From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 9 04:42:50 2008 From: fsj-digest <owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net> fsj-digest Wednesday, April 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3047 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci <ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net> Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring Re: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer fsj: RE: the Omega project RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:45:33 -0700 From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block Chev) IIRC, the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll have a 304 hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. > > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance > underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. > > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. > > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: > > # John; > # > # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a > # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them > # into GM and Ford trucks. > # > # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in > # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer > # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the > # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. > # > # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 > # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. > # > # Bob > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM > # To: Bob Brooks > # Cc: full size jeep list > # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > # > # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. > # > # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. > # > # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're > # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. > # > # john > # > # ----- > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: > # > # # John: > # # > # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! > # # > # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep > # or > # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? > # # > # # Bob > # # > # # -----Original Message----- > # # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > # john > # # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM > # # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > # # > # # 8 April 2008 > # # > # # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work. > # # > # # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my Jeep > # # instead > # # of buying what is already a Diesel: > # # > # # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg > # # > # # Topped off the main tank on the way in. Still have one injector that may > # be > # # misfiring, > # # hoping it will clear on it's own. Optimistic about the fuel economy... > # # we'll see... :) > # # > # # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL > # # L.html > # # > # # individual pictures: > # # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/ > # # > # # > # # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install... My son > # and I > # # did > # # the driver's side last night in a very short time. The welded nut on the > # # frame > # # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years old. > # > # # > # # > # # > # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL > # # .html > # # individual pictures: > # # > # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ > # # > # # > # # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done... :) > # # of course, the list is getting shorter: seats, a/c, cruise, stereo, > # # lights... :) > # # more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # # > # # john meister > # # > # # ----- > # # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:48:30 -0700 From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring Actually, the nut is attached to a clip that holds it from turning and keeps it in place until the rust monster eats through and allows it to spin! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen it.... consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55.... You can use my favorite spray for rusted or seized nuts... it is not pb blaster, but Freeze-off at kragen or autozone $$$ but it has worked better than pb blaster, or knock-er loose or kroil on exhaust manifold bolts, in fact any exhaust nuts or bolts will let go... spray for 5 to 20 seconds depending on the degree of stubborness. The spray will actually chill the metal.... it did not show any temp decrease when i measured it w an infrared thermometer.... but it has worked again today to loosen the nuts at the donut.... Michel 74 wag _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:00:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer 650 lbs, Table 1-1, pg 1-4: http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_manual.pdf STANDARD METRIC Dimensions: Length . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 in. 89 cm Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm Height . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html so there's 90lbs difference... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block Chev) IIRC, the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll have a 304 hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # > # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. # > # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance # > underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. # > # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. # > # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) # > john # > # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # > # > # John; # > # # > # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a # > # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them # > # into GM and Ford trucks. # > # # > # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in # > # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer # > # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the # > # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. # > # # > # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 # > # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. # > # # > # Bob # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM # > # To: Bob Brooks # > # Cc: full size jeep list # > # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # > # # > # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. # > # # > # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. # > # # > # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're # > # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # > # # John: # > # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # > # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep # > # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # > # # Bob # > # # -----Original Message----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring whatever it is, it is, and it worked... and I'm quite happy. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Actually, the nut is attached to a clip that holds it from turning and keeps # it in place until the rust monster eats through and allows it to spin! # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com> # Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring # # It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely # done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen # it.... # consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55.... # # You can use my favorite spray for rusted or seized nuts... it is not pb # blaster, but Freeze-off at kragen or autozone $$$ but it has worked better # than pb blaster, or knock-er loose or kroil on exhaust manifold bolts, in # fact # any exhaust nuts or bolts will let go... spray for 5 to 20 seconds depending # on the degree of stubborness. The spray will actually chill the metal.... it # did not show any temp decrease when i measured it w an infrared # thermometer.... but it has worked again today to loosen the nuts at the # donut.... # # Michel # 74 wag # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ # getintouch_042008 # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:53:41 -0700 From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project My son and I loaded Brian's 327 (sans manifolds) into the back of my IH 5 ton (about 4 feet off the ground) by hand. It's about as heavy as any Chev big block I've handled. (in my younger days I changed SBCs by hand by straddling the fenders and lifting with one hand while pulling down on a chain over the rafters with the other (we were too poor to afford a chain fall back on the farm) Mind you, that was back when I was in shape to compete on the Canadian Olympic weightlifting team (we didn't go, as a protest about Russia being in Afghanistan) Mind you, I'm still in shape! (Round is a shape, isn't it?) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project yes, the 327 they put in was as heavy as the 6.2. :) _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:02:58 -0700 From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer Does that include manifolds? How many gallons of oil? Is the filter standard sized? How big/heavy are the fuel filters? It does add up! (wish you'd gone across the scale bone stock before starting!) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:00:35 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > > 650 lbs, Table 1-1, pg 1-4: > http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_ma nual.pdf > > STANDARD METRIC > Dimensions: > Length . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 in. 89 cm > Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm > Height . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm > New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg > > > the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html > > so there's 90lbs difference... > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block Chev) IIRC, > the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll have a 304 > hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>) > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com > # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > # > > # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. > # > > # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance > # > underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. > # > > # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give > # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. > # > > # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) > # > john > # > > # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: > # > > # > # John; > # > # > # > # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a > # > # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them > # > # into GM and Ford trucks. > # > # > # > # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in > # > # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer > # > # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the > # > # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. > # > # > # > # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 > # > # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. > # > # > # > # Bob > # > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM > # > # To: Bob Brooks > # > # Cc: full size jeep list > # > # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer > # > # > # > # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. > # > # > # > # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. > # > # > # > # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're > # > # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. > # > # > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: > # > # # John: > # > # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! > # > # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep > # > # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? > # > # # Bob > # > # # -----Original Message----- _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:08:21 -0700 From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com> Subject: fsj: RE: the Omega project I did a quick check for GM diesels at the pull a part, but rain started and drove me out (I was still looking for a replacement rear driveshaft for my '87 Comanche. Got any 43" long Ujoint center to Ujoint center? <G>) Near as I can figure, XJ 2wds came with that exact size, but some ^%$%$#-at-* stole mine when my son did his GF's swap to 4x4! Shops won't cut down the old MJ shaft because it has the rubber insert. From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com> Subject: xj: the Omega project My son and I swapped in the last spring tonight... the driver's side rear, the nut on the frame stayed where it was supposed to and we didn't have to drop the tank! Absolutely love working on a 17 year old Jeep that has NO RUST! Omega s running... I may drive it to work tomorrow... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-05-after-glowplugs-Omega/ john project highlights: 1991 Grand Wagoneer - factory moonroof, pdl, pw, etc. - - - 6.2L Diesel - Novak mounts - - - 700R4 with Novak adapter to Jeep NP228 - - - new driveshafts and radiator - - - rebuilt injectors - - - 2" lift from BJs Offroad - - - Rancho 5000 shocks - - - dual tanks (bioDiesel and Diesel), may heat one eventually - - - factory brush guard with factory Marchall fog lamps and IPF driving lights - - - XJ center console - - - will have WJ seats Still need a GM a/c compressor and lines, and Tan heated leather WJ seats, also thinking of putting two smaller bucket seats in the back in place of the large rear bench to allow access to the rear without using the tailgate. :) ----- _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:34:30 -0400 From: "Bob Brooks" <rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer John; So the Cummins 6BT would be about 400 lbs heavier!! That's a large difference, and I don't thing the front end would be real happy. Bob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:01 AM To: Jim Blair Cc: local Jeep list Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer 650 lbs, Table 1-1, pg 1-4: http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_m anual.pdf STANDARD METRIC Dimensions: Length . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 in. 89 cm Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm Height . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html so there's 90lbs difference... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block Chev) IIRC, the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll have a 304 hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # > # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs. # > # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance # > underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2. # > # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list. # > # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :) # > john # > # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # > # > # John; # > # # > # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a # > # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them # > # into GM and Ford trucks. # > # # > # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in # > # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same trailer # > # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the # > # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. # > # # > # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830 # > # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller. # > # # > # Bob # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM # > # To: Bob Brooks # > # Cc: full size jeep list # > # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer # > # # > # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud. # > # # > # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels. # > # # > # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're # > # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable. # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # > # # John: # > # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!! # > # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep # > # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better? # > # # Bob # > # # -----Original Message----- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3047 **************************