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fsj-digest Tuesday, July 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3123
Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:
Re: fsj: A/C parts assist
RE: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist
RE: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures
RE: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
RE: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck.
fsj: Re: adventures with bioDiesel
RE: fsj: A/C parts assist #8
RE: fsj: A/C parts assist #8
Re: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck.
RE: fsj: parts assist
RE: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist
fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag
fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:36:31 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: A/C parts assist
10 mm is slightly bigger than 3/8". 8 mm is almost exactly the same as 5/16"
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: JeepNut
Subject: Re: fsj: A/C parts assist
Well... that's interesting as that is what I thought looked right.
I was mostly wavering over a #10 vs. #8 vs. metric argument.
I don't know why we haven't gotten this country fully metric after all
these years.
What the heck is a #10? I don't know how big that is... other than
being a little bigger than a 9 and smaller than an 11.
I know how big 24mm is. Fairly precisely...
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:39:29 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist
You happen to be signed up to the FSJ list. Every time someone sends an email
to fsj-at-digest.net, everyone signed up gets a copy.
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
From: "Eric Petersen"
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist
Why am I copied on all the messages...N
?
Eric
Eric Petersen
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:16:50 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures
I took the regulator and glass out of the doors of my J4000 (using the pass
side glass which still has the track in the driver's side of my '76 shortbox)
as well as some other parts. Rear axle is pretty much ready to come out (next
weekend) along with the rear hitch (have to use my torch on that) I decided to
put the 5th wheel hitch from my '81 Chev into the shortbed which already has
low geared J20 axles and will get the J4000's rear springs and overloads from
the red J20 I used to have. (I scored the rear axle from that and put it into
the J4000 several years back when I put a Ford axle into my '84 J10 Blackjack,
which is still awaiting me having time to play with it. Probably this winter
I'll get the LPG up and running on it)
I just have too many projects!
Saw a diesel Dodge truck lose his fuel line on hwy 2 east of Monroe. Don't
know if it was biofuel or not, but he leaked from Skykomish all the way to
Gold Bar before he ran out. (I helped push him and his trailer off the highway
with my Spirit. I was too tired to think of my camera at the time and
food/modern restroom were on my mind after being at the cabin all day)
From: john
Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures
spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid
on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel
line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal
with BioDiesel)...
pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater,
and just some nice pix of the GW.
http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/
Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the
driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy,
or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;)
http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/
other pictures:
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:31:28 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
As I just mentioned in another thread, last night someone lost their fuel line
coming down hwy 2 from -at-Skykomish to just before Gold Bar (truck quit on the
uphill/bridge just before town where there is no place to pull off or back up)
I was probably third in line behind him. Traffic would back up past the road
to my place in a big hurry usually when that stuff happens. Sunday night
traffic was backed up from Monroe to Startup because a truck swerved into the
ditch rather than hit some idiot that illegally crossed the double centerline
to pass headed the other way.
I just nudged the '82 Spirit up behind his trailer and said "Let's try it".
Was I ever glad I had just replaced the RH motor mount just before that! (PO
to Brian who put the motor in left ALL the bolts loose, including the
driveshaft Ubolts) I punctured my oil filter friday due to the sloppy motor
mount (which reminds me I need to recheck my oil)
I had just enough oomph to get him over the top before my motor hit the
high temp line and he rolled down to Reiter road to the shoulder. Line before
the fuel pump was ruptured for whatever reason, but I gave him my spare fuel
filter (my gas tank was full of rust so I carry 2 spares) and he got under way
in just a couple minutes by switching tanks. (I think I made a friend for
life. LOL!)
Funny part is, this is the second time someone has been stuck on the same
bridge just as I happen to be going by. (last time I was driving the Comanche
and I smoked what was left of my clutch pushing him over it)
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:11:42 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: xj-at-digest.net
> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
> Subject: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
>
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote:
> # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly
> (rest of the thread below...)
>
>
> it's a real concern for me... with dual tanks and yards of fuel line... :)
>
> my first trouble came on my '91 300D... had to replace all the high
pressure
> seal o-rings... then the fuel heater o-ring in line, after that it's been
fine.
>
> on my 6.2L Diesel I've replaced the section of rubber line from
> the primary filter to the lift pump three times now... and the short rubber
> section to the return line to the tank once...
>
> AND, the fuel cutoff solenoid...
>
> It might not bother a 240D, a masterpiece of simplicity and elegance, but
> it sure as heck bothers the rest of the Diesels. ;) (My son's '85 300D
> seems to be ok with the little bit he's run through his... so far.)
>
>
> but, I concur with you, no need to worry until the fuel is dripping or
> things seize up... no point in fixing something that ain't broke. ;)
>
> john
>
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> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/
> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote:
> # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly
> # overstated; 50+K miles on almost exclusively BioDiesel over the last 4.5
> # years in the old 300D, and we're still looking for any hint of a reason
> # to replace them. (i watch them like i would any fuel line in any 20+
> # year old vehicle, but i have no idea how old they were when i got the
> # car, either,...)
> # many people here in the fleet where i buy my BioD have had the same
> # experience after a few million collective miles on B100; and since fuel
> # line failure isn't catastrophic (but is preceded by much advance
> # warning), i'd say don't worry about it until you have an indication that
> # there's a need for it.
> #
> #
> # cheers!
> # e
> #
> #
> # Jim Blair wrote:
> # > I was checking into fuel lines for Biodiesel. Found out they need to
be
> # > different from regular diesel hoses. Napa doesn't carry anything
correct for
> # > it, but they are looking into it.
> # >
> # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> # >
> # >
> # >
> # >> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0700
> # >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> # >> To:
> # >> Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures
> # >>
> # >> spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid
> # >> on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel
> # >> line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal
> # >> with BioDiesel)...
> # >>
> # >> pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater,
> # >> and just some nice pix of the GW.
> # >>
> # >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/
> # >>
> # >> Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the
> # >> driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy,
> # >> or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;)
> # >>
> # >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/
> # >>
> # >> other pictures:
> # >>
> # >> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/
> # >>
> # >> john
> #
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
try pulling with a strap... it's better
than pushing... sounds like the same
problem I've been having with the rubber
line going into the lift pump... :)
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
#
# As I just mentioned in another thread, last night someone lost their fuel line coming down hwy 2 from -at-Skykomish to just before Gold Bar (truck quit on the uphill/bridge just before town where there is no place to pull off or back up) I was probably third in line behind him. Traffic would back up past the road to my place in a big hurry usually when that stuff happens. Sunday night traffic was backed up from Monroe to Startup because a truck swerved into the ditch rather than hit some idiot that illegally crossed the double centerline to pass headed the other way.
# I just nudged the '82 Spirit up behind his trailer and said "Let's try it". Was I ever glad I had just replaced the RH motor mount just before that! (PO to Brian who put the motor in left ALL the bolts loose, including the driveshaft Ubolts) I punctured my oil filter friday due to the sloppy motor mount (which reminds me I need to recheck my oil)
# I had just enough oomph to get him over the top before my motor hit the high temp line and he rolled down to Reiter road to the shoulder. Line before the fuel pump was ruptured for whatever reason, but I gave him my spare fuel filter (my gas tank was full of rust so I carry 2 spares) and he got under way in just a couple minutes by switching tanks. (I think I made a friend for life. LOL!)
# Funny part is, this is the second time someone has been stuck on the same bridge just as I happen to be going by. (last time I was driving the Comanche and I smoked what was left of my clutch pushing him over it)
#
# Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
#
#
# > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:11:42 -0700
# > From: john-at-wagoneers.com
# > To: xj-at-digest.net
# > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net
# > Subject: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
# >
# > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote:
# > # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly
# > (rest of the thread below...)
# >
# >
# > it's a real concern for me... with dual tanks and yards of fuel line... :)
# >
# > my first trouble came on my '91 300D... had to replace all the high pressure
# > seal o-rings... then the fuel heater o-ring in line, after that it's been fine.
# >
# > on my 6.2L Diesel I've replaced the section of rubber line from
# > the primary filter to the lift pump three times now... and the short rubber
# > section to the return line to the tank once...
# >
# > AND, the fuel cutoff solenoid...
# >
# > It might not bother a 240D, a masterpiece of simplicity and elegance, but
# > it sure as heck bothers the rest of the Diesels. ;) (My son's '85 300D
# > seems to be ok with the little bit he's run through his... so far.)
# >
# >
# > but, I concur with you, no need to worry until the fuel is dripping or
# > things seize up... no point in fixing something that ain't broke. ;)
# >
# > john
# >
# > -----
# > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
# > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold
# > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/
# > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL
# > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
# >
# >
# > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, ernest breakfield wrote:
# > # i've found this 'concern' over BioD affecting fuel lines to be highly
# > # overstated; 50+K miles on almost exclusively BioDiesel over the last 4.5
# > # years in the old 300D, and we're still looking for any hint of a reason
# > # to replace them. (i watch them like i would any fuel line in any 20+
# > # year old vehicle, but i have no idea how old they were when i got the
# > # car, either,...)
# > # many people here in the fleet where i buy my BioD have had the same
# > # experience after a few million collective miles on B100; and since fuel
# > # line failure isn't catastrophic (but is preceded by much advance
# > # warning), i'd say don't worry about it until you have an indication that
# > # there's a need for it.
# > #
# > #
# > # cheers!
# > # e
# > #
# > #
# > # Jim Blair wrote:
# > # > I was checking into fuel lines for Biodiesel. Found out they need to be
# > # > different from regular diesel hoses. Napa doesn't carry anything correct for
# > # > it, but they are looking into it.
# > # >
# > # > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
# > # >
# > # >
# > # >
# > # >> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:53 -0700
# > # >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
# > # >> To:
# > # >> Subject: fsj: adventures with Diesel and other pictures
# > # >>
# > # >> spent Saturday morning replacing the fuel shutoff solenoid
# > # >> on my 6.2L Diesel... doing much better... (replaced the fuel
# > # >> line Thurs eve, still need to get Viton or similar to deal
# > # >> with BioDiesel)...
# > # >>
# > # >> pictures of the process, and possible location for fuel heater,
# > # >> and just some nice pix of the GW.
# > # >>
# > # >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/FuelSolenoid-12July2008/
# > # >>
# > # >> Then, Saturday evening, I replaced the window regulator in the
# > # >> driver's door of the '91 300D (124 series). Not nearly as easy,
# > # >> or as much fun as the Injection pump work. ;)
# > # >>
# > # >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/WindowRegulator/
# > # >>
# > # >> other pictures:
# > # >>
# > # >> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-12-Snohomish-Omega/
# > # >>
# > # >> john
# > #
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:34:11 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:09:12 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: adventures with bioDiesel
Couldn't get past it. The bridge is so narrow that 2 semis can BARELY pass
each other and has been the scene of numerous accidents. Especially in winter.
I think it's the second narrowest bridge on hwy 2. (the one in Sultan is a bit
narrower. Truck/trailer combos can't pass if they are over width)
From: john
Subject: xj: RE: fsj: adventures with bioDiesel
try pulling with a strap... it's better
than pushing... sounds like the same
problem I've been having with the rubber
line going into the lift pump... :)
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:09:28 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: A/C parts assist #8
8mm is a tight 5/16 when using an allen wrench (discovered when i had to
split engine from trany, it has some allen screw) so you need to apply the
reverse for nuts an 8mm nut is a smaller 5/16.
And if you had to work on british bikes.... their fractional standard is not
the same as US fractional standard.
Michel
> From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com
> To: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: Re: fsj: A/C parts assist
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:36:31 -0700
>
> 10 mm is slightly bigger than 3/8". 8 mm is almost exactly the same as
5/16"
>
> Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
>
> From: JeepNut
> Subject: Re: fsj: A/C parts assist
>
> Well... that's interesting as that is what I thought looked right.
> I was mostly wavering over a #10 vs. #8 vs. metric argument.
> I don't know why we haven't gotten this country fully metric after all
> these years.
> What the heck is a #10? I don't know how big that is... other than
> being a little bigger than a 9 and smaller than an 11.
> I know how big 24mm is. Fairly precisely...
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:11:36 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck1-at-msn.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: A/C parts assist #8
AKA British Metric. That's probably where NASA got their Metric/Standard
conversion charts from that caused the Mars lander trouble a few years back.
8mm is a tight 5/16 when using an allen wrench (discovered when i had to
split engine from trany, it has some allen screw) so you need to apply the
reverse for nuts an 8mm nut is a smaller 5/16.
And if you had to work on british bikes.... their fractional standard is not
the same as US fractional standard.
Michel
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: How NOT to fill up your truck.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote:
http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j138/Jaydog1971/?action=view¤t=camera21.flv
So, Jim, what's the full story on this? where was this?
...did the guy survive???? that truck just collapsed like an aluminum can...
didn't they use rebar in those columns??? flimsy construction of the trailer,
truck AND the building...
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:02:08 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: parts assist
> From: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net
>
> i guess the trick is to schmooze someone behind the counter to spend some
> time digging to find the stuff. i think their electronic parts books don't
> go back past '84.
> Neal A. Hoover
the pdf that i got online... cover sj til 90. It was posted on YJ wrangler
board. When I looked in it, it has the SJ as well as the XJ. there are 2
versions 84-88 and 88-90 or so about 15 meg.
not to sure how to host them, but if i find the link i can add it to my sig.
the brake line from prop valve to rear axle that i ordered for the 85 GWag
fits the 74.
Michel
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:12:40 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Re: A/C parts assist
> From: john
> Subject: MB parts assist
> now, if it were a mercedes, you could get parts way, way back...
> just went to the Benz dealership and bought a part for my son's '85. :)>
> john
http://www.germanstar.net
http://www.masterautoparts.com
http://www.pelicanparts.com
some of these cover more than a few brands. We have ordered from pelican and
as long as you make sure the part is not back ordered it saves some time, but
those sun visors are still over $100/ea ( and any junkyard hunt reveals that
all sunvisors are gone...
Michel
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:26:54 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag
Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety switch. I
used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles, owned
for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has leaked
from any seal you can list.
Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier?
Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week standing
time, the cardboard was soaked.
Thanks
Michel
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:33:47 -0700
From: "Tesar Landon" <landon.tesar-at-freescale.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: NSS on 85 Gwag
The top shifter seal is really bad when it goes...
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Subject: fsj: NSS on 85 Gwag
Do i need to remove some trany fluid to replace the Neutral safety
switch. I
used the UV dye and ithas shown some glow around the area, 195 Kmiles,
owned
for the last 8k. Did a trany fluid flush after purchase. This think has
leaked
from any seal you can list.
Or do i have to remove the front driveshaft to make the job easier?
Still dripping somewhere above/side of the Tcase, after a 6 week
standing
time, the cardboard was soaked.
Thanks
Michel
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