From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 14 14:25:40 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, December 14 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3221 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: fuel price in mukilteo... :) fsj: axle calculations fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: axle ratios fsj: snow, cjs and cascades FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: fuel price in mukilteo... :) I can stop by with one of my Diesels and help you drain that tank... that way you'll have room for the cheap stuff... ;) :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # Dang, I live 6 blocks from there, but my Willys doesn't need any fuel. It # still has $4/gallon diesel in it. With a 600-mile range and me using my CBR # for a commuter I don't fill up but once every couple of months. # # I guess with snow in the forecast I'll be driving the diesel Willys more. # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:58 PM # To: David P. Ashby # Cc: diesel-benz list; stef; full size jeep list # Subject: fsj: fuel price in mukilteo... :) # # wow. gotta check that out. # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, David P. Ashby wrote: # # # 2.099 for diesel -at- ARCO in Mukilteo 12-9-08. # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: "john" # # Sent: 12/09/2008 7:00:00 PM # # To: "stef", "full size jeep # list", "xj-list", "David # Ashby", "diesel-benz list" # # Subject: fuel prices in NL # # # # latest from stef... # # http://wagoneers.com/tmp/fuel-NL_09-Dec-2008.jpg # # # # too tired to do the math... :) # # # # john # # # # ----- # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # # SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:58:29 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: axle calculations Will use the 3.54 J10 axles from my '80 J10... the front axle on the cj-10a is 72", the J10s are 73"... of course I haven't looked at spring pads yet... we'll see if this will work... here's the RPM math: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/Axle-Plan-cj10a.pdf CURRENT 235's 31" tires (8.00x16.5) Gears: 3.54 4.88 Tires: 28.88 30.35 tach mph mph 2200 53.40 40.70 from the hp/torque curves found on the binder list 2250 54.61 41.63 it appears that 2200 - 2500 seems to be about the 2300 55.82 42.56 best range, although a bit under 2000 might be better 2350 57.04 43.48 2400 58.25 44.41 2450 59.46 45.33 2500 60.68 46.26 The CJ-10A will full ballast seemed to be able to do 40 mph heading up the hill on SR9... that could mean it's happy place is 2200 rpm. For what it's worth my '91 2.5L Turbo Diesel Mercedes 300D would have been doing well over 90mph by the time the CJ-10A hit 35... and the cj10a never hit the 55 mph speed limit... :) If I drive the CJ-10A daily it's typical cruising speed will be about 45 mph, so the rpms will be lower. my cj-10a bed and Dana 70 have to go... I'm sure they are way too heavy, and no functioning tailgate... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/ALL-9Dec2008.html the bumpers are 0.40 inches thick! The side wall is 0.130 or so... of course we used calipers over paint, but still... that's more than 1/4" of steel bumpers and 1/8" steel for the bed side walls... I'm wondering if I'll even be able to remove the bed by myself! :) Current thought is to build a lightweight aluminum alloy channel flat bed with my tool box from my J10 on it... tie downs for barrels (WVO) and put my barrel lift on the back... should reduce weight and allow me to move WVO around. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/10-Oct-26-barrel-lift-in-action-fall-colors/ALL.html As I said, decided to part out my '80 J10, using the 3.54 axles on my cj-10 with 235's, using the 258/T18/np208 in my '83 J10 Stepside... may turn the short box into another trailer that will be lighter and sell my current '75 Longbox J10 with the hydraulic dump... BTW, found this modified cj-10 on cj-8.com: http://www.cj-8.com/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=40&catid=15&PageNo= Wondering what kind of bed that is... almost looks like a cj tub... anyone know this guy? would love to hear how he got it this way.. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV247 1994 Chevrolet Blazer (K1500) 6.5L Turbo Diesel/AT - for sale 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (Shadowfax) 1986 CJ-10A 3.3L Diesel/AT 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) 4.2/T-5/NP208 (Superdawg) 1980 Jeep J10 Shortbox (SJ) donor for superdawg and cj-10a - PARTING OUT 1975 Jeep J10 long bed (SJ) hydraulic dump trailer - for sale 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel 232/T-85/D20 - for sale -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: axle ratios the spring perches in front match the J10! hoping the back do... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # I think you may be OK with 3.54s if you run 235 tires. They will be # shorter and thinner than the 31x10.5s I think you are on the right # track with going with an alluminium bed. It will be more expensive to # build but you wont regret it in the end. Also lose the heavy bumpers. # I tried to sell my dana 70 with no luck. RPMs will be fine at 55 mph. # You can run it at 2500+ RPMs with no problems. The governor will shut # itself down at 3200. Im sure you can put that thing on a diet and # drop about 500lbs between the bed and the bumpers. # # # --- In CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com, diesel john wrote: # > # > I'm thinking that bed is part of the issue... that's some serious # > metal... I measured the front axle last night... outside edge is # 72", # > my J10 axles is 73". :) # > # > swapping axles, putting an aluminum channel flatbed on the back and # making # > it 4wd are the first test phase... I'm really curious how much this # > thing actually weighs right now... bumpers are 1/4" steel... or # thick, maybe # > not that thick, but they can't be light... # > # > that and the 3.54s would be rolling with 235's, so the overall gear # ratio # > will be lower than if i were to use those 16.5's... need to figure # out the OD. # > # > might try to run this thing over a scale tomorrow... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > -------------------------------------------------------------------- # ---- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi? # zo=283461 # > -------------------------------------------------------------------- # ---- # > # > # > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # > # > # The IH scouts have 3.54s in them but most of them are turbos # with 4 # > # speed manuals. It may work but it would not do well on hills. # Your # > # tug has a really cool bed on it. It looks really nice. # > # # > # # > # --- In CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com, diesel john # wrote: # > # > # > # > If I removed some weight, swapped in J10 or GW axles, do you # think # > # 3.54's would work? # > # > # > # > I also have partial set of 4.10s... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > --------------------------------------------------------------- # ----- # > # ---- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, # they # > # mold # > # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > # http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > # http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi? # > # zo=283461 # > # > --------------------------------------------------------------- # ----- # > # ---- # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # > # > # > # > # With 4.09s it runs a little high on the rpms at 63. Top # speed is # > # > # about 72 but it will be absolutly screeming. 63 is # comfortable # > # on the # > # > # highway but 55 is its happy place. Be careful with rpm # > # calculators # > # > # that dont calculate thrust. You can be at 1800 rpm at # cruise but # > # have # > # > # no power to stay there. I would not go with any gear that # begins # > # with # > # > # a 3. Maybe 3.73 but its a risk. Even if you had a 4 speed # tranny # > # the # > # > # engine does not have the power to keep it in overdrive. # > # > # # > # > # --- In CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com, diesel john # > # wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > when you say you didn't want to go faster... was this # because: # > # > # > # > # > # > A) the engine was reving fast and you couldn't hear # anything # > # > # > B) the pucker factor was excessive, and it became a white # > # knuckle # > # > # experience # > # > # > C) the engine power dropped off so it wouldn't go any # faster # > # > # > D) the engine couldn't push it any faster because of wind # > # resistance # > # > # > E) the springs wanted to eject the occupants # > # > # > F) all of the above # > # > # > # > # > # > :) # > # > # > # > # > # > An engineer friend and I have determined that # the "optimum" # > # RPM is # > # > # > around 2200, give or take a bit... setting 60mph speed at # > # 2,000 rpm # > # > # was # > # > # > his suggestion... # > # > # > # > # > # > ... but that would put the RPM right at where you were... # > # > # > # > # > # > I'll be driving back and forth to work, max speed is # about 45 # > # > # mph... but # > # > # > if I head south I'll be on the freeway at 60... I doubt # I'd # > # take # > # > # this # > # > # > thing too far out of the puget sound area, maybe up # north, # > # speed # > # > # limit jumps # > # > # > up to 70 about 25 miles north of here... would hate to # waste # > # that # > # > # opportunity. ;) # > # > # > # > # > # > Anyway, primarily looking for fuel economy... can't # really go # > # fast # > # > # around # > # > # > here anyway because of traffic... # > # > # > # > # > # > I'll drive it to work tomorrow and see... all my # questions # > # will be # > # > # answered # > # > # > once I put my backside in that seat and drive it a few # > # blocks... # > # > # > # > # > # > ...hopefully it won't be like my wife's first ride in my # > # completely # > # > # restored # > # > # > '48 CJ-2A... about a block and a half into the ride she # wanted # > # out # > # > # of that thing. :) # > # > # > # > # > # > sold it on ebay the next week... # > # > # > # > # > # > this time the engine will get yanked and dropped in my # J10, # > # the # > # > # 258/T18 will # > # > # > go into the CJ-10a and will resell it... looking at the # specs # > # that # > # > # was a factory # > # > # > combination, so I'll keep it "original". :) # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------- # ----- # > # ----- # > # > # ---- # > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # rust, # > # they # > # > # mold # > # > # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > # > # http://freegift.com # > # > # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > # > # http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi? # > # > # zo=283461 # > # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------- # ----- # > # ----- # > # > # ---- # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > # I tried 3.31s and it didnt have any power at all. I # went to # > # > # 4.09s and # > # > # > # it worked well up to 63 MPH but didnt really want to # go # > # much # > # > # faster # > # > # > # than that. I have 31 in. tires. # > # > # > # # > # > # > # Scott # > # > # > # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # > # # > # # > # # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: snow, cjs and cascades putting up a few pictures from the trip over to the east side of the cascades... we got about 4" of snow here last night... going to get "very" cold (for us), it's around 29 degrees... got the cj-10a into the carport/shop... just in time for 4" of snow... pictures will be at: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/ (will be adding more... took a walk this morning and took about 500 pix. ;) we were over in Eastern Washington Thurs/Fri, had snow in the pass: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-13-Leavenworth-Cascades btw, how much wider is the cj-10a then the cj-5 or wrangler? is the cab the same? http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/CJs-compared.html I drove it down to the topsoil place that has a scale yesterday, but it was turned off... :( The starter solenoid is sticking, so that's another thing to do... not sure when the oil was last changed... and the fuel in the tank looks like coffee with cream instead of Diesel. :) Think I need to do some serious maintenance on this thing. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3221 **************************