From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 19 21:42:04 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, November 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3204 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: more tech info fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: more tech info just found specs on the w460: 88 hp -at- 4400 rpm 172 Nm -at- 2400 rpm top speed: 127 km/h (79 mph) stock tire size appears to be 255 75 r15. 4,140 lbs curb weight... http://www.redcougar.ca/mb_g-wagon.htm hmmm... this means that pushing SuperDawg around with an MB TD isn't such a bad idea... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Kevin wrote: # Heh. FWIW, automatic toyotas and isuzus could have a syncronized transfercase # as well - it was an integral unit with the transmission. Kinda neat, actually. # # As far as G-wagens go, I ran into one on an FJ-45 run near tahoe. I took my # rusty BJ-60 out there to check out the rigs out there. Was quite cool. Anyways, # this one guy had a 300GD four door out there, and while his had lockers, he # had difficulty with it. Would you believe that 5.38s, low range, and first # gear was still not low enough to make it through some rocky spots? Probably # didn't help we were at 7000 feet or so, but still. He ended up having # starter problems (which would not surprise me in anything but a mercedes). # His was (is, he still has it) a non turbo as well, not sure about four or # five speed though. He eyeballed my BJ-60 while I had the hood up, and seemed # to think that mine was probably better suited to what we were doing than his, # and that was before I pointed out the ARBs. Not sure which would win a drag # race, probably the kid on the sidewalk with a big wheel, but the BJ-60 will # at least cruise fairly effortlessly at 70. # # Should you get it, I think overseas is about your only option for a five # speed. Putting in any mercedes automatic is not going to change your cruise # speed, and neither is a turbo - turbos and non turbos have the same 5000ish # rpm redline. # # To me, it sound like offing omega might not have been the best idea, since # it seemed to be what you wanted out of a vehicle. While you might not have # agreed with the engineering decisions, it had the space, power, and wheeling # capabilities you wanted. Another J10 would be cool to make, but take it from # someone who has done it - don't undertake another project of the same until # you've finished the first one off. This is why I have two 4x4 truck projects, # three FSJ projects, two dead hornets, ... well, you get the idea. Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... the '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's feel issues... can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a unique feel... Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. ;) Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry people... Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that will give me what I need for Superdawg: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colors/colors.html I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this one... the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) we'll see... I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until after the holidays to get serious... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:14:16 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 I think it was the track bars. It deadens the "feel" of the road too much. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... the > '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's feel issues... > can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a unique feel... > > Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. ;) > > Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry people... > Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that will > give me what I need for Superdawg: > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html > > I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colo rs/colors.html > > I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this one... > the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) > > we'll see... > > I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until after > the holidays to get serious... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 no, wasn't that... the '89 had 'em. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # I think it was the track bars. It deadens the "feel" of the road too much. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... the # > '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's feel issues... # > can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a unique feel... # > # > Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. ;) # > # > Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry people... # > Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that will # > give me what I need for Superdawg: # > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html # > # > I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colors/colors.html # > # > I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this one... # > the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) # > # > we'll see... # > # > I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until after # > the holidays to get serious... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:39:31 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 I thought they were removed? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:36:15 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 > > no, wasn't that... the '89 had 'em. > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # I think it was the track bars. It deadens the "feel" of the road too much. > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > > # > Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... the > # > '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's feel issues... > # > can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a unique feel... > # > > # > Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. ;) > # > > # > Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry people... > # > Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that will > # > give me what I need for Superdawg: > # > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html > # > > # > I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: > # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colo rs/colors.html > # > > # > I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this one... > # > the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) > # > > # > we'll see... > # > > # > I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until after > # > the holidays to get serious... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. > # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:39:15 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 track bar(s) I like them.... keep the Jeep on tracks.... not wandering. Nice J-10..... color is nice, the wheels are really good... I need to know how to polish mine.... The mother's does not last too long.... Even comes w a spare radiator. Michel > From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:39:31 -0800 > > I thought they were removed? > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:36:15 -0800 > > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net > > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 > > > > no, wasn't that... the '89 had 'em. > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > > > # > > # I think it was the track bars. It deadens the "feel" of the road too > much. > > # > > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 > > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > > # > > > # > Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... > the > > # > '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's > feel issues... > > # > can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a > unique feel... > > # > > > # > Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. > ;) > > # > > > # > Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry > people... > > # > Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that > will > > # > give me what I need for Superdawg: > > # > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html > > # > > > # > I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: > > # > > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colo > rs/colors.html > > # > > > # > I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this > one... > > # > the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) > > # > > > # > we'll see... > > # > > > # > I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until > after > > # > the holidays to get serious... > > # > > > # > john > > # > > > # > ----- > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ > > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com > > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > > # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > > # _________________________________________________________________ > > # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious > email. > > # > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 > 12008 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile.. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:17:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 nope... was box stock... the exhaust manifold had a gaping hole in it. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # I thought they were removed? # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:36:15 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 # > # > no, wasn't that... the '89 had 'em. # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # # > # I think it was the track bars. It deadens the "feel" of the road too much. # > # # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:36:00 -0800 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > # > # > Omega was ok... never really bonded with that FSJ... gas or Diesel... the # > # > '89 I had felt nicer... I thought that the Diesel would cure Omega's feel issues... # > # > can't explain it... :) it's even worse with XJs... each Jeep has a unique feel... # > # > # > # > Don't have too many projects in work right now, that's a good thing. ;) # > # > # > # > Superdawg has been my favorite FSJ... don't mind that it can't carry people... # > # > Found a J10 that's not running, but could be with a bit of work that will # > # > give me what I need for Superdawg: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html # > # > # > # > I'm even liking that color... compare colors at: # > # > http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colo rs/colors.html # > # > # > # > I'm even thinking that I could just move my stepside bed over to this one... # > # > the '80 roof is in better shape... ;) # > # > # > # > we'll see... # > # > # > # > I emailed the 300GD guy and said it's probably best to wait until after # > # > the holidays to get serious... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ # > # > SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. # > # http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_1 12008 # # _________________________________________________________________ # Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile.. # http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 I think that radiator is back under the hood where it belongs... talked to the guy tonight, just need to bolt up the accessories, add seats and gas... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html dragging it home on Sunday from ballard... bought it... Will move my good body onto this chassis as soon as I can get Superdawg back up from Centralia... have left numerous messages and emails but they've fallen into the void... the black hole... jeeps and communications fall in and rarely escape... ;) the 300GD is on hold for a while... we'll see... fwiw, track bars really don't make much difference on a leaf spring vehicle, not nearly as much as sway bars... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Michel Balea wrote: # track bar(s) I like them.... keep the Jeep on tracks.... not wandering. # Nice J-10..... color is nice, the wheels are really good... I need to know how # to polish mine.... The mother's does not last too long.... # Even comes w a spare radiator. # Michel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:39:19 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 It looks pretty nice. I like the wheels and the exterior is in decent shape. Joe Hughes Everett, WA 22 Willys-Overland Touring 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:28 PM To: Michel Balea Cc: Jim Blair; diesel-benz list; David Ashby; fsj digest; xj-list Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] 300GD vs 4.2L J10 I think that radiator is back under the hood where it belongs... talked to the guy tonight, just need to bolt up the accessories, add seats and gas... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/J10/ALL.html dragging it home on Sunday from ballard... bought it... Will move my good body onto this chassis as soon as I can get Superdawg back up from Centralia... have left numerous messages and emails but they've fallen into the void... the black hole... jeeps and communications fall in and rarely escape... ;) the 300GD is on hold for a while... we'll see... fwiw, track bars really don't make much difference on a leaf spring vehicle, not nearly as much as sway bars... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com/fotos/fotomeister/ SAVE power, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE yourself: http://freegift.com SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Michel Balea wrote: # track bar(s) I like them.... keep the Jeep on tracks.... not wandering. # Nice J-10..... color is nice, the wheels are really good... I need to know how # to polish mine.... The mother's does not last too long.... # Even comes w a spare radiator. # Michel ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3204 **************************