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Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:

	RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
	RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring
	RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
	RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring
	Re: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project
	RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
	fsj: RE: the Omega project
	RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:45:33 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block
Chev) IIRC, the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish
scale? I'll have a 304 hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>)

Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10


> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>
> weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs.
>
> I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance
> underhood or above the axle...  it was tight with the 6.2.
>
> The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give
> or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list.
>
> I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :)
>
> john
>
>     -----
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
>   http://wagoneers.com            ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
>
>  # John;
>  #
>  # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT
or a
>  # 4BT.  There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them
>  # into GM and Ford trucks.
>  #
>  # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins
in
>  # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage.  Same
trailer
>  # and load over the same route.  The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the
>  # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker.
>  #
>  # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about
830
>  # lbs.  So the weights are pretty close.  The Cummins is taller.
>  #
>  # Bob
>  #
>  # -----Original Message-----
>  # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com]
>  # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM
>  # To: Bob Brooks
>  # Cc: full size jeep list
>  # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>  #
>  # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud.
>  #
>  # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels.
>  #
>  # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them...  they're
>  # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable.
>  #
>  # john
>  #
>  #     -----
>  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  #  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
>  #   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
>  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  #
>  #
>  # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
>  #
>  #  # John:
>  #  #
>  #  # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!!
>  #  #
>  #  # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this
jeep
>  # or
>  #  # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better?
>  #  #
>  #  # Bob
>  #  #
>  #  # -----Original Message-----
>  #  # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of
>  # john
>  #  # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:12 PM
>  #  # To: undisclosed-recipients:
>  #  # Subject: fsj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>  #  #
>  #  # 8 April 2008
>  #  #
>  #  # Drove my 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel to work.
>  #  #
>  #  # ...and parked next to a Ford Diesel, makes it clear why I built my
Jeep
>  #  # instead
>  #  # of buying what is already a Diesel:
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/firstcommute.jpg
>  #  #
>  #  # Topped off the main tank on the way in.  Still have one injector that
may
>  # be
>  #  # misfiring,
>  #  # hoping it will clear on it's own.  Optimistic about the fuel
economy...
>  #  # we'll see... :)
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/AL
>  #  # L.html
>  #  #
>  #  #    individual pictures:
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/first_commute/
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #  # Here's some shots of the passenger side leaf spring install...  My
son
>  # and I
>  #  # did
>  #  # the driver's side last night in a very short time.  The welded nut on
the
>  #  # frame
>  #  # was in place, and stayed, thanks to NO RUST, despite being 17 years
old.
>  #
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/ALL
>  #  # .html
>  #  #    individual pictures:
>  #  #
>  #  #
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-08-Omega-1st-commute/rear-springs/
>  #  #
>  #  #
>  #  # Was a great feeling, but there still work to be done...  :)
>  #  # of course, the list is getting shorter:  seats, a/c, cruise, stereo,
>  #  # lights...  :)
>  #  # more pictures:  http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/
>  #  #
>  #  # john meister
>  #  #
>  #  #     -----
>  #  #
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  #  #  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
>  #  #   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
>  #  #
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  #  #
>  #

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:48:30 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring

Actually, the nut is attached to a clip that holds it from turning and keeps
it in place until the rust monster eats through and allows it to spin!

Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring

It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely
done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen
it....
consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55....

You can use my favorite  spray for rusted or seized nuts...  it is not pb
blaster, but Freeze-off at kragen or autozone $$$ but it has worked better
than pb blaster, or knock-er loose or kroil on exhaust manifold bolts, in
fact
any exhaust nuts or bolts will let go... spray for 5 to 20 seconds depending
on the degree of stubborness. The spray will actually chill the metal.... it
did not show any temp decrease when i measured it w an infrared
thermometer.... but it has worked again today to loosen the nuts at the
donut....

Michel
74 wag

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

650 lbs, Table 1-1,  pg 1-4:
http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_manual.pdf

STANDARD METRIC
Dimensions:
Length . . . . . . . . . .  . . 35 in. 89 cm
Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm
Height . . . . . . . . . .  . . 28 in. 71 cm
New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg


the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs 
http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html

so there's 90lbs difference...

    -----
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
  http://wagoneers.com            ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:

 # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big block Chev) IIRC, 
the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll have a 304 
hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>)
 # 
 # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
 # 
 # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700
 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
 # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
 # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net
 # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
 # > 
 # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs.  
 # > 
 # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance
 # > underhood or above the axle...  it was tight with the 6.2.
 # > 
 # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give
 # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list.
 # > 
 # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :)
 # > john
 # > 
 # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
 # > 
 # >  # John;
 # >  # 
 # >  # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a 6BT or a
 # >  # 4BT.  There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit them
 # >  # into GM and Ford trucks.  
 # >  # 
 # >  # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the Cummins in
 # >  # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage.  Same trailer
 # >  # and load over the same route.  The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to the
 # >  # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. 
 # >  # 
 # >  # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is about 830
 # >  # lbs.  So the weights are pretty close.  The Cummins is taller.
 # >  # 
 # >  # Bob 
 # >  # 
 # >  # -----Original Message-----
 # >  # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] 
 # >  # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM
 # >  # To: Bob Brooks
 # >  # Cc: full size jeep list
 # >  # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
 # >  # 
 # >  # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud.
 # >  # 
 # >  # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels.
 # >  # 
 # >  # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them...  they're
 # >  # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable.
 # >  # 
 # >  # john
 # >  # 
 # >  #     -----
 # >  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 # >  #  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
 # >  #   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
 # >  # ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 # >  # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
 # >  #  # John:
 # >  #  # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!!
 # >  #  # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for this jeep
 # >  #  # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better?
 # >  #  # Bob
 # >  #  # -----Original Message-----

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring

whatever it is, it is, and it worked... and I'm quite happy. :)

    -----
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
  http://wagoneers.com            ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------


On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:

 # Actually, the nut is attached to a clip that holds it from turning and keeps
 # it in place until the rust monster eats through and allows it to spin!
 # 
 # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
 # From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
 # Subject: RE: fsj: driver's side leaf spring
 # 
 # It is a captive nut welded inside the frame rail... so if the weld was nicely
 # done on a wednesday.... it may be tight enough to hold while you loosen
 # it....
 # consensus it that it does not hold.... as they are made friday at 16:55....
 # 
 # You can use my favorite  spray for rusted or seized nuts...  it is not pb
 # blaster, but Freeze-off at kragen or autozone $$$ but it has worked better
 # than pb blaster, or knock-er loose or kroil on exhaust manifold bolts, in
 # fact
 # any exhaust nuts or bolts will let go... spray for 5 to 20 seconds depending
 # on the degree of stubborness. The spray will actually chill the metal.... it
 # did not show any temp decrease when i measured it w an infrared
 # thermometer.... but it has worked again today to loosen the nuts at the
 # donut....
 # 
 # Michel
 # 74 wag
 # 
 # _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:53:41 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project

My son and I loaded Brian's 327 (sans manifolds) into the back of my IH 5 ton
(about 4 feet off the ground) by hand. It's about as heavy as any Chev big
block I've handled. (in my younger days I changed SBCs by hand by straddling
the fenders and lifting with one hand while pulling down on a chain over the
rafters with the other (we were too poor to afford a chain fall back on the
farm) Mind you, that was back when I was in shape to compete on the Canadian
Olympic weightlifting team (we didn't go, as a protest about Russia being in
Afghanistan)
   Mind you, I'm still in shape!
(Round is a shape, isn't it?)

Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] the Omega project

yes, the 327 they put in was as heavy
as the 6.2. :)

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:02:58 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

Does that include manifolds? How many gallons of oil? Is the filter standard
sized? How big/heavy are the fuel filters? It does add up! (wish you'd gone
across the scale bone stock before starting!)

Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10


> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:00:35 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com
> CC: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>
> 650 lbs, Table 1-1,  pg 1-4:
>
http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_ma
nual.pdf
>
> STANDARD METRIC
> Dimensions:
> Length . . . . . . . . . .  . . 35 in. 89 cm
> Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm
> Height . . . . . . . . . .  . . 28 in. 71 cm
> New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg
>
>
> the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs
> http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html
>
> so there's 90lbs difference...
>
>     -----
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
>   http://wagoneers.com            ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
>
>  # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big
block Chev) IIRC,
> the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll
have a 304
> hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>)
>  #
>  # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
>  #
>  # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700
>  # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
>  # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
>  # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net
>  # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>  # >
>  # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs.
>  # >
>  # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance
>  # > underhood or above the axle...  it was tight with the 6.2.
>  # >
>  # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give
>  # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list.
>  # >
>  # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :)
>  # > john
>  # >
>  # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
>  # >
>  # >  # John;
>  # >  #
>  # >  # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a
6BT or a
>  # >  # 4BT.  There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit
them
>  # >  # into GM and Ford trucks.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the
Cummins in
>  # >  # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage.  Same
trailer
>  # >  # and load over the same route.  The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to
the
>  # >  # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is
about 830
>  # >  # lbs.  So the weights are pretty close.  The Cummins is taller.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # Bob
>  # >  #
>  # >  # -----Original Message-----
>  # >  # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com]
>  # >  # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM
>  # >  # To: Bob Brooks
>  # >  # Cc: full size jeep list
>  # >  # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
>  # >  #
>  # >  # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them...  they're
>  # >  # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable.
>  # >  #
>  # >  # john
>  # >  #
>  # >  #     -----
>  # >  #
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  # >  #  Snohomish, Washington  -o|||||o-  where Jeeps don't rust, they
mold
>  # >  #   http://freegift.com                  ** http://wagoneers.com **
>  # >  #
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  # >  # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
>  # >  #  # John:
>  # >  #  # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!!
>  # >  #  # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for
this jeep
>  # >  #  # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better?
>  # >  #  # Bob
>  # >  #  # -----Original Message-----

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:08:21 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: the Omega project

I did a quick check for GM diesels at the pull a part, but rain started and
drove me
out (I was still looking for a replacement rear driveshaft for my '87
Comanche. Got
any 43" long Ujoint center to Ujoint center? <G>) Near as I can figure, XJ
2wds came
with that exact size, but some ^%$%$#-at-* stole mine when my son did his GF's
swap to 4x4!
   Shops won't cut down the old MJ shaft because it has the rubber insert.


From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: xj: the Omega project

My son and I swapped in the last spring tonight... the driver's side rear,
the
nut on the frame stayed where it was supposed to and we didn't have to drop
the tank!

	Absolutely love working on a 17 year old Jeep that has NO RUST!

Omega s running...  I may drive it to work tomorrow...  :)

http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/04-Apr-05-after-glowplugs-Omega/

john


project highlights:
1991 Grand Wagoneer - factory moonroof, pdl, pw, etc.
- - - 6.2L Diesel - Novak mounts
- - - 700R4 with Novak adapter to Jeep NP228
- - - new driveshafts and radiator
- - - rebuilt injectors
- - - 2" lift from BJs Offroad
- - - Rancho 5000 shocks
- - - dual tanks (bioDiesel and Diesel), may heat one eventually
- - - factory brush guard with factory Marchall fog lamps and IPF driving
lights
- - - XJ center console
- - - will have WJ seats

Still need a GM a/c compressor and lines, and Tan heated leather WJ seats,
also thinking of putting two smaller bucket seats in the back in place of
the large rear bench to allow access to the rear without using the tailgate.
:)

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:34:30 -0400
From: "Bob Brooks" <rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

John;

So the Cummins 6BT would be about 400 lbs heavier!!

That's a large difference, and I don't thing the front end would be real
happy. 

Bob

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:01 AM
To: Jim Blair
Cc: local Jeep list
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer

650 lbs, Table 1-1,  pg 1-4:
http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_m
anual.pdf

STANDARD METRIC
Dimensions:
Length . . . . . . . . . .  . . 35 in. 89 cm
Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm
Height . . . . . . . . . .  . . 28 in. 71 cm
New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg


the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs 
http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html

so there's 90lbs difference...

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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:

 # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big
block Chev) IIRC, 
the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll
have a 304 
hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>)
 # 
 # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
 # 
 # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700
 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
 # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
 # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net
 # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
 # > 
 # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs.  
 # > 
 # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance
 # > underhood or above the axle...  it was tight with the 6.2.
 # > 
 # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give
 # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list.
 # > 
 # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :)
 # > john
 # > 
 # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
 # > 
 # >  # John;
 # >  # 
 # >  # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a
6BT or a
 # >  # 4BT.  There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit
them
 # >  # into GM and Ford trucks.  
 # >  # 
 # >  # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the
Cummins in
 # >  # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage.  Same
trailer
 # >  # and load over the same route.  The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to
the
 # >  # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker. 
 # >  # 
 # >  # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is
about 830
 # >  # lbs.  So the weights are pretty close.  The Cummins is taller.
 # >  # 
 # >  # Bob 
 # >  # 
 # >  # -----Original Message-----
 # >  # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] 
 # >  # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM
 # >  # To: Bob Brooks
 # >  # Cc: full size jeep list
 # >  # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
 # >  # 
 # >  # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud.
 # >  # 
 # >  # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels.
 # >  # 
 # >  # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them...  they're
 # >  # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable.
 # >  # 
 # >  # john
 # >  # 
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 # >  # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
 # >  #  # John:
 # >  #  # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!!
 # >  #  # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for
this jeep
 # >  #  # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better?
 # >  #  # Bob
 # >  #  # -----Original Message-----

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