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fsj-digest         Friday, February 15 2008         Volume 01 : Number 3011



Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:

	RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor
	RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying  oil pressure sensor
	RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying   oil pressure sensor
	fsj: Re: [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:57:17 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor

I never liked those nylon lines running across the engine bay, under the
dash....

Many years ago.... while being driven in a fiat... or autobianchi.... on a
rainy day... i felt something dripping on my shoes, move my feet.... another
leaky windshield.... nope... leaky oil pressure line....

In fact the mercedes has a mechanical gauge... and they do not seem to leak...
need to check the material used.

Michel

> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:54:32 -0800
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net
> CC: benzaholic-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil
pressure sensor
>
> only one spare? :)
>
> I have literally used chewing gum, toilet paper, duct tape
> and bailing wire... on my full size jeeps...  but not on my mercedes...
>
> I wonder why that is?... :)
>
>     -----
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
>   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kevin wrote:
>
>  # Unfortunately, this isn't something that will make a jeep owner flinch.
>  # Once you've owned a vehicle whose gauges are for amusement purposes
only,
>  # your first guess for low oil pressure out of the blue is the sender or
the
>  # gauge. Especially if you can't hear your hydraulic valve train making
noise.
>  #
>  # So, on one of the full size jeeps, I hooked up a mechanical autometer
gauge to
>  # see just how low my oil pressure was. It was on the upper end of spec, no
>  # problems at all, which was good, I didn't feel like rebuilding a 401...
>  #
>  # Until I drove over a pothole, causing the precariously ran nylon line to
jump
>  # off its perch and land on an exhaust manifold.
>  #
>  # Then both gauges read low as smoke started billowing out from under the
hood.
>  #
>  # OOPS.
>  #
>  # that oil leak wasn't the jeep's fault :)
>  #
>  # sad thing about jeeps is I actually keep a spare jeep oil pressure
sender
>  # on the shelf in the garage...
>  #
>  # On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:18:31PM -0600, Alec Cordova wrote:
>  # > So that was my fun for the week, thank you very much.  Driving home
with low
>  # > oil pressure readings for unknown reasons is definitely exciting, but
I'm
>  # > really not sure I'd care to do it again. Ever.
>  #

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:39:07 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying  oil pressure sensor

actually I've had more than one 123 series mercedes that had the dashboard oiled... :)

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 Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
  http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------


On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, michel balea wrote:

 # I never liked those nylon lines running across the engine bay, under the
 # dash....
 # 
 # Many years ago.... while being driven in a fiat... or autobianchi.... on a
 # rainy day... i felt something dripping on my shoes, move my feet.... another
 # leaky windshield.... nope... leaky oil pressure line....
 # 
 # In fact the mercedes has a mechanical gauge... and they do not seem to leak...
 # need to check the material used.
 # 
 # Michel
 # 
 # > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:54:32 -0800
 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
 # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net
 # > CC: benzaholic-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
 # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil
 # pressure sensor
 # >
 # > only one spare? :)
 # >
 # > I have literally used chewing gum, toilet paper, duct tape
 # > and bailing wire... on my full size jeeps...  but not on my mercedes...
 # >
 # > I wonder why that is?... :)
 # >
 # >     -----
 # > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 # >  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
 # >   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
 # > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 # >
 # >
 # > On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Kevin wrote:
 # >
 # >  # Unfortunately, this isn't something that will make a jeep owner flinch.
 # >  # Once you've owned a vehicle whose gauges are for amusement purposes
 # only,
 # >  # your first guess for low oil pressure out of the blue is the sender or
 # the
 # >  # gauge. Especially if you can't hear your hydraulic valve train making
 # noise.
 # >  #
 # >  # So, on one of the full size jeeps, I hooked up a mechanical autometer
 # gauge to
 # >  # see just how low my oil pressure was. It was on the upper end of spec, no
 # >  # problems at all, which was good, I didn't feel like rebuilding a 401...
 # >  #
 # >  # Until I drove over a pothole, causing the precariously ran nylon line to
 # jump
 # >  # off its perch and land on an exhaust manifold.
 # >  #
 # >  # Then both gauges read low as smoke started billowing out from under the
 # hood.
 # >  #
 # >  # OOPS.
 # >  #
 # >  # that oil leak wasn't the jeep's fault :)
 # >  #
 # >  # sad thing about jeeps is I actually keep a spare jeep oil pressure
 # sender
 # >  # on the shelf in the garage...
 # >  #
 # >  # On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:18:31PM -0600, Alec Cordova wrote:
 # >  # > So that was my fun for the week, thank you very much.  Driving home
 # with low
 # >  # > oil pressure readings for unknown reasons is definitely exciting, but
 # I'm
 # >  # > really not sure I'd care to do it again. Ever.
 # >  #
 # 
 # _________________________________________________________________
 # Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give.
 # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join
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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:10:23 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying   oil pressure sensor

I guess i will keep an eye on the GF merc..... we do not want stained
shoes....

Michel
74wag


> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:28:27 -0800
> Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying   oil
pressure sensor
> From: jerry-at-tr2.com
> To: john-at-wagoneers.com
> CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; benzaholic-at-gmail.com;
fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
>
> > actually I've had more than one 123 series mercedes that had the
dashboard
> > oiled... :)
>
> *** Isn't that just part of routine maintenance? :)
>
>                             - Jerry Kaidor
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:48:48 -0800 (PST)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly

long live Rudolf Christian Diesel... well, at least his most excellent idea. :)
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote:

 # Thought this might interest some people...
 # 
 # http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/feb08/5968
 # 
 # Jim
 # 
 # 
 # --
 # '99 Dodge RAM 2500 4X4 Cummins Turbo Diesel
 # '94 Ford F-350 4X4 IDI Turbo Diesel
 # 

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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:15:01 +0000
From: Richard Welty <rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com>
Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list

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