get me to run Rauncho 5000 shocks. I like having my teeth still! I have done several lifts reusing the stock mains and a new leaf added. (after market add a leaf are only good for extreme weight handling) # # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # # > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:38:55 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: brent-at-bjsoffroad.com; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; FParker24-at-verizon.net; xj-at-digest.net; fsjparts-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: best riding lift? 2" or 4" # > # > jim, # > # > remember, the PRIME OBJECTIVES: 1) clear the oil pan and exhaust on the axles # > 2) provide a stock ride or better # > 3) not have to modify panhard bars or brakes. # > 4) not spend a day in gravel and mud messing with used parts # > 5) not looking for elevation, already have 3" of body lift # > # > I've done the used spring thing before, it took all day of laying springs all over my driveway, # > grease and dirt everywhere... when I got all done I barely saw 2" of lift and # > then it wasn't as planned... # > # > it took WAY more time than just installing brand new springs. # > # > see, I've done it before... # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/J10-poormans-lift/ALL.html # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/poor-man-lift-calculations.html # > # > I did this 8 years ago... it's worth it to just buy the ones with # > the correct spring rate already figured out.. # > # > # > Now, if you want to come over and do it for me, be happy to pay you... :) # > # > Otherwise, I'm considering one of these as options: either the 2" or 4". # > # > I want a nice ride, to overcome the sag by the weight and age, running 235's, # > might go to 30x9.5s or even 31x10.5s. most likely will stay with the 235s, the # > Diesel seems fine with that size and they'll ride just fine... # > # > The 2" kit is preferred, no brake work, should get the arch back into things # > and work fine with the 3" of body lift... # > # > http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=524&cid=14 # > BJ's 2-inch lift springs with u-bolts. This is perfect for someone who wants to put their Full-Size Jeep at the height the factory should put on them. Stock shocks and brakelines will work with this kit. # > # > or # > # > http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=488&cid=14 # > BJ's Off-Road Custom 4-inch Suspension System. Our Suspension System is All-Spring with NO BLOCKS! Impress your friends, clear more obstacles, and make your rig look like it SHOULD have from the factory! You'll be amazed at how comfortable the ride is and how much better your off-road performance will be! # > Fits: 1976-1991 # > # Models: All # > # 4 New Leaf Springs (No Blocks) # > # New Grade 8 U-Bolts and Hardware # > # Braided Stainless Steel Extended Brakelines With Factory Fittings Included (unless otherwise noted) # > # Shocks Included (Rancho or Pro Comp -- Rancho Shocks Include Shock Boots) # > # Very Comfortable, Soft Ride # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. # http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3007 **************************