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Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:
fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
fsj: shock questions
RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
RE: fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
RE: fsj: shock questions
RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
fsj: '63 Gladiator with OHC 6 auto and HD axles $500 in WA (NOT MINE!)
RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
RE: fsj: shock questions
RE: fsj: shock questions
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 07:53:52 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
That's usually a sign the vehicle was in a front end accident.
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
Yeah, my 05 ram is evidence of that.
And my brother's y2k xj seems to be evidence that a city driven vehicle can
have a hard life too. Head's off, cracked in two places. The part that really
got me mad was the golfball sized chunk of intake runner #1 that came off
when I unbolted it.
So now, my volkswagen jetta has an XJ intake manifold. ;)
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:00:06PM -0700, john wrote:
> you'll get there... takes time to get a vehicle dialed in after abuse. ;)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
where's that at? have you tried drivelines nw?
curtis had my shafts done in centralia for less, I'll have
to find the receipts if I have them.
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
# To take the ends I have and put in a new tube will cost $350! (I can get a Tom Woods shaft cheaper!) and that doesn't include Ujoints!
#
# Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
#
#
# > From: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
# > To: xj-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net
# > Subject: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
# > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:30:34 -0400
# >
# > Jim;
# >
# > The shop should be willing to make a new one, but they tend to be very
# > pricey.
# >
# > I've cut down quite a few over the years with out a problem. But you need
# > to make sure it's done right!!
# >
# > Bob
# >
# >
#
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: shock questions
is a rancho 5000 better than a rancho 7000?
I need to get some longer shocks... the ride on Omega is a bit,
well, choppy... and bouncy... but not a full bounce... at least
not until the ends of the rancho 5000's mushroom and come apart. :)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:15:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
oh yes, the 6bt is massive, even the 4bt is quite stout.
I had a brochure for a 4bt somewhere that listed the weight,
but a google search might find it.
you'd need a Dana 60 at a minimum with the cummins.
That's kind of why I went with the 6.2/6.5 series... I knew
them and they are affordable and plentiful and reliable. and not
horribly heavy, at least compared to the boat anchor that came
in these things stock. ;)
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
# John;
#
# So the Cummins 6BT would be about 400 lbs heavier!!
#
# That's a large difference, and I don't thing the front end would be real
# happy.
#
# Bob
#
# -----Original Message-----
# From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john
# Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:01 AM
# To: Jim Blair
# Cc: local Jeep list
# Subject: RE: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
#
# 650 lbs, Table 1-1, pg 1-4:
# http://wagoneers.com/DIESELS/6.2L_Diesel/ARMY_TM_9-2815-237-34_6.2L_REPAIR_m
# anual.pdf
#
# STANDARD METRIC
# Dimensions:
# Length . . . . . . . . . . . . 35 in. 89 cm
# Width . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm
# Height . . . . . . . . . . . . 28 in. 71 cm
# New weight, dry . . . . . .. . 650 lbs 295 kg
#
#
# the AMC V8's weight is around 540lbs
# http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Engines/swapchart.html
#
# so there's 90lbs difference...
#
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#
# On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# # That doesn't make much sense since the motor weighs more than a BBC (big
# block Chev) IIRC,
# the AMC 360 was 575 lbs dry complete. (anyone got a big fish scale? I'll
# have a 304
# hanging from my engine hoist in a week or so. <G>)
# #
# # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
# #
# # > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:01:07 -0700
# # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
# # > To: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
# # > CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; fsj-at-digest.net
# # > Subject: fsj: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
# # >
# # > weight of the 6.2L Detroit Diesel is 650 lbs.
# # >
# # > I have heard of a 6BT being put in a Wagoneer... very little clearance
# # > underhood or above the axle... it was tight with the 6.2.
# # >
# # > The AMC 360 that came out weighed 640lbs if I recall correctly, give
# # > or take a bit... posted the accurate details earlier to the list.
# # >
# # > I got the weight out of a Technical manual for the engine. :)
# # > john
# # >
# # > On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
# # >
# # > # John;
# # > #
# # > # I would think that with the lift you'd have the height for either a
# 6BT or a
# # > # 4BT. There are a couple of outfits that make conversion pcs to fit
# them
# # > # into GM and Ford trucks.
# # > #
# # > # Having towed with diesel pickups for a long time I find that the
# Cummins in
# # > # the Dodge seems to pull better and get better fuel mileage. Same
# trailer
# # > # and load over the same route. The Ford and Chevy got 7-8 miles to
# the
# # > # gallon less than the Dodge, And the Dodge was quicker.
# # > #
# # > # The Cummins 6BT is 906 lbs and the 4BT is 705, I think the 6.2 is
# about 830
# # > # lbs. So the weights are pretty close. The Cummins is taller.
# # > #
# # > # Bob
# # > #
# # > # -----Original Message-----
# # > # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com]
# # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:59 PM
# # > # To: Bob Brooks
# # > # Cc: full size jeep list
# # > # Subject: RE: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
# # > #
# # > # the cummins is too tall, too heavy and too loud.
# # > #
# # > # I'm not familiar with the Ford/IH Diesels.
# # > #
# # > # I've had a few 6.2's and have been happy with them... they're
# # > # not powerhouses but they are affordable and reliable.
# # > #
# # > # john
# # > #
# # > # -----
# # > #
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# # > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **
# # > #
# ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# # > # On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Bob Brooks wrote:
# # > # # John:
# # > # # The Jeep looks really nice, congrats on the first outing!!!
# # > # # Just curious do you still think the 6.2 is the right engine for
# this jeep
# # > # # would a Cummins or Ford/ International have been better?
# # > # # Bob
# # > # # -----Original Message-----
#
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:16:10 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
I recall us going through the list once before?
AMC 6 from a 75 Pacer in a 76 Chev van (20 years ago and still going strong
AFAIK!)
Mazda rotary in a 66 VW van (broke the frame "wheeling") after trying Porsche
air cooled, and Corvair turbo 6.
'93 Jeep 4.0L in a '84 J10 (still awaiting wiring swap. I tried the ZJ setup
and was stymied by the excessive wiring and alarm)
Hyundai Stellar 1.6L (same as Dodge colt) in a D50 pickup.
Chev 350 in a '70 Datsun pickup.
428 side oiler in a '66 Fairlane (if you saw how narrow the fenders were, ie:
early Mustang-like, you'd know how tough that was!)
Chevette motor in a Vega wagon.
Datsun 510 drivetrain in a B210 fastback.
Mazda Cosmo 3 rotor in an RX2 body.
Olds 455 rocket in a Pontiac Astre.
400M in an '80 Mercury Bobcat glassback.
318/727 in a Jeep full size Cherokee.
Maybe soon a 4.0L in my '82 AMC Spirit.
(there's more, but after doing my taxes last night, it's a wonder my brain
still functions!)
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
rofl...
actually, I try to put Mercedes or Detroit Diesels in stuff...
well, I guess I did plan on putting an XJ engine into an SJ...
put a Buick into a Luv, then an SJ... was going to put an Olds in an SJ...
but finally settled on a Detroit Diesel in an SJ... and I think this will
be the last major project, at least with the intent of making the
ultimate daily driver... :) I suspect I will acquire other projects, they
just seem to find me... and follow me home... hmmmm... thinking about that,
I wonder how Omega will do with my neighbor's flat bed trailer... getting
close to bringing Superdawg home... need to rebuild the carport first...,
actually 2nd... need to finish taxes first. ;)
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:43:12 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: first commute with the Diesel 1991 Grand Wagoneer
It never saw the highway except on a tow hook. That's the one my son and I
raised -at-18" and then I sold my house. It was parked at his friend's place in
Auburn and was stolen from there.
John wrote:
the 318 might have been ok with fuel economy, right?
I drove an army dodge van in germany with the slant six and automatic and
got 22 mpg. of course we could only drive at 50 or 55 on the autobahns...
(the double nickel was still in effect in the states and trucks were limited
to 80Km/hr, can't remember if the van was restricted as a truck or was
able to do 55mph/90km)
I looked at a dodge van with a 318, the guy claimed 18mpg... I bought
a ford van, got 14 mpg tops... 351w.
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:45:14 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: shock questions
The bigger number is supposed to mean better shock AFAIK (they certainly are
pricier) If I had my choice, Edelbrock is what I'd chose. (though my Spirit
and MJ may get KYBs due to my hookup at work)
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:13:51 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: shock questions
>
> is a rancho 5000 better than a rancho 7000?
>
> I need to get some longer shocks... the ride on Omega is a bit,
> well, choppy... and bouncy... but not a full bounce... at least
> not until the ends of the rancho 5000's mushroom and come apart. :)
>
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> http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:01:58 -0400
From: "Bob Brooks" <rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
Jim;
Get a longer one and cut it down.
Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Blair
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:46 AM
To: Bob Brooks; xj-at-digest.net; 'john Meister'; 'local Jeep list'
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
To take the ends I have and put in a new tube will cost $350! (I can get a
Tom
Woods shaft cheaper!) and that doesn't include Ujoints!
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> From: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
> To: xj-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:30:34 -0400
>
> Jim;
>
> The shop should be willing to make a new one, but they tend to be very
> pricey.
>
> I've cut down quite a few over the years with out a problem. But you need
> to make sure it's done right!!
>
> Bob
>
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:10:29 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
I tried. Only one handy was the rubber insert one they wouldn't touch. Other
one was Mopar and cost $200 for special crossover ujoints (a No-win either
way!) Someone stole a bunch of my driveshafts when I was in the apartment last
year. (that and a lot of new parts I had. Luckily they didn't get my stroker
build parts!)
> From: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; xj-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:01:58 -0400
>
> Jim;
>
> Get a longer one and cut it down.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Blair
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:46 AM
> To: Bob Brooks; xj-at-digest.net; 'john Meister'; 'local Jeep list'
> Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
>
> To take the ends I have and put in a new tube will cost $350! (I can get a
> Tom
> Woods shaft cheaper!) and that doesn't include Ujoints!
>
> Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:08:23 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: '63 Gladiator with OHC 6 auto and HD axles $500 in WA (NOT MINE!)
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/car/633731236.html
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
drop by my place, off to the side of the carport there are a handful
of driveshafts that are too long for the Panel too. Mark should be home,
he can show you, and you can help him swap out that switch in his Benz
so he doesn't tear up the wood console. ;)
john
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
# I tried. Only one handy was the rubber insert one they wouldn't touch. Other one was Mopar and cost $200 for special crossover ujoints (a No-win either way!) Someone stole a bunch of my driveshafts when I was in the apartment last year. (that and a lot of new parts I had. Luckily they didn't get my stroker build parts!)
#
# > From: rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com
# > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; xj-at-digest.net; john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net
# > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
# > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:01:58 -0400
# >
# > Jim;
# >
# > Get a longer one and cut it down.
# >
# > Bob
# >
# > -----Original Message-----
# > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim
# > Blair
# > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:46 AM
# > To: Bob Brooks; xj-at-digest.net; 'john Meister'; 'local Jeep list'
# > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: the Omega project
# >
# > To take the ends I have and put in a new tube will cost $350! (I can get a
# > Tom
# > Woods shaft cheaper!) and that doesn't include Ujoints!
# >
# > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
# >
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:21:25 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: shock questions
I have the 9000's yes, pricey, but they always have a sale 4 for the price of
3.... so about $300. they come in different length for lifted vehicle... i
have the model for the 2" lift. They do a fantastic job.... may be because i
always used the $50-60 shocks before..... They are adjustable... but have not
noticed a difference from stiff to soft.
Michel
74wag
> From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com
> To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net
> Subject: RE: fsj: shock questions
> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:45:14 -0700
>
> The bigger number is supposed to mean better shock AFAIK (they certainly
are
> pricier) If I had my choice, Edelbrock is what I'd chose. (though my Spirit
> and MJ may get KYBs due to my hookup at work)
>
> Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:13:51 -0700
> > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> > To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net
> > Subject: fsj: shock questions
> >
> > is a rancho 5000 better than a rancho 7000?
> >
> > I need to get some longer shocks... the ride on Omega is a bit,
> > well, choppy... and bouncy... but not a full bounce... at least
> > not until the ends of the rancho 5000's mushroom and come apart. :)
> >
> > -----
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
> > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ **
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: shock questions
I had the 9000s on SuperDawg for a bit... didn't notice
any difference on the settings either...
I've heard good things about Edelbrock shocks...
Michel, my 2" lift netted way more than 3" and it does not ride
like a Cadillac, unless of course that Cadillac had egg shaped tires inflated
to 60psi. :)
maybe I need more weight to smooth the ride out. ;)
guess I'll mount the winch to the front... of course I can't put
any more tanks on it... have over 40 gallons of BioDiesel and Diesel right
now... maybe I'll have to put a tool box in the back... :)
john
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, michel balea wrote:
#
#
#
# I have the 9000's yes, pricey, but they always have a sale 4 for the price of 3.... so about $300. they come in different length for lifted vehicle... i have the model for the 2" lift. They do a fantastic job.... may be because i always used the $50-60 shocks before..... They are adjustable... but have not noticed a difference from stiff to soft.
#
# Michel
# 74wag
#
# > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com
# > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net
# > Subject: RE: fsj: shock questions
# > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:45:14 -0700
# >
# > The bigger number is supposed to mean better shock AFAIK (they certainly are
# > pricier) If I had my choice, Edelbrock is what I'd chose. (though my Spirit
# > and MJ may get KYBs due to my hookup at work)
# >
# > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
# >
# >
# > > Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:13:51 -0700
# > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
# > > To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net
# > > Subject: fsj: shock questions
# > >
# > > is a rancho 5000 better than a rancho 7000?
# > >
# > > I need to get some longer shocks... the ride on Omega is a bit,
# > > well, choppy... and bouncy... but not a full bounce... at least
# > > not until the ends of the rancho 5000's mushroom and come apart. :)
# > >
# > > -----
# > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
# > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
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