From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Nov 14 23:16:45 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, November 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3200 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: didn't get the WJ... RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... Re: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas Re: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas fsj: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... fsj: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: didn't get the WJ... the guy sold the dead WJ for $200 more than I offered... phew... that was a close call... that was looking to be a very expensive, time consuming and engineering intense project. beautiful jeep, but a major headache. So, the current plan is to get SuperDawg home and make him a Diesel... but first I have to finish developing a handful of computer science courses for the university and make it through an anniversary, birthday and thanksgiving... :) heading down to portland in the wj tomorrow... :) mini-vacation... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... now you're thinking... :) well, at least the TDI and XJ part... I'd want to use the AW4. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # I was thinking about that VW TDI 1.9L in the craigslist bolted to the 904 from my DJ and engine crossbar put into an XJ. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:02:26 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas john said: {- my buddy in Ohio says gas it $1.83 there... {- it's $2.27 for the cheap stuff here still... It's $1.84 ($1.839) at Sam's Club here. The gas stations along the road near my house are $1.90 ($1.899). I put 15gal in my '88 yesterday for under $30. Premium is $2.18, which is good, cuz I'll probably fill my car one last time for the season today or tomorrow. I'll be very happy if prices stay this low all winter; it makes it much easier since I'm driving the trucks. I still may try to scrape together the fundage to put the Edelbrock ported EFI on the '88 next summer or something, especially if I can sell the '74. But even if someone handed me one right now, I probably wouldn't attempt it before winter, simply because I'm afraid I wouldn't get it done before they start salting the roads. (I don't drive my car on salt, period.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper. -- Robert Frost - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:05:43 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] Cheap Gas I said: {- It's $1.84 ($1.839) at Sam's Club here. I forgot to mention, to clarify for those not in Iowa, that's our mid-grade. Our mid-grade E10 (10% ethanol; 89 octane, I believe) is a few cents lower than our low-grade (87 octane, I believe) because the state partially subsidizes ethanol. It's been that way probably as long as I've been driving (almost 20 years), maybe longer. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper. -- Robert Frost - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:48:35 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas I guess I'll have to go pickup a copy of that Diesel World mag. Joe Hughes Everett, WA 22 Willys-Overland Touring 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:15 AM To: Jim Hoffman Cc: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas what, you didn't see Joe's Willys pickup with the Cummins in it? it's sitting on a late '70's Cherokee chassis: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-22-transfer-cases-n-old-cars/JoesToys /ALL.html a buddy of mine is setting up his '56 Willys Panel for a 6.2L Diesel... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # OH! And, that copy of Diesel World is worth the price just to see # the pics of a 50's Willys pickup with a Cummins six cylinder in it!! # It is COOL!! Makes me wonder....... # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > From: Jim Hoffman # > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:37 AM # > Just picked up the latest copy of Diesel World magazine last # > night. # > What caught my eye was the cover article on "Diesel # > Engine Swaps" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:55:27 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... Then you would have to buy adapter$ to hook it up. The 904 in the DJ is made to bolt directly to the VW/Audi 2.0L motor, which has the same pattern as the diesel. Someone tried to tell me the VW diesel weighs more than a 258 or 4.0L and I had to laugh! They weigh about 100 lbs more than the 2.5L AMC motor maybe. (I've lifted both by hand and carried them. I can only carry a 4.0L short block nowadays) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:13 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... > > now you're thinking... :) well, at least the TDI and XJ part... > I'd want to use the AW4. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # I was thinking about that VW TDI 1.9L in the craigslist bolted to the 904 from my DJ and engine crossbar put into an XJ. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:31:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... good point... :) did I send the info on the TDI? you set the DJ up with TDI and I might just find a nice home for it. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Then you would have to buy adapter$ to hook it up. The 904 in the DJ is made to bolt directly to the VW/Audi 2.0L motor, which has the same pattern as the diesel. Someone tried to tell me the VW diesel weighs more than a 258 or 4.0L and I had to laugh! They weigh about 100 lbs more than the 2.5L AMC motor maybe. (I've lifted both by hand and carried them. I can only carry a 4.0L short block nowadays) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:23:13 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: didn't get the WJ... # > # > now you're thinking... :) well, at least the TDI and XJ part... # > I'd want to use the AW4. # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # I was thinking about that VW TDI 1.9L in the craigslist bolted to the 904 from my DJ and engine crossbar put into an XJ. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:29:10 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas Yea, I hope that isn't the stock frame. That is one nice looking ride. My chassis is actually a fully-boxed 74 Cherokee. I can't imagine a 6bt in an old Willys, because the 4bt has plenty of power. If fact it doesn't have any problems spinning my 35's, so that 6bt must me a monster in a 4000lb pickup. Joe H. - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:05 AM To: Joe Hughes Subject: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas Yeah, that red one is one heck of a nice lookin' ride! I'd love to build one myself. I have three '53 Willys Utility Wagons. I'm most curious what he did with the frame. I'm suspecting that the stock frame could not have carried that 1000+lb Cummins 6 cyl! What did you do with your frame for the 4BT? Even that weighs over 700 lbs! Jim - --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Joe Hughes wrote: > From: Joe Hughes > Subject: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:56 AM > Nope, mine's not that nice and I have a 4bt (4-cylinder) > cummins. > > This one is mine: > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-22-transfer-cases-n-old-cars/JoesToys > /ALL.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Hoffman [mailto:jslash-at-sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:55 AM > To: Joe Hughes > Subject: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas > > Is this your rig? Doesn't look like the one in the > pics that John > sent but then again you could have done more work to it... > > http://www.beastfromsoutheast.org/Troop183/Diesel_1.jpg > > Jim > > -- > Jim Hoffman > Oconomowoc WI > '39 Allis Model B > '53 Ford Golden Jubilee > '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener > > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Joe Hughes > wrote: > > > From: Joe Hughes > > Subject: RE: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas > > To: "'john'" > , "'Jim > Hoffman'" > > Cc: "'full size jeep list'" > > > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:48 AM > > I guess I'll have to go pickup a copy of that > Diesel > > World mag. > > > > > > Joe Hughes > > Everett, WA > > 22 Willys-Overland Touring > > 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee > chassis > > 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan > > 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD > > 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L > > 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On > > Behalf Of john > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:15 AM > > To: Jim Hoffman > > Cc: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list > > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas > > > > what, you didn't see Joe's Willys pickup with > the > > Cummins in it? > > it's sitting on a late '70's Cherokee > chassis: > > > > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/07-Jul-22-transfer-cases-n-old-cars/JoesToys > > /ALL.html > > > > a buddy of mine is setting up his '56 Willys Panel > for > > a 6.2L Diesel... > > > > ----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > > rust, they mold > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > > SAVE power, use LINUX: > > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # OH! And, that copy of Diesel World is worth the > price > > just to see > > # the pics of a 50's Willys pickup with a Cummins > six > > cylinder in it!! > > # It is COOL!! Makes me wonder....... > > # ;) > > # > > # Jim > > # > > # --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Jim Hoffman > > wrote: > > # > From: Jim Hoffman > > # > Subject: Re: [db] Diesel engine ideas > > # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > # > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 7:37 AM > > # > Just picked up the latest copy of Diesel World > > magazine last > > # > night. > > # > What caught my eye was the cover article on > > "Diesel > > # > Engine Swaps" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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