From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jun 25 08:55:20 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, June 25 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3105 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: solution from so cal big tank fsj: weight info fsj: RE: weight info Re: fsj: RE: weight info RE: fsj: RE: weight info RE: fsj: RE: weight info fsj: Re: [db] other adventures RE: fsj: RE: weight info RE: fsj: weight info FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:07:46 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: solution from so cal big tank The article mentioned price of installation for the 98 gal tank... $1700. Time to change occupation. The other part of the article.... some pemex are refusing to refuel US trucks (unless corporate accounts)... they are running low on diesel at $2.50. The price is subsidized by the Mexican govrt, cost: $1.8 Billions.... Thank you for the insider on the dodge trucks.... Michel > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:58:30 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: solution from so cal big tank > > let's see... I saw a 100 gallon tank on craigslist... > combined with the existing 40 gallons I have... at 24 mpg on the > freeway... 1,700 miles down and back, 3,400 miles... > > 140 gallons * 24 = 3,360 miles - 3,400 miles... oh drat, would have > to cover 40 miles at $5.00 or so... > > actually, my uncle in Canyon Country, CA said Diesel was $5.99 down > there... I wonder if that was a mistake... > > Actually, I've secured a few more veggie oil sources... almost time > to consider a fuel heating system to supplement the biodiesel... :) > > guess it won't matter if I'm only getting 16 instead of 18 in town... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, michel balea wrote: > > # $2.50 a gal for gas so of the border. (in the Wall Street J).... people are > # starting to put big tanks and drive south for the weekend.... I wonder about > # the waiting in line to come back. > # > # Solution: put a big hose accross the border > # > # Michel > # > # > From: joe-at-j-hughes.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > # > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:47:35 -0700 > # > > # > Have you looked into a Cummins powered Dodge? The bottom ends in those > # > motors are bullet proof. The first gens are all mechanical and it's not > # > uncommon to get 20-30% more power by turning some screws on the pump. > # > > # > They're probably a little better MPG than the 7.3L, but not much. > # > > # > Joe Hughes > # > Everett, WA > # > 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > # > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # > 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > # > > # > -----Original Message----- > # > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > # > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:34 AM > # > To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > # > Cc: full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; diesel-benz list > # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] F250 Diesel 4x4? > # > > # > so what year extended cab, SHORT box F250 Diesel 4x4 > # > would I want to get to run wvo/bioD and Diesel? > # > > # > my Grand Wagoneer gets 16 in town and 24 on the freeway... not > # > much sense in moving to an F250 if it doesn't get at least 18 in > # > town... > # > > # > the other unresolved issue with the ride comfort... > # > > # > remaining issues on my GW: a/c wiring, cruise control cable bracket, > # > engine vibration reduction via stock mounts... maybe new carpeting... > # > > # > that little bantam jeep trailer seems to still be available, that > # > might be handy for moving wvo around... need to call the guy... > # > > # > would my 300D be able to tow a 600lb trailer with maybe another > # > 300lbs of wvo in it? 1,000lbs??? > # > > # > would a TDI be able to tow it? :) > # > > # > sounds like a possible solution to the oil movement problem... :) > # > > # > appreciate the wisdom of the list... you guys are fantastic. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # > > # > # There's something wrong with his. He should be getting more like > # > 13/18-16/22 > # > # city/freeway. Then again, his could be suffering from a bad case of > # "lead > # > foot > # > # syndrome." 8^) Those powerchokes will suck the fuel down FAST with your > # > foot > # > # on the floor. > # > # > # > # If you want to fool with the fuel though, DO AVOID the PowerChoke > # > diesels. > # > # They are fussy and expensive. The pre-powerchoke 7.3 turbo was a much > # > less > # > # fussy engine. Actually, the normally-aspirated version wasn't bad. I've > # > driven > # > # 2, and am actually very deeply involved with one right now (moving....) > # > and > # > # it's not the dog most people think NA diesels are. > # > # > # > # And the 6.9 was great, but they stopped making that in the 80s. > # > # > # > # J > # > # > # > # -- john wrote: > # > # saw a 99 on craigslist, emailed the > # > # guy... 13 hwy, 10 in town... say what? > # > # I think his was a 7.3... larger tires > # > # and lift... he didn't adjust his speedo... > # > # but still, that's horrible... > # > # > # > # that and my wife refuses to part with the grand > # > # cherokee (wj)... > # > # > # > # guess if I do find an econo f250 it'll > # > # only be my grand wag that goes... > # > # > # > # the adventure continues... > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # > # > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > # > # > # On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > # > # > # # This is my primary reason for sticking with an IDI. > # > # # You can build very nice IDIs. I'd get an early '94 > # > # # with factory turbo, put in the larger downpipe and go! > # > # # > # > # # Or get a Cummins! > # > # # > # > # # ;) > # > # # > # > # # Jim > # > # # > # > # # > Biggest problem I see with you having a powerstroke > # > # # > of that vintage is that the injectors are $250-300 > # > # # > each, and with ford issuing bulletins not > # > # # recommending > # > # # > biodiesel (much less SVO/WVO) in higher > # > # # concentrations > # > # # > than 5% or so, I wouldn't consider a first gen > # > # # > powerstroke for an alternative fuels vehicle. > # > # # > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i^Rm Talkathon. > # http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving > # _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: weight info was looking up how much a yard of gravel weighed and found this website: http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra2.html Density of gravel A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per cubic foot. So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.) So, when I haul two yards of gravel in my J10 hydraulic dump trailer that weighs 2,000lbs empty, I'm hauling 7,760 lbs... either behind my '91 Grand Wagoneer or '99 Grand Cherokee... the GW weighs about 5,600lbs... the GC about 3,950. No wonder the GC groans and creaks coming down the driveway... let's see... 5,600+7,760=13,270lbs or over 6.6 tons... I don't think I want to drive very far with that kind of weight... I think I need to fix my surge brake controller. :) that raccoon I hit with just the grand wagoneer didn't like the 5,600lbs much, first tire made a bit of jolt, second tire was barely a ripple... what is amazing is that the grand wagoneer actually got 24 mpg on the freeway... got to love those Diesels. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:24:21 -0700 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: weight info Just and idea, but why don't you make two trips??? Joe Hughes Everett, WA 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:56 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: fsj: weight info was looking up how much a yard of gravel weighed and found this website: http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra2.html Density of gravel A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per cubic foot. So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.) So, when I haul two yards of gravel in my J10 hydraulic dump trailer that weighs 2,000lbs empty, I'm hauling 7,760 lbs... either behind my '91 Grand Wagoneer or '99 Grand Cherokee... the GW weighs about 5,600lbs... the GC about 3,950. No wonder the GC groans and creaks coming down the driveway... let's see... 5,600+7,760=13,270lbs or over 6.6 tons... I don't think I want to drive very far with that kind of weight... I think I need to fix my surge brake controller. :) that raccoon I hit with just the grand wagoneer didn't like the 5,600lbs much, first tire made a bit of jolt, second tire was barely a ripple... what is amazing is that the grand wagoneer actually got 24 mpg on the freeway... got to love those Diesels. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: weight info two trips? :) where's the challenge in that? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # Just and idea, but why don't you make two trips??? # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:56 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: fsj: weight info # # was looking up how much a yard of gravel weighed and found this website: # # http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra2.html # # Density of gravel # # A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per # cubic foot. # So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a # cubic yard.) # # So, when I haul two yards of gravel in my J10 hydraulic dump trailer that # weighs # 2,000lbs empty, I'm hauling 7,760 lbs... either behind my '91 Grand Wagoneer # or # '99 Grand Cherokee... the GW weighs about 5,600lbs... the GC about 3,950. # No # wonder the GC groans and creaks coming down the driveway... # # let's see... 5,600+7,760=13,270lbs or over 6.6 tons... I don't think I want # to drive very far with that kind of weight... # # I think I need to fix my surge brake controller. :) # # that raccoon I hit with just the grand wagoneer didn't like the 5,600lbs # much, # first tire made a bit of jolt, second tire was barely a ripple... # # what is amazing is that the grand wagoneer actually got 24 mpg on the # freeway... # got to love those Diesels. :) # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:40:43 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: weight info Not to mention the fuel costs! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:25:50 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: joe-at-j-hughes.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: weight info > > two trips? :) > > where's the challenge in that? > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: > > # Just and idea, but why don't you make two trips??? > # > # Joe Hughes > # Everett, WA > # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis > # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Current DD > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > # Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:56 PM > # To: undisclosed-recipients: > # Subject: fsj: weight info > # > # was looking up how much a yard of gravel weighed and found this website: > # > # http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra2.html > # > # Density of gravel > # > # A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per > # cubic foot. > # So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a > # cubic yard.) > # > # So, when I haul two yards of gravel in my J10 hydraulic dump trailer that > # weighs > # 2,000lbs empty, I'm hauling 7,760 lbs... either behind my '91 Grand Wagoneer > # or > # '99 Grand Cherokee... the GW weighs about 5,600lbs... the GC about 3,950. > # No > # wonder the GC groans and creaks coming down the driveway... > # > # let's see... 5,600+7,760=13,270lbs or over 6.6 tons... I don't think I want > # to drive very far with that kind of weight... > # > # I think I need to fix my surge brake controller. :) > # > # that raccoon I hit with just the grand wagoneer didn't like the 5,600lbs > # much, > # first tire made a bit of jolt, second tire was barely a ripple... > # > # what is amazing is that the grand wagoneer actually got 24 mpg on the > # freeway... > # got to love those Diesels. :) > # > # ----- > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashbac k ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:45:19 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: weight info Doing my own combined trip (J4000 on the trailer and Cherokee on the back of the truck) http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03033.jpg http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03034.jpg http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03036.jpg _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] other adventures oh. but won't I fall off the edge of the earth? ;) actually, a few folks have driven from one end of NA to the bottom of SA. one of the other selected jeep owners for camp jeep in '98 did that: (this is a LARGE file, 1.0Gb) http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/Jeep-Owner_Stories-4Aug98-dvd.mpg my section of the camp jeep video is less, only about 30M: http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/Jeep-0wner_Stories-August-1998.wmv or is it this one, only 26M: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Old-Blue-JeepCamp-1998.wmv I am heading south on Friday... giving very serious thought to buying this trailer: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/t3 I figure some sand blasting, a little welding, new bearings/tires and I will have the perfect WVO hauler... they weigh about 485lbs empty... I may get a hitch for my 300D... we'll see... putting a barrel into my J10 hydraulic dump trailer would be nearly impossible... it sits so high off the ground, and I'm a runt. ;) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10-trailer/ http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2004/a-day-in-September/unloading-trees.jpg http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2004/a-day-in-September/xj-trailer-loaded-at-home.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # John... I think he meant that you should "keep" # driving even after the road ends... Get it? ;) # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > been there, done that... know every rest # > stop and in-n-out burger place along the way. # > pretty boring drive, especially in central CA. # > # > ----- # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: # > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # I suspect if you take I-5 southbound and keep # > going you'll eventually get # > # there. I expect lots of photos and a full report # > on your MPG! ;-) # > # Steve # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:53:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: weight info aren't you going to turn that thing into a trailer? what about the axles? :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Doing my own combined trip (J4000 on the trailer and Cherokee on the back of the truck) # http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03033.jpg # http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03034.jpg # http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/carnuck/trailer/?action=view¤t=DS C03036.jpg # # # # _________________________________________________________________ # The i'm Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. # http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: weight info http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/jeep-model-codes.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, michel balea wrote: # # # Thank you, too many 2 letter words to remember for my brain. # # M # # > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:28:11 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > Subject: RE: fsj: weight info # > # > # > WJ is the best. # > # > zj has poor suspension, poor # > fuel system and bad transmissiona, # > and they're ugly too. # > # > :) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, michel balea wrote: # > # > # # > # # > # This is the funny part about US and euro specs... the GVWR (in the US) and the real weight (F) are in in the specs sheets, but not both.... I learn from our FSJ sites, that the real weight is about 4700-4800 lbs.... last month I had the 74 on the scales: a bit under 4600lbs (No A/C, so skid plates... the bare model) # > # # > # And now perusing thru sites.... learnt that the ZJ is about 1000lbs lighter. # > # # > # And again... what is the best GC, the ZJ or the WJ..... too many acronyms. Which one do you have again? # > # # > # Michel # > # # > # # > # # > # > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:55:49 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: # > # > Subject: fsj: weight info # > # > # > # > was looking up how much a yard of gravel weighed and found this website: # > # > # > # > http://www.reade.com/Particle_Briefings/spec_gra2.html # > # > # > # > Density of gravel # > # > # > # > A cubic foot of dry, loose gravel with 1/4" to 2" stones is 105 pounds per cubic foot. # > # > So, a cubic yard is that times 27, or 2835 lb. (There are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.) # > # > # > # > So, when I haul two yards of gravel in my J10 hydraulic dump trailer that weighs # > # > 2,000lbs empty, I'm hauling 7,760 lbs... either behind my '91 Grand Wagoneer or # > # > '99 Grand Cherokee... the GW weighs about 5,600lbs... the GC about 3,950. No # > # > wonder the GC groans and creaks coming down the driveway... # > # > # > # > let's see... 5,600+7,760=13,270lbs or over 6.6 tons... I don't think I want # > # > to drive very far with that kind of weight... # > # > # > # > I think I need to fix my surge brake controller. :) # > # > # > # > that raccoon I hit with just the grand wagoneer didn't like the 5,600lbs much, # > # > first tire made a bit of jolt, second tire was barely a ripple... # > # > # > # > what is amazing is that the grand wagoneer actually got 24 mpg on the freeway... # > # > got to love those Diesels. :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. 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