From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jul 22 15:36:31 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, July 22 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3132 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... fsj: wiring connections for XJ cruise control servo fsj: xfr case almost in... fsj: Monday evening entertainment... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... JimB, did you read those regs? They simply do NOT apply in this situation... e.g.: 1) Diesel systems are permitted to use gravity feed... 2) end user mods are permitted under these sections 3) total gvw is less than 10k... 4) non-commercial use etc. QUOTE from Part 393: section 393.67 Liquid fuel tanks. (a) Application of the rules in this section. The rules in this section apply to tanks containing or supplying fuel for the operation of commercial motor vehicles or for the operation of auxiliary equipment installed on, or used in connection with commercial motor vehicles. ...even your informal, unofficial, user-based subjective, ill-informed internet forum of users from Australia didn't have regs pertaining to this: QUOTE: "They have three Vehicle Standards Information (VSI) sheets that I thought might help, namely 8, 20 and 22 but they were not relevant to diesel fuel tanks." ...none of these US (or international) regs apply to WASTE VEGETABLE OIL! just think Wesson or Crisco purchased at the store... :) If I were to begin making and selling these things it would be easy to obtain certification based on the requirements cited... If it were stinking gasoline, well, common sense would require EXTREME careful handling and following the safety standards, for excellent reasons... that stuff not only smells horrible, it's quite dangerous... IT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED as wasteful, polluting, inefficient and outdated... gasoline stinks. The plastic in the FSJ grille offers as much, or perhaps MORE danger in the event of an accident/fire than does the veggie oil, or even Diesel fuel. Burning plastic is toxic... burning veggie oil smells great... ;) Diesel, oil and vegetable oils are not spark ignitable, have not the issues of volatility or vapors and are not easy to ignite... of course when they do ignite they burn slower and hotter than gas or propane... more energy content... just as hard to extinguish... The biggest hazard of having waste veggie oil in a container like this is making a mess... that and it's going to be less than 5 gallons anyway... Jim, you need to get over your fear of compression ignition, real engines rattle, real engines don't have spark plugs... :) Ditch those spark plugs and get a real engine buddy... Diesel fuel rules, gasoline is for fools... :) The current plan involves a 5' section of black ABS sewer pipe, it's thick walled and has a number of standard fittings/couplings available, and it will permit direct taping of fittings for the fuel lines. I'm giving some thought to making a small frame mounted bracket to hold it, it'll extend forward of the brush guard and may offer a winch mount or at least tow hook straps... it'll also be more substantial than the current aluminum bumpers... we'll see... first I have to get the jeep moving under it's own power again... getting off my soap box... :) Jim, if you have any of the nuts that go on an NP xfr case I could use one... missing one on the top and my NP219 doesn't have any on it... you can also check out the Novak adapter setup... I have the NP219 sitting behind the jeep... will pull the nP228 tonight... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Before you get carried away, there are laws, and regulations you may wish to peruse. (Use other's loss to keep from making the same mistakes!) # # http://www.transferflow.com/fuel_tank_regulations.html # http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.asp?section=393.67 # http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/543-fuel_tank_regulations.html # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:42:35 -0700 # > Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... # > after I swap the xfr case that failed over # > the weekend, I'll start assembling the ABS # > pipe into a tank holding about 5 gals and # > strap it under the bumper to the brush # > guard. I guess I could carry a small # > bag of kitty litter in case it leaks. :) # > john # > # > ----- # > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # > # > # {- # On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > # {- # # I agree that it's not a significant fire or explosion hazard, but it # > # {- # # could provide a challenge for rescue personnel, a nasty mess for any # > # {- # # tow truck driver reaching under the front to hook something up, or # > # {- # # even a serious impediment to traction if it sprang a leak. # > # # > # This would still be my biggest concern if you use the PVC. You're # > # talking about eliminating any structural protection (from a normal # > # bumper) and replacing it with something that will leave a big mess if # > # the bumper is used for, well, a bumper. # > # # > # Heck, backing up and tagging something -- fencepost, corner of the # > # house, a big rock -- would probably immediately result in a big mess. # > # # > # And, of course, it won't protect your vehicle at all. (Don't bother # > # pointing out that modern vehicle bumpers also don't actually do # > # anything; that doesn't make it right. ;) ) # > # # > # I'd still be concerned with a potential mess with a metal bumper like # > # that, but if it were thick enough, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as the # > # PVC. # > # # > # I definitely wouldn't ask the vehicle registration people if they think # > # it's ok. I can't imagine DOT people would pass that for any kind of # > # safety inspection. # > # # > # If you're going to build something out of PVC anyway, why not figure out # > # a way to just build a custom tank to sit in the back of the truck? I'd # > # bet you could make it out of Plexiglas or something. You could make it # > # the size and shape you wanted. You could design it to prevent sliding # > # around in the back, be big enough to hold what you want and/or small # > # enough to be manageable, make it easily removable, put the custom drain # > # in the top (you could do a simple sloped top with a rim so you could # > # pour stuff in the top and it would drain down... or just do a hinged and # > # latched top and pour it straight in), maybe a spigot near the bottom or # > # something, maybe put in baffles to keep it from sloshing... All sorts # > # of options if you're going to build something anyway, and you'd # > # hopefully end up with something better for collecting veggie oil _and_ # > # leave the truck safer as far as the bumper is concerned. # > # # > # Or buy some cool jerry cans -- either keep them inside (won't spill like # > # a bucket) or do a mount on the outside, retro-Jeep style. # > # http://www.roof-rack-supplies.co.uk/accessories/jerry-can.htm # > # (That's just the first quick link I found; look around for something in # > # the U.S., obviously.) # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:40:36 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... john said: {- ...even your informal, unofficial, user-based subjective, ill-informed {- internet forum of users from Australia didn't have regs pertaining to {- this: QUOTE: Dang, vicious. {- If it were stinking gasoline, well, common sense would require EXTREME {- careful handling and following the safety standards, for excellent {- reasons... that stuff not only smells horrible, it's quite {- dangerous... IT SHOULD BE OUTLAWED as wasteful, polluting, inefficient {- and outdated... gasoline stinks. {- {- The plastic in the FSJ grille offers as much, or perhaps MORE danger in {- the event of an accident/fire than does the veggie oil, or even Diesel {- fuel. Burning plastic is toxic... burning veggie oil smells {- great... ;) {- {- Diesel, oil and vegetable oils are not spark ignitable, have not the {- issues of volatility or vapors and are not easy to ignite... of course {- when they do ignite they burn slower and hotter than gas or {- propane... more energy content... just as hard to extinguish... For the record, I agreed it wouldn't be a big risk of fire. I guess I can't speak for Jim, but I don't think he was saying that, either. {- The biggest hazard of having waste veggie oil in a container like this {- is making a mess... that and it's going to be less than 5 gallons {- anyway... Exactly. I was more worried about lack of protection for the truck, how easily it would be ruined if it bumped just about anything, and slightly with the mess it would make -- quite possibly on your driveway or in a parking lot (if it gets bumped). Not quite the environmental concern of gasoline or petroleum oil -- heck, the animals might come lick it up for you -- but still messy. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hate housework. You make the beds, you wash the dishes, and six months later you have to start all over again. -- Joan Rivers - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: [db] love the smell of bioDiesel in the morning... On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Dan Black wrote: # john said: # {- ...even your informal, unofficial, user-based subjective, ill-informed # {- internet forum of users from Australia didn't have regs pertaining to # {- this: QUOTE: # # Dang, vicious. yes, I was being just plain old ornery... :) Jim is so anti-Diesel... ;) agreed about the mess... the abs pipe is pretty tough stuff... chances are there won't be more than a few gallons in there at any one time anyway... just picture "Mr. Fusion" from back to the future... :) I may make something like that to hold the filtration... :) pour the waste oil directly in from buckets... or maybe get fancy and use a pump... we'll see... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- # For the record, I agreed it wouldn't be a big risk of fire. I guess I # can't speak for Jim, but I don't think he was saying that, either. # # {- The biggest hazard of having waste veggie oil in a container like this # {- is making a mess... that and it's going to be less than 5 gallons # {- anyway... # # Exactly. I was more worried about lack of protection for the truck, how # easily it would be ruined if it bumped just about anything, and slightly # with the mess it would make -- quite possibly on your driveway or in a # parking lot (if it gets bumped). Not quite the environmental concern of # gasoline or petroleum oil -- heck, the animals might come lick it up for # you -- but still messy. # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # I hate housework. You make the beds, you wash the dishes, and six months # later you have to start all over again. # -- Joan Rivers # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: wiring connections for XJ cruise control servo trying to figure out the pin out on a Cruise Control servo module... have one, not sure if it's from a '91 or '96... I'm thinking '96... I'm hoping Jim Blair will remember. ;) Anyway, I can't find the connector for it either... trying to adapt the cruise control from my '91 Grand Wagoneer to the XJ servo, since it appears to be in good working order and the one from the 6.2 and the original 360 were not... thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: xfr case almost in... need my son's help to finish lining up the xfr case... almost in... sitting on the trans jack mere inches away... have pictures, will post tomorrow... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Monday evening entertainment... ...or, the NP228 to NP219 transfer case swap: almost done, need to slide xfr case onto shaft, bolt in place, reconnect driveshafts and life should return to normal... (transfer case gave up the ghost on I-5 Saturday heading to Mt. Vernon, was able to make it home, the last two miles in low range... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/NP228-NP219-swap-21-22July2008/ http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/TECH-INFO/NP228-NP219-swap-21-22July2008/ALL.html for comic relief: http://www.comics.com/creators/wizardofid/archive/images/wizardofid2052400080722.gif john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com john's 6.2L GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ SAVE FUEL use AMSOIL Synthetics: http://wagoneers.com/AMSOIL - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3132 **************************