From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jul 6 23:14:32 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, July 7 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3114 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: fotos - seat heaters fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #3113 fsj: heated seats, and leaking Diesel lines FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 23:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: fotos - seat heaters so, jeep nut, does this satisfy the technical questions on the WJ seat install? :) spent the better part of the 4th reading the WJ manuals and tracing wiring diagrams... tested the seat heater with a cigarette lighter test cord... need to regulate the heat some how... wife was able to sit on the heaters for about two miles before she asked me to unplug it. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, john wrote: # garden fotos: # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-05-garden/ALL.html # # on dialup, use this: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-05-garden/ # # # # from last weekend: # # drive up to Mt.Vernon: # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-28-mtvernon-stanwood/ALL.html # drive down coast to get Bantam trailer: # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-27-bantam-trailer-adventure/ALL.html # # # TECHNICAL: # # Still making improvement to the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L Diesel (24 mpg freeway!). # This weekend, seats... coming up better motor mounts to reduce vibration, an inline # fuel pump to help smooth out lower rpm operation, cruise control and finish up the a/c # setup... almost done... # # Today, swapped out the cloth WJ seats I had installed in my '91 Grand Wagoneer, # installed heated leather seats... not tan, and not the top of the line, but nicer... # # provided detailed pictures of where to drill and what wires to connect: # # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/Leather_WJ_seats-5-July-2008/ # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:37:20 -0700 From: griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #3113 On my Volvo 240 there are two heat settings, High which runs the seat and back pads in parallel so they both see 12V, and Low which connects them in series for 6V across each pad. As far as I can tell from the manual any heat regulation is internal to the pad and not a function of a sensor going to an external controller. If you let me know what resistance you heater pads have I can compare them to what I have and if they are close you may be able to run them unregulated. GAS > They have sensors and appear to switch the voltage to the heaters to > regulate them. > > They have two positions, hi and low (well, three, off). The > switches on the WJ > dash are not switches in the normal sense, but send a signal to the > body computer > which then regulates the temp of the pads to 100 deg F for low, and > 105 deg F for high. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:14:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: heated seats, and leaking Diesel lines jeep (and daimler chrysler) in their infinite wisdom chose to separate the control and leave that function to the body computer... the negative temp coefficient resistor as part of the pad has separate leads... so I need to use those leads to feed some sort of controller or regulater... wife actually is using it, with the cigarette plug right now. ;) she noted that the back heats more than the bottom, (they're in series right now), which helps her back... she's talking about taking a trip to portland in the Diesel Jeep to test out the seats... finds the back of them comfortable... whoo hoo... just need to get it running right again, another fuel line is leaking again and it won't idle... the ideas that my friend had just didn't work out... flared tubing and rubber hoses with a Diesel don't work... so I've been pulling lines, taking a bath in Diesel, using the tubing cutter to smooth the end and reattaching... also added an electric pump after the solenoid to feed the primary pump, that helps get it started quicker, but now the shutoff solenoid appears to have failed... :( I'm very happy my allergies are not bothered by Diesel and Biodiesel, if this were gas I'd be sick as a dog... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net wrote: # On my Volvo 240 there are two heat settings, High which runs the seat and # back pads in parallel so they both see 12V, and Low which connects them in # series for 6V across each pad. As far as I can tell from the manual any heat # regulation is internal to the pad and not a function of a sensor going to an # external controller. # # If you let me know what resistance you heater pads have I can compare them to # what I have and if they are close you may be able to run them unregulated. # # GAS # # # # >They have sensors and appear to switch the voltage to the heaters to # >regulate them. # > # >They have two positions, hi and low (well, three, off). The switches on # >the WJ # >dash are not switches in the normal sense, but send a signal to the body # >computer # >which then regulates the temp of the pads to 100 deg F for low, and 105 deg # >F for high. # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3114 **************************