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fsj-digest Tuesday, April 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3040
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:
fsj: Re: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
fsj: GM Diesels in the early 80s
fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #3039
fsj: the good stuff...
fsj: Re: [db] non-MB Diesel Hydraulic lifter question...
RE: fsj: Re: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
fsj: in the shop... Re: xj: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
fsj: Re: [db] GM Diesels in the early 80s
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
anyone on the FSJ or DieselBenz list nearby?
a fellow lister's kid is stuck up near Sacramento... almost to his destination...
see below
john
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, hccarter-at-comcast.net wrote:
# Hey all -
#
# Occasional participant/longtime lurker here!
#
# My son just inherited our 1997 XJ.
# He is on his way to the Santa Clara/San Jose area.
#
# Just got a call from him (Sun 3-30 11PM) and the XJ broke down - BUMMER!
#
# Sounds liike the alternator went out or something.
# Charge guage was reading 0 and he drove it until everything died.
#
# He is stuck on the highway 505 cutoff between I-5 and 80.
# West of Sacramento 20 miles or so.
# Close to the highway 16 exit that runs east into Woodland toward the Sacramento airport.
#
# Anyone close? or any suggestions or ideas for towing assistance , etc.
# To get him off the road.
#
# No AAA or anything and of course it is late Sunday night and he starts a new internship/job tomorrow!
#
# Any help or ideas are appreciated!
#
# Thanks - Howard
# 425-577-0672
# = = =
#
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:22:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: GM Diesels in the early 80s
Here's what I could find on Wikipedia... No specific dates, will have to
contact
a friend who ran a chevy dealer to see if he remembers the specific dates...
john
from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GM_engines
Diesel
In the face of the 1970s 'gas crisis', GM turned to Diesel power for economic
benefit, directing the Oldsmobile division to develop a V6 and two V8 engines,
to be shared with all divisions.
These Diesel engines were designed to fit into the engine bays of gasoline
powered automobiles, but despite popular belief, they were not "converted"
gasoline engines. Oldsmobile's diesel engines, the 5.7 L LF9 and 4.3 L LF7 V8s
and 4.3 L LT6/LT7/LS2 V6, were notoriously unreliable, particularly in the
earliest versions, though reliability had improved by the early 1980s with the
advent of the DX block, along with better fuel filtering and water separators.
By the early 80's,the 5.7L diesel was a fairly reliable engine with the
introduction of the rollerized camshaft/roller lifter combination and had many
improved enhancements that the late 70's 5.7L diesel engines did not have.
Many of the reliability issues these engines developed were a combination of
faults not just related to design. Many of these engines suffered major
malfunctions from poor quality fuel, mechanics not properly trained in diesel
repair, and even improper owner service and maintenance. Although over one
million were sold between 1978 and 1985, the failure rate of GM's engines
ruined the reputation of Diesel engines not just built by GM, but overall in
the United States market. Eventually, a class action lawsuit resulted in an
arbitration system under the supervision of the Federal Trade Commission where
consumers could claim 80% of the original cost of the engine in the event of a
failure.
The Oldsmobile 5.7 liter engines experienced a wide gamut of malfunctions. One
of the common failures was with crankshaft bearings. This was frequently
attributed to owners and maintainers running the engines on SG rated oil
(intended for gasoline engines), versus CD oil (intended for Diesel engines).
This prompted GM to introduce the DX block which then allowed extended oil
change intervals to 5,000 miles (8,000 km). D block engines required frequent
oil change intervals because of the friction created between the typical flat
tappet camshaft and hydraulic lifters. When the oil change interval was
ignored,excessive wear was placed upon the camshaft and lifters. In 1981 when
the DX block was introduced, the rollerized camshaft and roller lifters did
away with any possibility of worn camshaft lobes because of reduced friction.
These engines also suffered from blown head gaskets, warped heads, bad
injector pumps, and bad injectors. The beginnings of these problems can be
attributed to poor quality diesel fuel that may have contained water or other
contaminants. These materials would damage the inside of the injector pump,
and then eventually clog injectors. If water was injected into the engine, it
could cause a "hydrolock" which would blow head gaskets and bend valves
because water is virtually incompressible. This was the reason GM equipped
later cars with water detectors and double filtration systems on their
vehicles.
When a hapless owner took the vehicle in for repair, the mechanic would
resurface the head, making it thinner, install a new head gasket, and then
reuse the old, stretched-out fasteners. It would not be but a few thousand
miles, and the vehicle was in the shop again for head gasket failure or a
warped head. Nowadays high performance head bolt kits are available to do away
with the problems the 5.7L diesel engines had such as the blown head gasket
fiasco. Performance bolt fasteners when used within the 5.7L diesel will then
make it a bulletproof, reliable design. The frustrated owner would frequently
just get the shop to convert the engine to gasoline after a few repeated
failures like this. As a side note, these diesel engine blocks were frequently
sought by hot-rodders to build high-performance gasoline engines because of
their extra heavy duty components which would withstand extreme horsepower.
In the 1980s and 1990s GM produced the 6.2 L and 6.5 liter V8 Diesels for use
in light trucks and in the HMMWV.
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Alec Cordova wrote:
# Unless GM used a different diesel outside the US, that's not a
# particularly fine example of an engine. The 350 cubic inch V* diesel
# they sold in the states is the engine many of us blame for the poor
# reputation of all diesel engines with the general US public.
#
# I don't know what mileage to expect, I just wanted to mention that
# this is not a US engine that US car folks are proud of. ;-)
#
# Alec Cordova
# Taylor, Texas
# 89 300CE, 234K, still for sale
# 08 smart fortwo, 800 miles
#
# On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
# <renaud-at-olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:
# > Local friend asks me for help, as he has in sight a 1982 Chevrolet
Caprice
# > Diesel V8 auto, but would like to hear from a reliable source (=not the
# > seller) what kind of mpg to expect.
# >
# > Anyone here would have an idea ?
# >
# > Cheers,
# >
# > Ron.
# > --
# > Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord is ein starkes Trostmittel:
# > Mit ihm kommt man gut C<ber manche bC6se Nacht hinweg.
# > -- Friedrich Nietsche
# >
# > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
#
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:46:57 EDT
From: Moontanman-at-aol.com
Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #3039
Amsoil? That is a brand that evidently isn't available here on the east
coast where I live. No one even recognizes the brand.
Michael Hissom
aurea mediocritas
**************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
Home.
(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: the good stuff...
I've been a dealer since 1982, it's nationwide... not a lot of
retail outlets though, mostly dealers. you can buy on line from
my website or via a toll free number, either way would appreciate
it if you used customer number 283461. :)
http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL/
or
http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461
dial 1-800-956-5695, CUSTOMER NUMBER is 283461
john
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote:
# Amsoil? That is a brand that evidently isn't available here on the east
# coast where I live. No one even recognizes the brand.
#
#
# Michael Hissom
# aurea mediocritas
#
#
#
#
# **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
# Home.
# (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
#
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:00:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] non-MB Diesel Hydraulic lifter question...
does each cyliner have it's own head???
john
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote:
# So... the 2.5TD XJ saga continues (I'm really making a meal out of this
# project.. ).. I've removed the heads (after having to take an impact wrench
# to the injectors!), so any ideas on how to remove the lifters? Is it just a
# matter of putting a circlip pliers in there and pulling them out? Or is
# there another method? I need some encouragement here heheh
#
# Steve
#
# P.S. looks a bit sooty :
# http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00959.JPG
# http://srigley.powweb.com/members/Steve/pics/jeep/DSC00972.JPG
#
# P.P.S. Where do I sign up for the XJ list? I thought I was on it..
#
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:11:37 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
Bummer, too late for reply, and i am out of N cal at the moment.
We could try to setup some private database for assistance.
I had it in the pipeline as a list of parts store along traveled route, for
the easy stuff, and more specialized stores for the big stuff (axles).
With our riggs, the easy stuff is the AAA premium membership (100miles towing:
$70ish)
Michel
> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:05:40 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: hccarter-at-comcast.net
> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com;
kenall-at-comcast.net; cyberwes-at-qwestoffice.net; xj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: Re: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
>
> anyone on the FSJ or DieselBenz list nearby?
>
> a fellow lister's kid is stuck up near Sacramento... almost to his
destination...
>
> see below
>
> john
>
> -----
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> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, hccarter-at-comcast.net wrote:
>
> # Hey all -
> #
> # Occasional participant/longtime lurker here!
> #
> # My son just inherited our 1997 XJ.
> # He is on his way to the Santa Clara/San Jose area.
> #
> # Just got a call from him (Sun 3-30 11PM) and the XJ broke down - BUMMER!
> #
> # Sounds liike the alternator went out or something.
> # Charge guage was reading 0 and he drove it until everything died.
> #
> # He is stuck on the highway 505 cutoff between I-5 and 80.
> # West of Sacramento 20 miles or so.
> # Close to the highway 16 exit that runs east into Woodland toward the
Sacramento airport.
> #
> # Anyone close? or any suggestions or ideas for towing assistance , etc.
> # To get him off the road.
> #
> # No AAA or anything and of course it is late Sunday night and he starts a
new internship/job tomorrow!
> #
> # Any help or ideas are appreciated!
> #
> # Thanks - Howard
> # 425-577-0672
> # = = =
> #
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: in the shop... Re: xj: Minor Emergency! XJ Down in N California!
glad things are working out.
john
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, hccarter-at-comcast.net wrote:
# Wow - Almost! - yeah - he got it towed to Woodland (10 mi east) & is trying to find a place get it fixed now - thanks! ~Howard
#
# -------------- Original message ----------------------
# From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
# > Wish I had seen this earlier, was on 505 yesterday. Didn't see an XJ there
# > this morning, so I guess everything got taken care of.
# >
# > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 06:11:43AM +0000, hccarter-at-comcast.net wrote:
# > > Hey all -
# > >
# > > Occasional participant/longtime lurker here!
# > >
# > > My son just inherited our 1997 XJ.
# > > He is on his way to the Santa Clara/San Jose area.
# > >
# > > Just got a call from him (Sun 3-30 11PM) and the XJ broke down - BUMMER!
# > >
# > > Sounds liike the alternator went out or something.
# > > Charge guage was reading 0 and he drove it until everything died.
# > >
# > > He is stuck on the highway 505 cutoff between I-5 and 80.
# > > West of Sacramento 20 miles or so.
# > > Close to the highway 16 exit that runs east into Woodland toward the
# > Sacramento airport.
# > >
# > > Anyone close? or any suggestions or ideas for towing assistance , etc.
# > > To get him off the road.
# > >
# > > No AAA or anything and of course it is late Sunday night and he starts a new
# > internship/job tomorrow!
# > >
# > > Any help or ideas are appreciated!
# > >
# > > Thanks - Howard
# > > 425-577-0672
# > > = = =
#
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] GM Diesels in the early 80s
no, it was the Rocket 350, the Oldsmobile engine, that was used from
everything I heard at the time and have read on this.
in '81 they redesigned the engine for increased headbolt strenght,
increased webbing by the crank journals, improved the oil gaskets
and added the roller lifter cam setup. so by '82 they had worked
out the biggest problems.
my 5.7's were '79 and '80... both replaced with targetmasters, which
was the '82 engine model.
the next generation Diesel was the 6.2, made by Detroit Diesel, a
division of GM, also own VM Motors! the 6.5 was an improvement
and added the turbo. the nice thing about a 6.5 is that one could
use the 6.2l Injection pump... problems with the 6.5 included electronics
overheating for the injection pump, relocation of the electronic module
solved that issue.
the 6.6 duramax is an isuzu engine, as far as I know not interchangeable
with the 6.5.
my long term plans are to look at fitting a 6.5 in my '91 GW if my 6.2 ever
dies... (of course I have to get it running first. ;)
john
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jon Filina wrote:
# I think I read that the Chevy 350 diesel engine, using the gasser block, was
# actually used in power generators before it was modified to use in automotive
# applications. That engine was designed to run for long periods at a time at
# low rpms. Obviously, that doesn't happen when it is used as the powerplant
# for a Cutlass...
#
# Did the DuraMax diesel replace it? I understand that engine was designed by
# Isuzu.
#
# I may be wrong and all of the above might be purely exhaust blowby... ;-)
#
# Jon
#
# John wrote:
# > yeah, I'm wondering about that line as well... they based
# > this thing off the Rocket 350 engine... whether it was a new
# > block or mods we may never know for sure... :)
# >
# > john
# >
# > -----
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# > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
# > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# >
# >
# > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote:
# >
# > # "but despite popular belief, they were not "converted"
# > # gasoline engines."
# > #
# > # Hmmmmm.... Seems I recall that you could see a
# > # "plate"
# > # covering the whole where the distributor would have
# > # been if it had been a gas engine... Anyone else
# > # recall anything similar? Maybe I had inadvertently
# > # gotten some kind of hallucinogenic... ;)
# > #
# > # Jim
# >
#
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:15:01 +0000
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