From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Jul 19 11:54:27 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, July 19 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3129 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW fsj: a/c info fsj: a/c module? RE: fsj: a/c module? RE: fsj: a/c module? Re: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW Re: fsj: a/c info RE: fsj: a/c module? Re: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW Re: fsj: a/c info Re: fsj: a/c info fsj: EUREKA... found the connector... RE: fsj: tailgate FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW Omega is in sickbay, trying to get the a/c working properly... the wiring diagram info I have from the '91 appears to be incorrect... so we wired in a switch to toggle the a/c compressor... need to figure out how to make it work properly... anyone have a link to a correct diagram??? (I'm going to check my server... ;) The factory manual for '91 may be in error... :( thank you mr. mopar... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: a/c info hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: a/c module? is there an a/c module in a '91 GW??? we have the a/c working with a toggle switch to activate the compressor... I don't like being a thermistor/temp sensor... :) the schematics don't reflect reality... I wonder if something is missing... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:48:39 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: a/c module? Did you bypass the pressure switch to make it work? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:04:04 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net; Machine.ad-at-comcast.net > Subject: fsj: a/c module? > > is there an a/c module in a '91 GW??? > > we have the a/c working with a toggle switch to activate the compressor... > I don't like being a thermistor/temp sensor... :) > > the schematics don't reflect reality... > > I wonder if something is missing... > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: a/c module? no. it's in the system... the low pressure switch... is there a high pressure switch? if so, where? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Did you bypass the pressure switch to make it work? # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:04:04 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > CC: Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net; Machine.ad-at-comcast.net # > Subject: fsj: a/c module? # > # > is there an a/c module in a '91 GW??? # > # > we have the a/c working with a toggle switch to activate the compressor... # > I don't like being a thermistor/temp sensor... :) # > # > the schematics don't reflect reality... # > # > I wonder if something is missing... # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:57:38 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW I'm still half way between living and moving (after 9months) and don't have my MR253 or my FSM for the 92. I'll be over at my tool trailer this weekend and will grab them both in case the Admiral or anyone else needs something out of the 92 manual. What manual are you looking at for Omega? If not the MR253, I can check the schematic for comparison... john wrote: > Omega is in sickbay, trying to get the a/c working properly... > > the wiring diagram info I have from the '91 appears to be incorrect... > so we wired in a switch to toggle the a/c compressor... need to > figure out how to make it work properly... > > anyone have a link to a correct diagram??? (I'm going to check my > server... ;) The factory manual for '91 may be in error... :( thank > you mr. mopar... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:01:20 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days and play 5.... john wrote: > hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: a/c module? I just put pictures of the shop manual ref: a/c up: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ trying to find the a/c module... or at least the wiring that controls the compressor... have a switch wired up to the compressor right now to make it work.... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # High pressure switch should be on the compressor. (mind you, it's GM) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:56:44 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: a/c module? # > # > no. it's in the system... # > # > the low pressure switch... is there a high pressure switch? if so, where? # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # Did you bypass the pressure switch to make it work? # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > #> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:04:04 -0700 # > #> From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > #> To: fsj-at-digest.net # > #> CC: Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net; Machine.ad-at-comcast.net # > #> Subject: fsj: a/c module? # > #> # > #> is there an a/c module in a '91 GW??? # > #> # > #> we have the a/c working with a toggle switch to activate the compressor... # > #> I don't like being a thermistor/temp sensor... :) # > #> # > #> the schematics don't reflect reality... # > #> # > #> I wonder if something is missing... # > #> john # > #> # > #> ----- # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > #> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. # > # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! # http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: a/c wiring '91 GW I have the MR253 and the '91 factory service manual, just put the pages up... trying to figure out where the a/c module is and why my compressor isn't controlled by the dash unit: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # I'm still half way between living and moving (after 9months) and don't # have my MR253 or my FSM for the 92. # I'll be over at my tool trailer this weekend and will grab them both in # case the Admiral or anyone else needs something out of the 92 manual. # What manual are you looking at for Omega? If not the MR253, I can check # the schematic for comparison... # # # john wrote: # > Omega is in sickbay, trying to get the a/c working properly... # > # > the wiring diagram info I have from the '91 appears to be incorrect... # > so we wired in a switch to toggle the a/c compressor... need to # > figure out how to make it work properly... # > # > anyone have a link to a correct diagram??? (I'm going to check my # > server... ;) The factory manual for '91 may be in error... :( thank # > you mr. mopar... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, but not always... first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch for the compressor, need to locate that module: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ then the cruise control... :) then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days # and play 5.... # # # john wrote: # > hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:00:52 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info Mine's goofy but exactly opposite. Only works from the dash now. But I've had the tailgate apart oh SO many times over the years, and fiddled with the switch in the last year or two, making one "good" one from old broken ones. It was intermittant at the tailgate, but the paddle has come out of the housing again I'm sure and it doesn't work at all anymore. I just bought a new one and a switch for the dash too just for good measure...plastic stuff just doesn't last forever. It bends, distorts, dries out and gets brittle, and eventually the assy (rocker switch, paddle switch, etc) gets so far out of tolerance it falls apart or just breaks. Much like the door-glass tracks... BJ's has the switches. Hopefully you won't need the rear one...($) john wrote: > I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate > only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... > > well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, > but not always... > > first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch > for the compressor, need to locate that module: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ > > then the cruise control... :) > > then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: > > # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too > # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between > # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then > # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever > # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days > # and play 5.... > # > # > # john wrote: > # > hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: > # > > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html#4 > # > > # > ----- > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > # > SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: EUREKA... found the connector... been trying to get the a/c working properly on my '91 Grand Wagoneer... it's one of my Frankenstein projects... well, got the a/c working, more or less... with a switch... spent a few days with jim startup in everett... he worked all the leaks out of the system finally... (had custom a/c lines run to mate the gm compressor to the jeep system... of course gm has the compressor on the 6.2 on the ds, and the jeep has the compressor on the pass side...) keep reading about an A/C module... mechanic, listers, and the rest of of FSJ type owners just scratch our heads and figure it's a Mopar mistake in the schematics... never heard of such a device... well, I called my buddy curtis, and he took pictures of one of his parts mobiles and showed me what I desperately needed to see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning-PICTURES/A-C_module-front.JPG http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning-PICTURES/A-C_module-back.JPG the pictures aren't clear, and they don't show it in the jeep, but it was enough info for me to track down the harness and find a connector with NOTHING attached! :) not sure where it went, or why it went... I'm the 2nd owner of this fine example of AMC engineering perverted by Chrysler engineers, but that's ok... somewhere between the myriad of unqualified mechanics and a pack of joy-riding car thiefs and a Diesel conversion, the module went awol. Got a call into Olympic 4x4... I KNOW I'll find a module, somewhere, some how... then Omega will be complete and functional. :) yee haw... THANX CURTIS FOR THOSE PICTURES. THEY HELPED WONDERFULLY!!! john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:48:37 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: tailgate On the 85,the tailgate glass goes down from inside and up from outside only. I am working on testing it... at least i have 12v in an out of the dash connector at the tailgate..... but i ran out of the right size bullet connector to test the other connector... what a mess, between the timer for the tailgate window defroster... and as John mentioned the inaccuracy of the wiring schematics.... it is hard to find out what goes to where. I have the wires but the wrong colors.... The 74 is so much easier to test -and it only failed when the quick connect on the motor rusted. Michel - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:00:52 -0400 > From: thejeepnut-at-sbcglobal.net > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: a/c info > > Mine's goofy but exactly opposite. Only works from the dash now. But > I've had the tailgate apart oh SO many times over the years, and fiddled > with the switch in the last year or two, making one "good" one from old > broken ones. It was intermittant at the tailgate, but the paddle has > come out of the housing again I'm sure and it doesn't work at all > anymore. I just bought a new one and a switch for the dash too just for > good measure...plastic stuff just doesn't last forever. It bends, > distorts, dries out and gets brittle, and eventually the assy (rocker > switch, paddle switch, etc) gets so far out of tolerance it falls apart > or just breaks. Much like the door-glass tracks... > BJ's has the switches. Hopefully you won't need the rear one...($) > > john wrote: >> I wonder if I need a tailgate switch fixed... my tailgate >> only works with the key in the back, not from the dash... >> >> well... sometimes it'll go down... but not up from the dash, >> but not always... >> >> first, getting the a/c working without a manual switch >> for the compressor, need to locate that module: >> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/91-Wiring/AirConditioning/ >> >> then the cruise control... :) >> >> then a custom heated fuel tank for WVO. :) >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ >> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, JeepNut wrote: >> >> # yep, btdt, but I think I've got the R12 valves. I've been working too >> # much this week to have checked, but may get to this weekend between >> # pulling a heater core on the SJ, and installing a fixed radiator, then >> # the dreaded new tailgate switch and a wedding to attend.... whoever >> # arranged this working concept got it backward. We should work 2 days >> # and play 5.... >> # >> # >> # john wrote: >> #> hey jeep nut, weren't you looking for info like THIS: >> #> >> #> http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tom_Collins-oljeep.com/oljeep.com/gw/ac/edge_ac.html #4 >> #> >> #> ----- >> #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> #> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> #> http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ >> #> SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL >> #> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> # _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3129 **************************