From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 13 22:55:22 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, February 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3010 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: panhard bars on the '91 GW? needed? desired? fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:07:24 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: panhard bars on the '91 GW? needed? desired? That's it alright. Difference is the FSJ one is level at stock height. When the vehicle goes up or down within a 6" zone, it isn't noticeable, but go beyond that with a lift and the side to side feel is enough to make me feel seasick on a rough road! Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: panhard bars on the '91 GW? needed? desired? > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:36:07 +0000 > > Ditto, love to race the ricer.... after all this is bullitt city... > > the track bars or panhard rod is not needed.... this is how the 85 is finally > rigged with only the stabilizer bars, not the track bars or panhard rod... the > 74 does not have the stabilizer bars... so there is some excess body roll... > but with good shocks it is acceptable... > > and lets make sure that we are talking about the same piece of hardware > > http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b5/200px-Panhard_rod.jp > g > > cheers > > Michel > > > > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:42:44 -0800 > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > > Subject: RE: fsj: panhard bars on the '91 GW? needed? desired? > > > > I love high speed cornerning... I love watching front wheel > > drive cars understeer off the road while I power through the > > corner in my Jeeps... :) > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > > > # The track bars (aka panhard bars) are a waste of metal and time unless > you > > plan high speed cornering (especially towing). These rigs ran fine with just > a > > front swaybar from day 1. I've driven 2 with the bar still in place (with > worn > > shocks) and the side to side bounce and that clunk (on gravel roads) was > > REALLY annoying! If your lift only takes you to stock height, then it'll be > > okay to keep them (till the clunk drives you crazy...er) Going higher > causes > > them to follow the arc which results in the side to side bumps. > > # > > # > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:09:48 -0800 > > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > # > To: > > # > Subject: fsj: panhard bars on the '91 GW? needed? desired? > > # > > > # > I've put a 6.2L Diesel in my '91 Grand Wagoneer... as expected seeing > > # > a bit of spring sag... already has a 3" body lift so it sits > properly, > > # > don't need more elevation, just a bit more spring lift and clearance > for > > # > the oil pan and tail pipe. :) (see pix linked below) > > # > > > # > I am wondering if I should maintain the factory track bars(panhard > > bars). > > # > I think they first showed up in '86 or so... > > # > > > # > I'm planning on going with the 2" lift with all new springs from > > bjsoffroad. > > # > They are supposed to ride nicely... initially most see 3" of lift, but > > with > > # > the added weight of the 6.2L Diesel and an auxillary fuel tank I'll be > > happy > > # > with a stock height. :) > > # > > > # > QUESTION: > > # > Do I need to keep the panhard bars? > > # > What are the advantages of having them? > > # > Improved ride? handling? > > # > Any downsides to removing them? After all the SJs didn't have > > # > them from 1962 through 1985 or so... :) > > # > > > # > I doubt that the 2" lift will affect them much, if at all... > > # > the GW currently has 3" of body lift. If I need to spend money > > # > on brackets to extend the track bars I may elminate them... all they > > # > will eventually do is start rattling when the bushings where out. > It's > > # > not like I'll experience the wobble-o-death common to XJs when they go > > bad. > > # > > > # > > > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/4_exhaust_8feb08/ALL.html > > # > > > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/5_omega_9feb08/ALL.html > > # > > > # > yes, it does run, not very well right now though: (large file 71M) > > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/5_omega_9feb08/Omega-6.2L-9Feb2008.MOV > > # > > > # > john > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > # > > # _________________________________________________________________ > > # Climb to the top of the charts! 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I wonder why that is?... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kevin wrote: # Unfortunately, this isn't something that will make a jeep owner flinch. # Once you've owned a vehicle whose gauges are for amusement purposes only, # your first guess for low oil pressure out of the blue is the sender or the # gauge. Especially if you can't hear your hydraulic valve train making noise. # # So, on one of the full size jeeps, I hooked up a mechanical autometer gauge to # see just how low my oil pressure was. It was on the upper end of spec, no # problems at all, which was good, I didn't feel like rebuilding a 401... # # Until I drove over a pothole, causing the precariously ran nylon line to jump # off its perch and land on an exhaust manifold. # # Then both gauges read low as smoke started billowing out from under the hood. # # OOPS. # # that oil leak wasn't the jeep's fault :) # # sad thing about jeeps is I actually keep a spare jeep oil pressure sender # on the shelf in the garage... # # On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:18:31PM -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: # > So that was my fun for the week, thank you very much. Driving home with low # > oil pressure readings for unknown reasons is definitely exciting, but I'm # > really not sure I'd care to do it again. Ever. # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3010 **************************