From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 7 18:36:34 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, July 8 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3117 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 1989 GW needs happy new home Re: fsj: 1989 GW needs happy new home fsj: RE: problem aligning 727 torque converter Re: fsj: RE: problem aligning 727 torque converter fsj: Re: problem aligning 727 torque converter RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows RE: fsj: fotos - seat heaters RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:59:45 EDT From: TEXONBEACH-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 1989 GW needs happy new home Hi, Don't want to, but I've got to let the Waggy go to a happy new home. 106,000 overall miles; 3k on new motor in last 3 years. Great interior, good wood, no rust on frame. (Old paint, small rust are behind right rear wheel.) If anyone in Pa/NJ/Md/De is interested, let me know. (Vehicle in Wilmington, DE.) Thanks, Ted P.S. Ask about the Buicks, too. ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 1989 GW needs happy new home could this be related to fuel prices? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, TEXONBEACH-at-aol.com wrote: # Hi, # # Don't want to, but I've got to let the Waggy go to a happy new home. # 106,000 overall miles; 3k on new motor in last 3 years. Great interior, good wood, # no rust on frame. (Old paint, small rust are behind right rear wheel.) # # If anyone in Pa/NJ/Md/De is interested, let me know. (Vehicle in # Wilmington, DE.) # # Thanks, # Ted # # P.S. Ask about the Buicks, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:50:27 -0500 From: Zee Man Subject: fsj: RE: problem aligning 727 torque converter i have a little experience with these mostly when dealing with my gremlin.. 727 torque convertors are available with two different teeth combinations. So it is possible that maybe you have a 25 tooth and your trying it on a 27 that kinda thing... Also new convertors always went on extremely snug.. i always had to use transmission lube grease when installing... Hope any of this helps Bob> End of fsj-digest V1 #3116> **************************> _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs a talkathon ^V but it^Rs not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: problem aligning 727 torque converter zee man... he's not on the list and clipped the part with his email... see if you can find it and resend data to cc him... figured it was something like that... good call. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Zee Man wrote: # i have a little experience with these mostly when dealing with my gremlin.. # 727 torque convertors are available with two different teeth combinations. # # So it is possible that maybe you have a 25 tooth and your trying it on a 27 # that kinda thing... # # Also new convertors always went on extremely snug.. i always had to use # transmission lube grease when installing... # # Hope any of this helps # # # Bob> End of fsj-digest V1 #3116> **************************> # _________________________________________________________________ # It^Rs a talkathon ^V but it^Rs not just talk. # http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: problem aligning 727 torque converter could be a difference in tooth count... one of the guys replied to the list (forgot you) and said something about 25 vs. 27 teeth or some such... john email: "Deuty, Scott" ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Deuty, Scott wrote: # John, # I have a 727 in a 1986 J20. The old torque converter slid right back on the shaft but the CR55H that I bought refuses to go on past the first shaft. I have tried twisting and aligning the pump tangs to no avail. Can you suggest anything? # # # Scott Deuty, Senior Power Supply Design Engineer # (970) 898-1565 # HP Workstation Power # # ______ # _/ ______\_ # O[[[_____]]]O # |_\o--------o/_| # # ________ # _/_________\_ # [|||]___O___[|||] # \o___[__]___o/ # |__| |__| # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:20:13 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows I could not resist.... the bottom line is to get a WJ from europ w the diesel powertrain.... the best seats and the best engine.... hummm best engine... who is manufacturing that seat again? Cheers Michel > From: carnuck1-at-msn.com > To: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:34:21 -0700 > > Necessity is definitely a mother alright! > > Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > break through them > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > > From: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net > > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:52:59 -0400 > > > >> but when I looked at the passenger side I quickly realized it was not > > going to be simple... > > > > indeed. > > i suppose necessity is the mother of invention, aye? > > ;) > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john" > > To: "Neal Hoover" > > Cc: "full size jeep list" > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:45 AM > > Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > > > > > >> I thought about modifying the WJ base to work... cutting off > >> the tabs and setting it on the floor... but when I looked at > >> the passenger side I quickly realized it was not going to be > >> simple... > >> > >> john > >> > >> ----- > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Neal Hoover wrote: > >> > >> # i left the ZJ base & control motors in-tact. i did have to cut the > > feet off > >> # and fab up some feet to fit around the hump for the exhaust heat > > shield. > >> # kind of a funky ped, but it works and is rather solid. > >> # i think i posted some pics of it, but i'll scrouge to see if they're > > still > >> # lingering on my computer. > >> # > >> # Neal A. Hoover > >> # Project '76 J-10 > >> # Project '96 XJ > >> # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >> # > >> # > >> # ----- Original Message ----- > >> # From: "john" > >> # To: "Neal Hoover" > >> # Cc: "full size jeep list" > >> # Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:34 AM > >> # Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > >> # > >> # > >> #> how did you do the passenger side? I only recall > >> #> seeing what you did on the driver's side... > >> #> > >> #> john > >> #> > >> #> ----- > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> > >> #> > >> #> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Neal Hoover wrote: > >> #> > >> #> # heard that. > >> #> # i had a time making my ZJ seat bases work w/ my j-truck pan. > >> #> # > >> #> # Neal A. Hoover > >> #> # Project '76 J-10 > >> #> # Project '96 XJ > >> #> # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >> #> # > >> #> # > >> #> # ----- Original Message ----- > >> #> # From: "john" > >> #> # To: ; "full size jeep list" > > > >> #> # Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:02 AM > >> #> # Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > >> #> # > >> #> # > >> #> #> a bit of clarification... using the SJ power base with the WJ > > seat... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> the power base has the front and rear motors to raise/lower, and > > the > >> #> #> horizontal motor to go back and forth... that's all being done > > with > >> #> #> the SJ motors... the recline and lumbar functions are being done > > by > >> #> #> the WJ motors... using the stock SJ harness (power and ground > >> # mainly) > >> #> #> and the WJ connection into the seat, a 10 pin connector with a > > lot > >> #> #> of wires for the seat heater, seat belt, memory module, yada, > > yada... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> going to use two more leads for the seat heaters. :) > >> #> #> > >> #> #> the reason I'm mixing is that the bases of the WJ won't work on > > the > >> # SJ > >> #> # floor pan... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> pictures still in the camera. ;) > >> #> #> > >> #> #> ----- > >> #> # > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > > mold > >> #> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > >> # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> #> # > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> > >> #> #> > >> #> #> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, john wrote: > >> #> #> > >> #> #> # spent all day figuring out the wiring on my jeep seats... > > using > >> # the > >> #> # wiring > >> #> #> # from the WJ on the SJ... well, some of it... trying to use > > the > >> # WJ > >> #> #> # switches with the SJ motors... what a plate of spaghetti. :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # The cloth seats I used before were six-way seats, same as the > >> # GRand > >> #> # WAgoneer... > >> #> #> # so I just used the SJ switch and poked it through the Laredo > > WJ > >> # seat > >> #> # base... > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # But these leather seats are premium 10 way seats with > > lumbar... so > >> #> # rather than > >> #> #> # trying to separate the WJ switch pack and bugger up the seats > > I > >> # traced > >> #> # wiring > >> #> #> # diagrams and then spliced the WJ motor connectors into the SJ > >> # wiring > >> #> # harness. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # Next adventure is wiring up the seat heaters... won't be > > using > >> # the WJ > >> #> # computers though, they > >> #> #> # route that stuff through the body computer, only have the > > seat > >> #> # computer... They > >> #> #> # have sensors and appear to switch the voltage to the heaters > > to > >> #> # regulate them. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # They have two positions, hi and low (well, three, off). The > >> # switches > >> #> # on the WJ > >> #> #> # dash are not switches in the normal sense, but send a signal > > to > >> # the > >> #> # body computer > >> #> #> # which then regulates the temp of the pads to 100 deg F for > > low, > >> # and 105 > >> #> # deg F for high. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # So, I will need to find some kind of external controller for > > the > >> # seat > >> #> # heaters, or timer relays... > >> #> #> # Or just a simple SPDT with a light and watch my passengers > >> # squirm... :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # In addition, have good news in the fact that the seat module > > I got > >> # with > >> #> #> # the "new" leather seats isn't needed for my SJ install, so > > it'll > >> # go in > >> #> # my WJ and should fix the > >> #> #> # issue we have with those heaters... Didn't understand how > > the > >> # system > >> #> # worked before, and > >> #> #> # these limited seats had been dunked in a river... the module > > is > >> # not > >> #> # sealed... so it's > >> #> #> # probably corroded. :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # For dinner we went to town in the 300D and the driver's > > window is > >> #> # acting up... loud > >> #> #> # clunking noise when almost at the top... going up or down... > > won't > >> # go > >> #> #> # either way on its own now... had to force it up by hand. > > :( Is > >> # that > >> #> # the track that's > >> #> #> # gone bad??? Not looking forward to that repair... > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # Fixed my son's '85 300D window last night, turned out it was > > one > >> # of > >> #> # those wonderful german fuses, > >> #> #> # looked good, but it was rotten to the core. ;) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # john > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # ----- > >> #> #> > >> #> # > >> # > > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > > they > >> # mold > >> #> #> # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > >> # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> #> # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> #> #> > >> #> # > >> # > > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> # > >> #> # > >> # > > _________________________________________________________________ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:28:35 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: fotos - seat heaters > From: john > yeah, one difference between a J10 and a GW with a sunroof... > vertical adjustment... ;) > > my wife's head is nearly hitting the roof with the wj seat > on the sj base... she's only 5'10"... > > if I had done the bracket setup as you had she would have had > to ride with her head out of the sunroof. This is what happened when i tried the neon seats.... so they went in the wrangler. typo from earlier post I mean the diesel engine in the GC not the seat manufacturer Michel _________________________________________________________________ The i^Rm Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:35:06 -0700 From: "Eric Petersen" Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows Please do not copy me on messages...thank you Eric Eric Petersen Contractors Northwest,Inc. (o) 208-667-2456 (c) 208-691-7424 - -----Original Message----- From: "michel balea" To: "Jim Blair" ; "Neal Hoover" ; "fsj-at-digest.net" Sent: 7/7/08 6:23 PM Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows I could not resist.... the bottom line is to get a WJ from europ w the diesel powertrain.... the best seats and the best engine.... hummm best engine... who is manufacturing that seat again? Cheers Michel > From: carnuck1-at-msn.com > To: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:34:21 -0700 > > Necessity is definitely a mother alright! > > Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > break through them > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > > From: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net > > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:52:59 -0400 > > > >> but when I looked at the passenger side I quickly realized it was not > > going to be simple... > > > > indeed. > > i suppose necessity is the mother of invention, aye? > > ;) > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "john" > > To: "Neal Hoover" > > Cc: "full size jeep list" > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:45 AM > > Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > > > > > >> I thought about modifying the WJ base to work... cutting off > >> the tabs and setting it on the floor... but when I looked at > >> the passenger side I quickly realized it was not going to be > >> simple... > >> > >> john > >> > >> ----- > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Neal Hoover wrote: > >> > >> # i left the ZJ base & control motors in-tact. i did have to cut the > > feet off > >> # and fab up some feet to fit around the hump for the exhaust heat > > shield. > >> # kind of a funky ped, but it works and is rather solid. > >> # i think i posted some pics of it, but i'll scrouge to see if they're > > still > >> # lingering on my computer. > >> # > >> # Neal A. Hoover > >> # Project '76 J-10 > >> # Project '96 XJ > >> # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >> # > >> # > >> # ----- Original Message ----- > >> # From: "john" > >> # To: "Neal Hoover" > >> # Cc: "full size jeep list" > >> # Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:34 AM > >> # Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > >> # > >> # > >> #> how did you do the passenger side? I only recall > >> #> seeing what you did on the driver's side... > >> #> > >> #> john > >> #> > >> #> ----- > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> > >> #> > >> #> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Neal Hoover wrote: > >> #> > >> #> # heard that. > >> #> # i had a time making my ZJ seat bases work w/ my j-truck pan. > >> #> # > >> #> # Neal A. Hoover > >> #> # Project '76 J-10 > >> #> # Project '96 XJ > >> #> # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >> #> # > >> #> # > >> #> # ----- Original Message ----- > >> #> # From: "john" > >> #> # To: ; "full size jeep list" > > > >> #> # Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:02 AM > >> #> # Subject: Re: fsj: adventures with seats and windows > >> #> # > >> #> # > >> #> #> a bit of clarification... using the SJ power base with the WJ > > seat... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> the power base has the front and rear motors to raise/lower, and > > the > >> #> #> horizontal motor to go back and forth... that's all being done > > with > >> #> #> the SJ motors... the recline and lumbar functions are being done > > by > >> #> #> the WJ motors... using the stock SJ harness (power and ground > >> # mainly) > >> #> #> and the WJ connection into the seat, a 10 pin connector with a > > lot > >> #> #> of wires for the seat heater, seat belt, memory module, yada, > > yada... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> going to use two more leads for the seat heaters. :) > >> #> #> > >> #> #> the reason I'm mixing is that the bases of the WJ won't work on > > the > >> # SJ > >> #> # floor pan... > >> #> #> > >> #> #> pictures still in the camera. ;) > >> #> #> > >> #> #> ----- > >> #> # > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > > mold > >> #> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > >> # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> #> # > >> # > >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> > >> #> #> > >> #> #> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008, john wrote: > >> #> #> > >> #> #> # spent all day figuring out the wiring on my jeep seats... > > using > >> # the > >> #> # wiring > >> #> #> # from the WJ on the SJ... well, some of it... trying to use > > the > >> # WJ > >> #> #> # switches with the SJ motors... what a plate of spaghetti. :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # The cloth seats I used before were six-way seats, same as the > >> # GRand > >> #> # WAgoneer... > >> #> #> # so I just used the SJ switch and poked it through the Laredo > > WJ > >> # seat > >> #> # base... > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # But these leather seats are premium 10 way seats with > > lumbar... so > >> #> # rather than > >> #> #> # trying to separate the WJ switch pack and bugger up the seats > > I > >> # traced > >> #> # wiring > >> #> #> # diagrams and then spliced the WJ motor connectors into the SJ > >> # wiring > >> #> # harness. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # Next adventure is wiring up the seat heaters... won't be > > using > >> # the WJ > >> #> # computers though, they > >> #> #> # route that stuff through the body computer, only have the > > seat > >> #> # computer... They > >> #> #> # have sensors and appear to switch the voltage to the heaters > > to > >> #> # regulate them. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # They have two positions, hi and low (well, three, off). The > >> # switches > >> #> # on the WJ > >> #> #> # dash are not switches in the normal sense, but send a signal > > to > >> # the > >> #> # body computer > >> #> #> # which then regulates the temp of the pads to 100 deg F for > > low, > >> # and 105 > >> #> # deg F for high. > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # So, I will need to find some kind of external controller for > > the > >> # seat > >> #> # heaters, or timer relays... > >> #> #> # Or just a simple SPDT with a light and watch my passengers > >> # squirm... :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # In addition, have good news in the fact that the seat module > > I got > >> # with > >> #> #> # the "new" leather seats isn't needed for my SJ install, so > > it'll > >> # go in > >> #> # my WJ and should fix the > >> #> #> # issue we have with those heaters... Didn't understand how > > the > >> # system > >> #> # worked before, and > >> #> #> # these limited seats had been dunked in a river... the module > > is > >> # not > >> #> # sealed... so it's > >> #> #> # probably corroded. :) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # For dinner we went to town in the 300D and the driver's > > window is > >> #> # acting up... loud > >> #> #> # clunking noise when almost at the top... going up or down... > > won't > >> # go > >> #> #> # either way on its own now... had to force it up by hand. > > :( Is > >> # that > >> #> # the track that's > >> #> #> # gone bad??? Not looking forward to that repair... > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # Fixed my son's '85 300D window last night, turned out it was > > one > >> # of > >> #> # those wonderful german fuses, > >> #> #> # looked good, but it was rotten to the core. ;) > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # john > >> #> #> # > >> #> #> # ----- > >> #> #> > >> #> # > >> # > > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > > they > >> # mold > >> #> #> # http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: > >> # http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > >> #> #> # SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: > > http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > >> #> #> > >> #> # > >> # > > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> #> #> # > >> #> # > >> # > > _________________________________________________________________ > Making the world a better place one message at a time. > http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace _________________________________________________________________ Making the world a better place one message at a time. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_BetterPlace ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3117 **************************