From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Mar 20 01:04:22 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, March 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3033 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? fsj: nice Diesel setup RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? RE: fsj: nice Diesel setup FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? the absurdity and junk science is now costing us money... exactly WHAT do they intend to do use this tax for? this is not proven science and we've seen this "chicken little" approach to this topic toggle from the coming ice age to global warming and back, and back again... 150 years of meterological data out of whatever your view of how old the planet is, does not really have any significance. we simply do NOT know. Anyone that claims to know must be ready to complete explain their assumptions and validate that their data is not merely extrapolation based upon another assumption. Considering that we inhabit about 2% of the arrable land on the planet it seems quite strange that we would make as much impact globally as some would like to believe. Within our urban and industrial areas we most certainly have dirtied our nest, but globally? I don't think we have enough resources. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > To: lp-gas-at-yahoogroups.com # > From: saveplanet60-at-yahoo.com # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:43 +0000 # > Subject: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? # > # > Oil industry leaders called for a national carbon tax on consumers # > Monday to help pay for building new greenhouse-gas disposal systems. The # > levy would put the burden where it belongs - on fossil-fuel users that # > cause the most emissions, said Nexen Energy president Charlie Fischer # > and Enbridge president Pat Daniel. "Our industry is prepared to do its # > share," Fischer said as environmental obstacles to oilsands development # > took centre stage at the 2008 World Heavy Oil Congress in Edmonton. # > # > For more information please follow This Link! # > # > # > # > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # > # > # > ------------------------------------ # > # > Always include your vehicle details and system type when asking for help, # and please trim your replies to context. # > # > To unsubscribe send email to:lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > Yahoo! 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I always started out with German, figuring Americans were not as well liked. Turns out they don't like anyone, especially Germans or Americans. :) All three countries have pronounced arrogance in their genetic code, so this is an understandable situation. :) What was amazing to me on my last trip to Europe was the amount of English spoken openly... I'd been to Amsterdam many times before and while finding someone who spoke English was quite easy, it wasn't openly used. Dutch or German were more prevelant in the '70s. I wouldn't mind going back... might visit the British Isles this time... need to find cheap air travel and a cheap rental car... then find cheap places to stay... then I need to come up with the money. ;) There were a number of advantags of living in europe as part of the military. I had a local base of operations, gas rations, military bases for shopping, etc. If something went horribly wrong we'd just pull into a base and have access to all of the services we needed... the other big issue is the weakness of the dollar... :( We could rent a nice economical Diesel and drive... would love to see some of the cities in what was East Germany, Berlin, Wittenburg, and then down to see Prague, and then down to Firenza... I wonder if we could fly in to Ireland, get a Diesel (LHD) and drive down to the Chunnel, over across France to Berlin, down to Wittenburg, over to Prague, then down into Italy by way of Interlaken. ;) when I get some time I'll have to map out the costs and distances... that trip could easily be done in two weeks... wonder if we could fly home from Rome then? so much to see, so much to do... so little money. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # ah, I get ya now, yeah, always a mistake to start a conversation in anything # other than French, a bit more leniency on their part might work ;-) # Steve # # # On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 4:57 PM, john wrote: # # > I guess it can be summed up in this... # > # > the french are worse than americans when it comes to things # > like language... # > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:26:59 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? They have learned from the french... tax, taxes and tax more.... to provice $$ for special interests.... We also need to pay for the $1trillion Ir-at-k war.... or should Ir-at-k pay for it w some Ir-at-k crude oil... which is what the w-at-r was all about.... Let's tax the cows as well, they are big greenhouse emitter$..... May be someone need to create a f-at-rtometer (multiple devices, for every mammals on the planet).... could not resist.... Oh i forgot we need to tax water... it takes a lot of water to produce meat...and even more to produce electricity to recharge the prius and other hybrid batteries (either hydroelectric or for cooling the fossil fuel burning plant, or nuclear plants.... cheers Michel > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:13:15 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? > > the absurdity and junk science is now costing us money... > > exactly WHAT do they intend to do use this tax for? > > this is not proven science and we've seen this "chicken little" approach > to this topic toggle from the coming ice age to global warming and back, > and back again... > > 150 years of meterological data out of whatever your view of how old > the planet is, does not really have any significance. we simply > do NOT know. Anyone that claims to know must be ready to complete > explain their assumptions and validate that their data is not merely > extrapolation based upon another assumption. > > Considering that we inhabit about 2% of the arrable land on the planet > it seems quite strange that we would make as much impact globally as > some would like to believe. Within our urban and industrial areas > we most certainly have dirtied our nest, but globally? I don't think > we have enough resources. > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > To: lp-gas-at-yahoogroups.com > # > From: saveplanet60-at-yahoo.com > # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:43 +0000 > # > Subject: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? > # > > # > Oil industry leaders called for a national carbon tax on consumers > # > Monday to help pay for building new greenhouse-gas disposal systems. The > # > levy would put the burden where it belongs - on fossil-fuel users that > # > cause the most emissions, said Nexen Energy president Charlie Fischer > # > and Enbridge president Pat Daniel. "Our industry is prepared to do its > # > share," Fischer said as environmental obstacles to oilsands development > # > took centre stage at the 2008 World Heavy Oil Congress in Edmonton. > # > > # > For more information please follow This Link! > # > > # > > # > > # > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > # > > # > > # > ------------------------------------ > # > > # > Always include your vehicle details and system type when asking for help, > # and please trim your replies to context. > # > > # > To unsubscribe send email to:lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com > # > > # > Yahoo! Groups Links > # > > # > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > # > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lp-gas/ > # > > # > <*> Your email settings: > # > Individual Email | Traditional > # > > # > <*> To change settings online go to: > # > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lp-gas/join > # > (Yahoo! ID required) > # > > # > <*> To change settings via email: > # > mailto:lp-gas-digest-at-yahoogroups.com > # > mailto:lp-gas-fullfeatured-at-yahoogroups.com > # > > # > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > # > lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com > # > > # > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > # > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > # > > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > # _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? prepare the spaceships, we should just leave this planet to make the enviro-whackos happy... :) that's what they're really after... they think we are just an evolved plague upon this planet... it's amazing what they believe. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, michel balea wrote: # # # They have learned from the french... tax, taxes and tax more.... to provice $$ for special interests.... # # We also need to pay for the $1trillion Ir-at-k war.... or should Ir-at-k pay for it w some Ir-at-k crude oil... which is what the w-at-r was all about.... # # Let's tax the cows as well, they are big greenhouse emitter$..... May be someone need to create a f-at-rtometer (multiple devices, for every mammals on the planet).... could not resist.... # # Oh i forgot we need to tax water... it takes a lot of water to produce meat...and even more to produce electricity to recharge the prius and other hybrid batteries (either hydroelectric or for cooling the fossil fuel burning plant, or nuclear plants.... # # cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:13:15 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? # > # > the absurdity and junk science is now costing us money... # > # > exactly WHAT do they intend to do use this tax for? # > # > this is not proven science and we've seen this "chicken little" approach # > to this topic toggle from the coming ice age to global warming and back, # > and back again... # > # > 150 years of meterological data out of whatever your view of how old # > the planet is, does not really have any significance. we simply # > do NOT know. Anyone that claims to know must be ready to complete # > explain their assumptions and validate that their data is not merely # > extrapolation based upon another assumption. # > # > Considering that we inhabit about 2% of the arrable land on the planet # > it seems quite strange that we would make as much impact globally as # > some would like to believe. Within our urban and industrial areas # > we most certainly have dirtied our nest, but globally? I don't think # > we have enough resources. # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # > To: lp-gas-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > From: saveplanet60-at-yahoo.com # > # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:43 +0000 # > # > Subject: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? # > # > # > # > Oil industry leaders called for a national carbon tax on consumers # > # > Monday to help pay for building new greenhouse-gas disposal systems. The # > # > levy would put the burden where it belongs - on fossil-fuel users that # > # > cause the most emissions, said Nexen Energy president Charlie Fischer # > # > and Enbridge president Pat Daniel. "Our industry is prepared to do its # > # > share," Fischer said as environmental obstacles to oilsands development # > # > took centre stage at the 2008 World Heavy Oil Congress in Edmonton. # > # > # > # > For more information please follow This Link! # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # > # > # > # > # > # > ------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > Always include your vehicle details and system type when asking for help, # > # and please trim your replies to context. # > # > # > # > To unsubscribe send email to:lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > # > # > Yahoo! Groups Links # > # > # > # > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: # > # > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lp-gas/ # > # > # > # > <*> Your email settings: # > # > Individual Email | Traditional # > # > # > # > <*> To change settings online go to: # > # > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lp-gas/join # > # > (Yahoo! ID required) # > # > # > # > <*> To change settings via email: # > # > mailto:lp-gas-digest-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > mailto:lp-gas-fullfeatured-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > # > # > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: # > # > lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com # > # > # > # > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: # > # > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ # > # > # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. # > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:51:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: nice Diesel setup can't tell where this is at in Europe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8q4KPP3N2U ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:57:11 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? Don't go to Saturn or you'll get blamed for what's happening there! http://news.aol.com/story/_a/saturns-rings-are-vanishing-again/20080319162009 990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:24:47 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? > > prepare the spaceships, we should just leave this planet > to make the enviro-whackos happy... :) that's what they're > really after... they think we are just an evolved plague upon > this planet... it's amazing what they believe. > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, michel balea wrote: > > # > # > # They have learned from the french... tax, taxes and tax more.... to provice > $$ for special interests.... > # > # We also need to pay for the $1trillion Ir-at-k war.... or should Ir-at-k pay for > it w some Ir-at-k crude oil... which is what the w-at-r was all about.... > # > # Let's tax the cows as well, they are big greenhouse emitter$..... May be > someone need to create a f-at-rtometer (multiple devices, for every mammals on > the planet).... could not resist.... > # > # Oh i forgot we need to tax water... it takes a lot of water to produce > meat...and even more to produce electricity to recharge the prius and other > hybrid batteries (either hydroelectric or for cooling the fossil fuel burning > plant, or nuclear plants.... > # > # cheers > # > # Michel > # > # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:13:15 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: FW: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? > # > > # > the absurdity and junk science is now costing us money... > # > > # > exactly WHAT do they intend to do use this tax for? > # > > # > this is not proven science and we've seen this "chicken little" approach > # > to this topic toggle from the coming ice age to global warming and back, > # > and back again... > # > > # > 150 years of meterological data out of whatever your view of how old > # > the planet is, does not really have any significance. we simply > # > do NOT know. Anyone that claims to know must be ready to complete > # > explain their assumptions and validate that their data is not merely > # > extrapolation based upon another assumption. > # > > # > Considering that we inhabit about 2% of the arrable land on the planet > # > it seems quite strange that we would make as much impact globally as > # > some would like to believe. Within our urban and industrial areas > # > we most certainly have dirtied our nest, but globally? I don't think > # > we have enough resources. > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > # > To: lp-gas-at-yahoogroups.com > # > # > From: saveplanet60-at-yahoo.com > # > # > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:23:43 +0000 > # > # > Subject: [lp-gas] Who should pay for greenhouse gas? > # > # > > # > # > Oil industry leaders called for a national carbon tax on consumers > # > # > Monday to help pay for building new greenhouse-gas disposal systems. > The > # > # > levy would put the burden where it belongs - on fossil-fuel users > that > # > # > cause the most emissions, said Nexen Energy president Charlie > Fischer > # > # > and Enbridge president Pat Daniel. "Our industry is prepared to do > its > # > # > share," Fischer said as environmental obstacles to oilsands > development > # > # > took centre stage at the 2008 World Heavy Oil Congress in Edmonton. > # > # > > # > # > For more information please follow This Link! > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > ------------------------------------ > # > # > > # > # > Always include your vehicle details and system type when asking for > help, > # > # and please trim your replies to context. > # > # > > # > # > To unsubscribe send email to:lp-gas-unsubscribe-at-yahoogroups.com > # > # > > # > # > Yahoo! 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You IM, > we give. > # > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your > "fix". > # http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:57:57 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: nice Diesel setup Germany, a diesel off a DAF truck... flat countryside... northern area.... Clean, no trash around.... Michel > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:51:26 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: nice Diesel setup > > can't tell where this is at in Europe... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8q4KPP3N2U > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3033 **************************