From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 8 15:51:19 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, April 8 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3045 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: driver's side leaf spring RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring RE: fsj: Emergancy Drive Vacuum Lines fsj: Moab RE: fsj: Emergancy Drive Vacuum Lines RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring fsj: the Omega project fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer fsj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: driver's side leaf spring need to replace the driver's rear leaf spring. the fuel tank skid plate is in the way... however, looking at the parts catalog it seems that the nut behind the front bolt is clipped inside. The '91 GW is rust free and have not had problems with rusted bolts so my question is, will I need to drop the skid plate? http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-fuel-tank-skid-plate.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-rear-leaf-spring.jpg ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:48:23 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen it.... consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55.... You can use my favorite spray for rusted or seized nuts... it is not pb blaster, but Freeze-off at kragen or autozone $$$ but it has worked better than pb blaster, or knock-er loose or kroil on exhaust manifold bolts, in fact any exhaust nuts or bolts will let go... spray for 5 to 20 seconds depending on the degree of stubborness. The spray will actually chill the metal.... it did not show any temp decrease when i measured it w an infrared thermometer.... but it has worked again today to loosen the nuts at the donut.... Michel 74 wag > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:28:41 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: inisadow-at-hotmail.com > Subject: fsj: driver's side leaf spring > > need to replace the driver's rear leaf spring. > > the fuel tank skid plate is in the way... however, looking at the parts catalog > it seems that the nut behind the front bolt is clipped inside. The '91 GW > is rust free and have not had problems with rusted bolts so my question is, > will I need to drop the skid plate? > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-fuel-tank-skid-plate.jpg > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-rear-leaf-spring.jpg > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:51:20 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Emergancy Drive Vacuum Lines If i remember 78 ish has x metal lines after the firewall grommet to the top of the TC. 74 is all rubber lines, go to your favorite parts store and get the right size rubber hose, if you want all metal... yepppp a trip to the recycling yard Michel 74 wag > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:28:55 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > CC: brent-at-bjsoffroad.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Emergancy Drive Vacuum Lines > > doesn't BJsOffroad sell these? > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 5 Apr 2008, Zee Man wrote: > > # Has anyone replaced these?,,, Mine are badly wore out... and i am assuming its > # all one piece from the back of the switch in the glove box to where they hook > # up in the engine compartment... I am assuming the lines cant not be taken off > # the firewall grommet... am i stuck looking through junkyards, can i get it > # aftermarket or NOS from the dealer? > # > # > # Bob > # > # > # 78 cherokee Chief quadra trac > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. > # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ > # getintouch_042008 > # _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:58:19 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: fsj: Moab So far, the wagoneer has been cooperating in the last needed repairs.... 1) rear axle bearing is not noisy 2) pumpkin seal seems to be holding oil 3) front main oil seal.... redone w a speedi sleeve... so it will work for the next 2000 miles 4) some exhaust leaks were 2 weeks ago and today while checking the big dent on the cross-over there was a big crack. 5) need to figure out if it is worth the gas money to go..... Over $4/gal.... it was a no no Michel 74wag _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:55:34 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Emergancy Drive Vacuum Lines I use steel brake line with a piece of rubber at each end or the hard plastic lines like XJs use (as long as they don't get near heat!) Got the harness 3/4 swapped out in my MJ today so it will probably be back to daily driver status next week. Been tweaking the '82 Spirit too. Seems like a new fuel tank is in the cards for it (along with an EFI fuel pump and harness swap along with the AW4 from a 2wd XJ) Fuel economy seems to have shot up since just last night when I took the carb apart and cleaned it AGAIN! The rust keeps accumulating in it causing it to suddenly shut off. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring must be a Wednesday jeep... :) nut was fine... that this jeep has absolutely no rust makes it much, much easier to work on. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, michel balea wrote: # It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen it.... consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55.... # # > Subject: fsj: driver's side leaf spring # > need to replace the driver's rear leaf spring. # > # > the fuel tank skid plate is in the way... however, looking at the parts catalog # > it seems that the nut behind the front bolt is clipped inside. The '91 GW # > is rust free and have not had problems with rusted bolts so my question is, # > will I need to drop the skid plate? # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-fuel-tank-skid-plate.jpg # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/wagoneer-rear-leaf-spring.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the Omega project My son and I swapped in the last spring tonight... the driver's side rear, the nut on the frame stayed where it was supposed to and we didn't have to drop the tank! Absolutely love working on a 17 year old Jeep that has NO RUST! Omega s running... I may drive it to work tomorrow... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-05-after-glowplugs-Omega/ john project highlights: 1991 Grand Wagoneer - factory moonroof, pdl, pw, etc. - - 6.2L Diesel - Novak mounts - - 700R4 with Novak adapter to Jeep NP228 - - new driveshafts and radiator - - rebuilt injectors - - 2" lift from BJs Offroad - - Rancho 5000 shocks - - dual tanks (bioDiesel and Diesel), may heat one eventually - - factory brush guard with factory Marchall fog lamps and IPF driving lights - - XJ center console - - will have WJ seats Still need a GM a/c compressor and lines, and Tan heated leather WJ seats, also thinking of putting two smaller bucket seats in the back in place of the large rear bench to allow access to the rear without using the tailgate. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 07:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project yes, the 327 they put in was as heavy as the 6.2. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Looks good! # # So, would that size engine fit in Rambo?!? ;) # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > My son and I swapped in the last spring tonight... # > the driver's side rear, the # > nut on the frame stayed where it was supposed to and # > we didn't have to drop the tank! # > # > Absolutely love working on a 17 year old Jeep that # > has NO RUST! # > # > Omega s running... I may drive it to work # > tomorrow... :) # > # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-05-after-glowplugs-Omega/ # > # > john # > # > # > project highlights: # > 1991 Grand Wagoneer - factory moonroof, pdl, pw, # > etc. # > - 6.2L Diesel - Novak mounts # > - 700R4 with Novak adapter to Jeep NP228 # > - new driveshafts and radiator # > - rebuilt injectors # > - 2" lift from BJs Offroad # > - Rancho 5000 shocks # > - dual tanks (bioDiesel and Diesel), may heat one # > eventually # > - factory brush guard with factory Marchall fog # > lamps and IPF driving lights # > - XJ center console # > - will have WJ seats # > # > Still need a GM a/c compressor and lines, and Tan # > heated leather WJ seats, # > also thinking of putting two smaller bucket seats in # > the back in place of # > the large rear bench to allow access to the rear # > without using the tailgate. :) # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer 8 April 2008 Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep instead of buying what is already a Diesel: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may be misfiring, hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... we'll see... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son and I did the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the frame was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL.html individual pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, lights... :) more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ john meister ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: The Diesel Tree: Grow your own oil (fwd) check this out. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php will these things grow in Washington???? :) john http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Australian farmers in the wet tropical region of North Queensland have bought over 20,000 of these so-called diesel trees. The intention is that in 15 or so years they'll have their very own oil mine growing on their farmland. Because, the Brazilian Copaifera langsdorfii, to use its botanical name, can be tapped not unlike a rubber tree, but instead of yielding rubbery latex it gives up a natural diesel. According to the nurseryman selling the trees, one hectare will yield about 12,000 litres annually. * Once filtered-no complex refining required, apparently-it can be placed straight into a diesel tractor or truck. We read that a single Copaifera langsdorfii will continue to produce fuel oil for an impressive 70 years, with the only negative being that its particular form of diesel needs to be used within three months of extraction. Oddly this is not news. The Center for New Crops & Plant Products , at Purdue University reports that it was first reported to the western world as far back as 1625. They observe reports from 1979 saying "Natives ... drill a 5 centimeter hole into the 1-meter thick trunk and put a bung into it. Every 6 months or so, they remove the bung and collect 15 to 20 liters of the hydrocarbon." The UN's Food and Agriculture Organisation noted in a paper at the Eleventh world forestry congress back in 1997 on the topic of tree oil for cars that "... the potential of other alternatives such as the Amazon Copaifera langsdorfii need to be investigated." Copaifera langsdorfii can grow trunks 30 metres tall and store the oil in their unusual capilliary structure. The above image is a transverse section of the tree's cells. * I used to convert metric measurements in American imperial but when I discovered that the only countries that have failed to embrace metric are the USA, Liberia and Burma I stopped. However Purdue University record that "An acre of 100 mature trees might thus be able to produce 25 barrels of fuel per year." Via ABC and Sydney Morning Herald http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/the_diesel_tree_grow_your_own_oil.php ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John: # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep or # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # # Bob # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # 8 April 2008 # # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. # # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep # instead # of buying what is already a Diesel: # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg # # Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may be # misfiring, # hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... # we'll see... :) # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL # L.html # # individual pictures: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ # # # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son and I # did # the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the # frame # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL # .html # individual pictures: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ # # # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) # of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, # lights... :) # more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # john meister # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:43:14 -0400 From: "Bob Brooks" Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer John; I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them into GM and Ford trucks. Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. Bob - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM To: Bob Brooks Cc: full size jeep list Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John: # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep or # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # # Bob # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # 8 April 2008 # # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. # # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep # instead # of buying what is already a Diesel: # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg # # Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may be # misfiring, # hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... # we'll see... :) # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL # L.html # # individual pictures: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ # # # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son and I # did # the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the # frame # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. # # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL # .html # individual pictures: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ # # # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) # of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, # lights... :) # more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # # john meister # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3045 **************************