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RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia
fsj: Re: [db] today's adventure...
RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:43:20 -0700
From: Jim Blair <carnuck-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
I hear people in Iowa get excited about volcanos when someone piles dirt
higher than the manure pile!
Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10
> To: fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
> From: dan-at-black.org
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:20:52 -0500
>
> {- On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
> {-> I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
> {-> almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
> {->
> {-> but we do have better mountains here. ;)
>
> Kevin said:
> {- Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in
the
> {- ones we have here :)
>
> But which ones do you live in?
>
> John's comments were aimed at me, being in Iowa. Anyone in the Rockies
> definitely has better mountains than Iowa. Heck, the Appalacians (which
> someone on this list once ammusingly referred to as "nice foothills")
> are better mountains than Iowa has.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
Iowa? mountains? those two words don't seem to fit...
Iowa has beautiful rolling green fields... very nice place... perhaps
nicer than Illinois in many respects...
john
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Dan Black wrote:
# {- On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
# {- > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
# {- > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
# {- >
# {- > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
#
# Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net> said:
# {- Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the
# {- ones we have here :)
#
# But which ones do you live in?
#
# John's comments were aimed at me, being in Iowa. Anyone in the Rockies
# definitely has better mountains than Iowa. Heck, the Appalacians (which
# someone on this list once ammusingly referred to as "nice foothills")
# are better mountains than Iowa has.
#
# -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# Just remember: If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
# -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org --------------
#
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: fuel prices in British Columbia
any one know what fuel is going for in BC?
unleaded
Diesel
thinking of taking a trip up to Jasper/Glacier...
john
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: [db] today's adventure...
upon popular request: :)
here are the pictures of the latest adventure with wheels:
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-31-the-Blazer-adventure/
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-31-the-Blazer-adventure/ALL.html
nothing spectacular... didn't take a lot of pictures...
the Blazer wins the contest hands down... quiet, comfortable, in good shape
overall... couple minor issues to work on, mostly maintenance and clean up.
Midas (a franchise that does brakes and mufflers and has almost killed me
once because of a "free brake check", and ruined one of my jeeps by cutting
a hole in the exhaust and not putting it back during an estimate for a friend)
did the brake job for the previous owner, noticed this morning that the front
caliper was hanging... going to see if they'll honor the warranty...
The windshield is cracked, but not where it interferes with my visibility,
but since the windshield is dirty I may have it changed along with the
one on my benz.
The cruise control works perfectly. The a/c works perfectly. The seats
will be replaced with the WJ leather heated seats... heading over to
the wrecking yard to buy my cloth seats out of the WJ back to replace them.
Will put the stock SJ leather seats back in Omega. Trying to decide if
I'm going to take the IPF 800 series driving lights... a few folks have
commented about all the lights on the front of the Grand Wagoneer... ;)
Looks like my goal of going to two vehicles is going to happen. The Blazer
does what the Grand Cherokee does but on Diesel. Going to get the veggie
oil conversion setup for the Blazer. Will run the Benz on BioDiesel. I
suspect I'll drive my Benz to work to save fuel. My wife shouldn't have
any trouble driving the Blazer if she needs to go shopping. The Blazer
will be much easier to transport stuff... love the tailgate setup. Fantastic
mirrors and visibility.
It was clear within five minutes on the freeway that Omega was history... within
a few more minutes it became clear that the Grand Cherokee was also departing.
My wife started to go negative... noted how much larger the Blazer is than
the Grand Cherokee... but it's not that much bigger and only 0.8 inches
wider than my Grand Wagoneer... so I think we can overcome that issue. ;) The
Blazer does not feel large, not like my '83 Jimmy... that thing felt like a barge.
The Blazer has had a few upgrades... Smittybuilt Nerf bars, rain shields
on the windows, CD changer, the engine has been "chipped", the
turbo enhanced, the PMD module relocated (this is the issue with the 6.5L TDs,
the computer module sat on the intake manifold, expecting the coolant to
keep the chip cool... never worked as designed, so by relocating the module
to in front of the radiator one solves the problem completely.)
I have the original owners manual, looks like I'm the 3rd owner. The previous
owner bought it about 3 or 4 years ago and then upgraded the engine. The
original owner had the boost gauge and cd changer installed. Looking for
the original window sticker, have all the other info in the glovebox... ;)
so, there you have it...
It was a beautiful day... dirty windshield... soon as we got on I-90 heading west
we figured we'd have a lot of fun driving into the sunset... but the rain on our
side of the mountains solved that problem... was surprised to see sun this morning. :)
next on the agenda... emissions test... brake repair, recovery of original
seats for the WJ and then get the Jeeps prepped for sale.
The WJ will be up for $6500. It's a superb Jeep... nothing wrong with it...
Omega is up initially at $7500, have about $14k invested... have one offer
standing right now for $5500.
Trying to decide if I'm going to sell Superdawg ('83 J10 stepside that has
been in large pieces since 2001) as is, or put a driveline in it and sell it
that way... no reason to have it with two trailers... although I may sell
the '47 Bantam trailer... the Blazer won't mind a 2,000lb trailer... stock it
came with about 180hp and 340ft lbs of torque, and it's been chipped... it's
pretty impressive how much throttle response it has... I don't think it's
as fast as my '91 300D, but it's certainly very acceptable. :)
john
'94 Blazer 6.5L TD
'91 300D 2.5L TD
zu verkaufen: '99 WJ 4.7L V8, '91 GW 6.2L V8, '83 J10 no engine
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Andreas Kreft wrote:
# Am Freedag 01 August 2008, hest Du schrieven:
#
# > just got back from Tri-Cities...
# >
# > picked up a '94 Chevy Blazer with a 6.5L TD... very nice... thought
# > it was green from the pictures, but it's dark blue... needs some TLC,
# > mostly cleaning... ran out very nicely...
#
# C'mon, don't tantalize us! :-)
#
# Where are the pictures? Impressions? mpg? The malfunctions? ;-)
#
# Bursting with curiosity,
# Andreas (car-less, now going for an evening klatta in the parents' CLK)
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:24:21 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
We also have the tallest: Whitney... even if it does not as majestuous as
Rainier.
Michel
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:06:50 -0700
> From: john-at-wagoneers.com
> To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net
> CC: dan-at-black.org; fsj-at-digest.net
> Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
>
> well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent.
>
> but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and
> a variety of others with snow on 'em... :)
>
> john
>
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>
>
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote:
>
> # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in
the
> # ones we have here :)
> #
> # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
> # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
> # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
> # >
> # > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
> #
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:37:03 CDT
From: Dan Black <dan-at-black.org>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com> said:
{- We also have the tallest: Whitney... even if it does not as majestuous as Ra
{- inier.
That's weird. For some reason, I thought Cali had a 15K or two.
Wikipedia agrees with you, though, and says Whitney is only 14.5K.
That's not much taller than the ones in CO -- which, IIRC, has 63 or 64
14ers.
But that's also just contiguous U.S. Obviously, Denali (McKinley)
dwarfs all the 14ers, being the tallest in North America at 20.3K.
Heh, since AK has the tallest and would laugh at all the "contenders"
from the contiguous states that don't even hit 3/4 its height, it
reminds me of a joke:
One day the Alaskans got so tired of hearing Texas brag about how big
Texas is that they threatened to split Alaska in half and make Texas
the _third_ largest state.
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:23:44 -0700
From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
Two words: Sierra Nevada.
Mountains so awesome that they actually named GOOD beer after them. Yes,
I've had rainier...
Also of honorable mention are the white mountains, home to the aincent
bristlecone pine forest.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:06:50PM -0700, john wrote:
> well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent.
>
> but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and
> a variety of others with snow on 'em... :)
>
> john
>
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote:
>
> # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the
> # ones we have here :)
> #
> # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
> # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
> # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
> # >
> # > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
> #
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:56:40 -0700
From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 09:20:52AM -0500, Dan Black wrote:
> {- On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
> {- > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
> {- > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
> {- >
> {- > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
>
> Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net> said:
> {- Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the
> {- ones we have here :)
>
> But which ones do you live in?
>
> John's comments were aimed at me, being in Iowa. Anyone in the Rockies
> definitely has better mountains than Iowa. Heck, the Appalacians (which
> someone on this list once ammusingly referred to as "nice foothills")
> are better mountains than Iowa has.
I'm about an hour and a half from Tahoe, in California's gold country.
No, there ain't gold in them thar hills no more, but it's still a nice place
to live, with a lot of interesting history.
I thought he was comparing Washington scenery to California's ;)
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
yes, the Sierra Nevadas are fine mountains... a bit warm and
dry for my tastes though... I'll take the Cascades any day... ;)
Chinook Pass, Mt. Baker/Shuksan, Pilchuck, Index, Stevens Pass... ah yes,
green, cool and complete with snow year round, usually... :)
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/06-Jun-21-Yakima-to-Snohomish/ALL.html
http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/09-Sep-13-MtBaker-Shuksan-WA/ALL.html
john
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote:
# Two words: Sierra Nevada.
#
# Mountains so awesome that they actually named GOOD beer after them. Yes,
# I've had rainier...
#
# Also of honorable mention are the white mountains, home to the aincent
# bristlecone pine forest.
#
# On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:06:50PM -0700, john wrote:
# > well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent.
# >
# > but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and
# > a variety of others with snow on 'em... :)
# >
# > john
# >
# > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote:
# >
# > # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the
# > # ones we have here :)
# > #
# > # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
# > # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
# > # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
# > # >
# > # > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
# > #
#
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
you know what's funny?
after TWO posts to find out the cost of Diesel vs. Gas in BC I still don't know...
but have had a great discussion about mountains. ;)
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote:
# Two words: Sierra Nevada.
#
# Mountains so awesome that they actually named GOOD beer after them. Yes,
# I've had rainier...
#
# Also of honorable mention are the white mountains, home to the aincent
# bristlecone pine forest.
#
# On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 10:06:50PM -0700, john wrote:
# > well, you do have Shasta... it's pretty decent.
# >
# > but we've got the Olympics, Baker, Rainier, Adams, Helens and
# > a variety of others with snow on 'em... :)
# >
# > john
# >
# > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kevin wrote:
# >
# > # Oh, I don't know about that. Then again, I'm biased because I live in the
# > # ones we have here :)
# > #
# > # On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:29:20AM -0700, john wrote:
# > # > I keep forgetting I'm in a state managed by democrats and liberals,
# > # > almost as bad as california, but not as nice of an infrastructure. ;)
# > # >
# > # > but we do have better mountains here. ;)
# > #
#
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:26:17 -0700
From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
People would rather be outside enjoying scenery than remembering what it costs
for fuel these days, especially on a list where most of the vehicles on the
list get less than 14 mpg.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:31:16PM -0700, john wrote:
> you know what's funny?
>
> after TWO posts to find out the cost of Diesel vs. Gas in BC I still don't know...
>
> but have had a great discussion about mountains. ;)
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:31:22 -0700
From: Kevin <kevin-at-mordred.punk.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
Oh, and gasbuddy.com seems to have links to canada. Looking at that, it appears
as if there's a 10-15 cent premium for diesel over the "caution, may contain
gasoline" grade.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:31:16PM -0700, john wrote:
> you know what's funny?
>
> after TWO posts to find out the cost of Diesel vs. Gas in BC I still don't know...
>
> but have had a great discussion about mountains. ;)
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:37:03 +0000
From: michel balea <mbalea-at-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
the sierras are nice... if it is too warm, you go up.... too cold down.
As for dryness, there are some incredible remote lakes..... w fireroads so
bad... that it guarantees you premium spot even on 4th of july weekend... wo
any reservations. This is why i have the wagoneer.... really.
Michel
>
> yes, the Sierra Nevadas are fine mountains... a bit warm and
> dry for my tastes though... I'll take the Cascades any day... ;)
> >>
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
if any of my vehicles got less than 14 mpg I'd be quite despondent... :)
even my V8 Grand Cherokee usually gets about 15 in town... and it's now for sale. ;)
john
'94 Blazer 6.5L TD - expecting 16/20
'91 300d 2.5L TD - 30/35+
'91 GW 6.2L Diesel - 16-18/24 - zu verkaufen
'99 GC 4.7L V8 (gas) - 16/20 - zu verkaufen
'83 j10 - 0/0 (no engine right now. ;) - zu verkaufen
'67 J100 232 I-6 (gas) - no idea, it's out of gas and parked... - son's college grad present
'75 j10 trailer - 0/0 (no engine. ;)
'47 Bantam T3C trailer - 0/0 (no engine. ;)
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote:
# People would rather be outside enjoying scenery than remembering what it costs
# for fuel these days, especially on a list where most of the vehicles on the
# list get less than 14 mpg.
#
# On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:31:16PM -0700, john wrote:
# > you know what's funny?
# >
# > after TWO posts to find out the cost of Diesel vs. Gas in BC I still don't know...
# >
# > but have had a great discussion about mountains. ;)
#
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: Re: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
wow, only 10-15 cents... wait, times 4 that's close to the penalty here. :(
guess I need to fill up a big barrel of bioDiesel before leaving and
put it in the back. :)
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, Kevin wrote:
# Oh, and gasbuddy.com seems to have links to canada. Looking at that, it appears
# as if there's a 10-15 cent premium for diesel over the "caution, may contain
# gasoline" grade.
#
# On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:31:16PM -0700, john wrote:
# > you know what's funny?
# >
# > after TWO posts to find out the cost of Diesel vs. Gas in BC I still don't know...
# >
# > but have had a great discussion about mountains. ;)
#
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Canadian fuel costs?
it's nice that your fire roads are open... they've gated most of ours off. :(
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2008, michel balea wrote:
# the sierras are nice... if it is too warm, you go up.... too cold down.
#
# As for dryness, there are some incredible remote lakes..... w fireroads so
# bad... that it guarantees you premium spot even on 4th of july weekend... wo
# any reservations. This is why i have the wagoneer.... really.
#
# Michel
#
#
# >
# > yes, the Sierra Nevadas are fine mountains... a bit warm and
# > dry for my tastes though... I'll take the Cascades any day... ;)
# > >>
#
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