From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 19 12:19:28 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, November 19 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3203 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: xj: the '80 300GD RE: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD RE: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD fsj: RE: xj: RE: talking myself out of a 300GD fsj: Re: Not a bad price... fsj: the '80 300GD RE: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... RE: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: the '80 300GD wow, that's nice... a wee bit out of my price range though... ;) I actually sent an email to the guy with the 300GD... offered him 8k... with my luck he'll take it. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # * # http://tinyurl.com/5krqxt* # Hold out for a big one John ;-) # # Steve # # On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:52 PM, john wrote: # # > he was asking around 13.5, think he's down to 11.5... book value # > high is 9k. but since there aren't too many for sale.... ;) # > # > want to buy a nice J10?... it doesn't have any rust... or engine... ;) # > # > how about a nice 4" exhausted 6.5L Turbo Diesel 2 door Blazer? :) # > and a J10 hydraulic dump trailer... and an Itronix Gobook... # > # > let's see what else can I sell? :) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Tom Moulder wrote: # > # > # Just out of curiosity - how much does he want? I am amazed how well kept # > the # > # exterior is and how everything underneath seems like it will require a # > lot of # > # work... # > # # > # I love two doors and it is almost impossible to find them in Texas... # > # # > # # > # If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. # > # -Yogi Berra # > # # > # tm / Houston / 85 Jeep Cherokee, 2 dr. 2.5L, 4x4 # > # # > # # > # # > # john wrote: # > # > I looked at an '80 300GD last spring... the guy still has it and # > dropped # > # > the price... # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/80-300GD/ALL.html # > # > # > # > still too much money, but was wondering if I could put a turbo Diesel # > and # > # > AT into # > # > this, or at least swap out the 4spd for a 5spd... # > # > # > # > a 3.0L TD would help this thing a lot, it's not fast, but was # > comfortable # > # > to drive. # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:59:35 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD Does that van have the SOA axle or? If SOA, I may be able to set you up with some 3.73 axles soon (or possibly 4.10s) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:29:32 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD > > it's cheaper to drop the 460 in the panel than to regear from 3.07s > with 35's... ;) > > if you can't regear, reengine... :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Kevin wrote: > > # Oh god. If you're seriously considering doing that, I might be forced to > # come rescue it. Poor jeep deserves to be kept originalish, not moshed like > # crazy with a big block. > # > # On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:17:10PM -0800, john wrote: > # > '67 J100 panel - 232, but may get the Ford 460 V8/C6 from the '74 Javelin > # _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_1120 08 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD I don't know... stop by and take a look, and it's a panel, but if you give us lower geared axles you can call it whatever you'd like. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # Does that van have the SOA axle or? If SOA, I may be able to set you up with some 3.73 axles soon (or possibly 4.10s) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:29:32 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] talking myself out of a 300GD # > # > it's cheaper to drop the 460 in the panel than to regear from 3.07s # > with 35's... ;) # > # > if you can't regear, reengine... :) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Kevin wrote: # > # > # Oh god. If you're seriously considering doing that, I might be forced to # > # come rescue it. Poor jeep deserves to be kept originalish, not moshed like # > # crazy with a big block. # > # # > # On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:17:10PM -0800, john wrote: # > # > '67 J100 panel - 232, but may get the Ford 460 V8/C6 from the '74 Javelin # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:17:28 -0500 From: "Bob Brooks" Subject: fsj: RE: xj: RE: talking myself out of a 300GD John; I know what you mean!! Bob - -----Original Message----- From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:49 PM To: xj-at-digest.net Cc: 'cosmos'; 'full size jeep list'; 'David Ashby'; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; 'diesel-benz list' Subject: Re: xj: RE: talking myself out of a 300GD that's what I'm afraid of... :) I make low offers, ready to back them up and then sweat out the declination... ;) dodged the 4.7L WJ project by a mere $200! that was close... I'm afraid if I do make an offer he'll accept it then I'll really be in trouble. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Bob Brooks wrote: # John; # # Make him an offer at what you are willing to pay, you might be presently # surprised! # # Bob # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-xj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-xj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:17 PM # To: cosmos # Cc: xj-list; full size jeep list; David Ashby; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; # diesel-benz list # Subject: xj: talking myself out of a 300GD # # yes, these 300GDs are amazing vehicles... # # wrestling with even contacting this guy again though... # all started when I was even thinking about a KJ CRD... # # but... # # - don't have the money, # will need to take out a loan... # that would be REALLY stupid to do that... # - already have 5 vehicles... # that are paid for... would have to sell a couple... # - this 300GD will only get about 17 mpg (been reading on line about them) # - this 300GD with a 4 speed and I-5 Diesel will top out at 50mph. # 55 mph if I don't mind the screaming... # - this 300GD doesn't have a/c # - this 300GD doesn't have cruise control # - this 300GD doesn't have heated seats # - this 300GD looks rough underneath and inside # - if I want better performance, I'll need to swap in a newer Turbo Diesel # and AT... # and possibly regear it... it has very low gears now... # # if I could get the guy down to about 1/2 of what he's asking... it would # be an excellent candidate for a restoration and Turbo Diesel / AT swap... # # The 300GD is nice looking, quiet, solid, rides nice, handles ok, but is # a bit "sluggish" and limited in forward performance... nice feel # from the cabin... it is a very cool vehicle... but... # # the cold cruel facts are that my '94 Blazer with the 6.5L Turbo Diesel # already gets 17 mpg in town, and more on the freeway, can tow an ocean # liner, # is quiet (or was before the 4" exhaust, need to get a quieter muffler), # rides nice, # has a/c, automatic, a cruise control that is amazingly accurate, and most # importantly, is paid for... and it will run on WVO and/or BioDiesel... # # but it's not a jeep or a mercedes... and it's quite boring... and needs a # stereo # upgrade... ;) # # something tells me I should just get "over it" and keep the Blazer, put a # quieter muffler on it and install the stereo I already picked up at Frys... # ;) # # stay tuned as I try to figure out what to do with SuperDawg... first step is # to get him out of the black hole known as centralia... second step will be # to # reassemble what parts remain... third step is to determine what engine / # trans... # if I keep him... if not, well, I'll just put him back to stock and make him # right and put him up for sale... some how I have a feeling he'll end up # with a nice Diesel engine... ;) # # butter for your popcorn? :) # # john # '99 WJ 4.7L V8 # '94 K1500 6.5L TD V8 # '91 300D 2.5L TD I-5 # '83 J10 stepside - no engine (it went missing in centralia...) # '75 J10 trailer - no engine, unless you count the hydraulic pump # '67 J100 panel - 232, but may get the Ford 460 V8/C6 from the '74 Javelin # # other cars parked in the driveway: # '74 Javelin with said Ford 460 # '85 300D 3.0L TD I-5 # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, cosmos wrote: # # # Those trucks, especially the old diesel convertibles, have a place in my # heart ! # # # # On Tuesday, November 18, 2008, at 11:48AM, "john" # wrote: # # >been researching 300GDs... found this: # # > # # >http://www.rubicon-trail.com/public/gwagen.mov :) # # > # # > ----- # # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # > # # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... actually... I think I found a "project" J10 on CL that will provide me with one of these and a few other things... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # You need one of these!!! # # ;) # # eBay - 370088223656 # # Jim # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: the '80 300GD I listened to someone on the list, and made a low offer, and the guy is considering it... going to meet up with him and take a serious look at it... also found a dead J10 that has the parts I need to fix superdawg... life could get quite complicated if I bring home three additional vehicles... :) really need to think long and hard about the 300GD... it is a very real investment... it will increase in value over time... and I'll have lots of time to enjoy it because it's slow and the economy is going into the dumper. ;) anyone know what kind of mileage an '80 300GD with a 3.0L naturally aspirated I-5 with a 4 speed and 5.36 gears will get? the guy is claiming 21... not sure if that's free way or in town... A 5 speed transmission would be useful... anyone got one for a Mercedes? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:18:34 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... Always read the fine print: even in caps "THIS LONG BLOCK IS ASSEMBLED AS PICTURED AND FACTORY TESTED" what does factory tested mean? I also like the use of helicoil (which i do not like) but timesert is good. Of course you have no way of knowing the bill of health of the engine... how much over are all the parts, camshaft is optional as well. Michel > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:34:02 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... > > actually... > > I think I found a "project" J10 on CL that will provide me with one of these > and a few other things... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # You need one of these!!! > # > # ;) > # > # eBay - 370088223656 > # > # Jim > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:54:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... my bad, I wasn't talking about the new engine... wouldn't do that... should have changed the title of the email... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Michel Balea wrote: # Always read the fine print: even in caps # # "THIS LONG BLOCK IS ASSEMBLED AS PICTURED AND FACTORY TESTED" # # what does factory tested mean? I also like the use of helicoil (which i do not # like) but timesert is good. Of course you have no way of knowing the bill of # health of the engine... how much over are all the parts, camshaft is optional # as well. # # Michel # # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:34:02 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: Not a bad price... # > # > actually... # > # > I think I found a "project" J10 on CL that will provide me with one of # these # > and a few other things... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # You need one of these!!! # > # # > # ;) # > # # > # eBay - 370088223656 # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 # 12008 # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:18:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Kevin wrote: # I'm guessing he took your offer. # I'd be looking at ebay.de myself. # On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:00:46AM -0800, john wrote: # > anyone know where I can get a 5 speed transmission? :) well, he didn't exactly "take the offer", but said, "considering the market, let's talk". :) He's a practical guy... reasonable... nice young guy with good upbringing... ;) I don't know... it's a lot of money for something that is probably a very good investment... I think this is insane idea... so, you say, what's new? ;) checked on new gearing... just called randy's r&P... nada, zip, nothing... stuck with 5.38's or whatever is in these things... that's not an option... at least not through normal channels... some calls up into BC might produce better results... know of a euro style non-turbo 300DT (wagon) that's for sale... called on it... 4 speed... that's not an option... and it's overpriced too... $2k for manual windows, non-turbo, 4speed with mismatched fenders??? the automatics have a final of 1:1... that's not an option... a turbo would wind up tighter and move it easier, larger tires might help... found an article on putting 35's on it... not eager to take a sawzall to something like this though... that's not an option... Can I live with a top speed of 55 mph? Can I live with a 4 speed manual gear box in traffic? Can I live without a/c? (ok, that's a no-brainer in the Pacific NW) Can I live w/o cruise control? :) ok, for traffic as a daily driver probably... but as a good friend always says, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". :) I don't know... I think I should buy the J10 that's not put together and use the parts to build Superdawg... and build another J10 as a Diesel Project... Maybe a 300GD is beyond my socio-economic class. ;) Like I told the guy. I like the "idea" of the 300GD... but a 4 speed with no a/c and a top speed of 55 mph, even at 21 mpg, just doesn't make sense when I have a fully equipped 6.5L Turbo Diesel with a very good a/c, cruise control and a top speed that will get me in trouble even while pulling a trailer... :) and it's paid for... it's getting at least 17 in town now... and I don't drive it as much... should probably keep it until I get my J10 built... The J10 is a good investment too... but less practical as it only has one extra seat... the 300GD would do the WVO runs ok... but with a lighter trailer or in the back... A J10 is American... a 300GD is German... but since I'm both that doesn't help. :) dang, wish I had funds and facilities to get this thing... and keep what I have. :) reading an article about the g-wagens... the xfr case if fully syncronized so you can use low range to get a heavy load moving... shift into high and 2wd on the fly... have tried that before with my 2.1L TD XJ... didn't work all that well, but did work... :) my wife doesn't care what I drive... as long as we don't have a car payment and she doesn't have to ride in it or look at it... selling the blazer and my j10 will cover the cost of this thing... we'll use the WJ for trips and she'll drive the 300D for errands... so logistically it works just fine as a daily driver... but I'm still kind of choking on this one... timing isn't quite right... that and no one is beating down my door to buy the blazer... can't imagine why? ;) doesn't everyone want a chevy??? ;) the only reason I have one is it's a Diesel... I can't go wrong on buying the 300GD as an investment though... but I can't afford to make an investment right now. ;) how's the butter on that popcorn? ;) I'm thinking that the Blazer needs a quieter muffler... and that's a bit less expensive than a 300GD... anyone interested in this 300GD? I can meet with the guy, take detailed pictures and negotiate with him for you... I may end up selling myself on it... need more time with it... Once I have a full list of issues I can work on the price... They really do ride nice and are quiet... solid vehicles.... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3203 **************************