From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 15 08:34:16 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, December 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3222 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Noise fsj: spring pad measurements? fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: door glass RE: fsj: door glass Re: fsj: door glass fsj: RE: snow, cjs and cascades RE: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 Re: fsj: door glass fsj: RE: snow, cjs and cascades RE: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:12:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Noise in the old days, when men were men and jeeps were jeeps... before the sissy one belt does all serpentines... one would set a v-belt so it had about 1/4 - 1/8" of play. give or take... one of my old manuals, the 1977 factory jeep manual says to use Tension Gauge J-23600. :) fat help that is. the haynes manual suggests using a straight edge across the pulleys, then deflecting the belt and measuring the deflection: for 7 - 11 inches the belt should deflect 1/4" for 12 - 16 inches the belt should deflect 1/2" note: make sure the ruler is perpendicular to the straight edge. The serpentine belt is not prone to stretching, so having a bit of play in the belt is fine, don't want it too tight or it'll wear on the bearings, too loose and it'll squeal. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 14 Dec 2008, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: # In a message dated 12/14/2008 5:51:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, # john-at-wagoneers.com writes: # # sounds like you need to adjust the belt to make it a little bit tighter... # it sounds like it's slipping. :) # # # # # # Is there some way to judge how tight it should be? # # Michael Hissom # # Fanatic Sturgeon Nutcase # (everyone needs a dream) # # **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and # favorite sites in one place. Try it now. # (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: spring pad measurements? Does anyone know what the distance on the spring pads are for the rear on the cj-10a? The front spring pads are exactly the same as my J10... next question is those are the same as the Wagoneers... took the cj-10a down the hill to the scale on Saturday, here's some pictures of the engine/springs, etc. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/ALL-13-Dec-2008.html I need to carry a tape measure with me... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/CJs-compared.html The CJ-10a appears to be as wide as my '99 WJ, which is about 10" narrower than my '94 K1500 Blazer. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 my son and I just measured the axles... fronts match the J10 - apx 34.5" outside edges of springs the rear of the CJ-10A is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes the rear of the J10 is about 54" to the edge of the spring boxes the rear of the '67 J100 Panel is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes. If I recall correctly, the J10 and Wagoneer front springs mount in the same place, but the J10 axles are wider overall. I found a pair of '79 Wagoneer axles on CL, the guy is checking the measurement of the spring pads and the gear ratios... looks like the '80 J10 may be spared from parting... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:06:21 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: door glass anyone know where i can source some new door glass for my j-truck? i'm looking for both the main door glass and vent windows. i checked BJ's and teamGW, but no dice there. thanks! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:41:06 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: door glass you need to measure the thickness of the window!..... around 77ish, AMC made the glass thinner... to save on ? $$$, weight... the thin glass will rattle in the thick glass slider.... the thick glass will not fit in the thin glass holder.... 74 has the thick glass... As for the vent windows.... the hinged on the slanted part changed.... and the older style has a hole in the glass. The easiest is to swap a whole door, which is what i did, but in your case, if I remember the truck has been newly repainted so it does not work. I have the old style glass somewhere.... Cheers Michel > From: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net > To: FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: door glass > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:06:21 -0500 > > anyone know where i can source some new door glass for my j-truck? > i'm looking for both the main door glass and vent windows. > i checked BJ's and teamGW, but no dice there. > thanks! > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There^Rs an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_1 22008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:59:16 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: door glass Michel Balea said: {- you need to measure the thickness of the window!..... around 77ish, AMC {- made the glass thinner... to save on ? $$$, weight... the thin glass {- will rattle in the thick glass slider.... the thick glass will not fit {- in the thin glass holder.... 74 has the thick glass... Hey, that's probably the problem with my '74, then! (Well, the problems with the window glass...) At least the driver's door, and probably the front passenger and maybe others, has glass that rattles when the window is down, and never seemed to fit quite right. I figured it was bad, old window tracks, but they probably replaced them with the wrong glass at some point. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I used to live in the real world, but I got evicted. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:22:45 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: RE: snow, cjs and cascades If that was after the little wind storm we had, the power could have been out at the scale. Almost 20% of homes and businesses were out. (power even flickered at NAPA and it went out at the Barber while I was in the chair) From: john Subject: xj: snow, cjs and cascades putting up a few pictures from the trip over to the east side of the cascades... we got about 4" of snow here last night... going to get "very" cold (for us), it's around 29 degrees... got the cj-10a into the carport/shop... just in time for 4" of snow... pictures will be at: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/ (will be adding more... took a walk this morning and took about 500 pix. ;) we were over in Eastern Washington Thurs/Fri, had snow in the pass: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-13-Leavenworth-Cascades btw, how much wider is the cj-10a then the cj-5 or wrangler? is the cab the same? http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/CJs-compared.html I drove it down to the topsoil place that has a scale yesterday, but it was turned off... :( The starter solenoid is sticking, so that's another thing to do... not sure when the oil was last changed... and the fuel in the tank looks like coffee with cream instead of Diesel. :) Think I need to do some serious maintenance on this thing. john _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:24:35 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 The CJ10 axles are same width as Wagoneer/Cherokee full size. Just watch out for which side you want the front driveshaft on! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:15:15 -0800 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: trust-at-lanl.gov; fsj-at-digest.net; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 > > my son and I just measured the axles... > > fronts match the J10 - apx 34.5" outside edges of springs > > the rear of the CJ-10A is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes > the rear of the J10 is about 54" to the edge of the spring boxes > > the rear of the '67 J100 Panel is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes. > > If I recall correctly, the J10 and Wagoneer front springs mount in > the same place, but the J10 axles are wider overall. > > I found a pair of '79 Wagoneer axles on CL, the guy is checking the > measurement of the spring pads and the gear ratios... > > looks like the '80 J10 may be spared from parting... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:29:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: door glass remeber that wagoneer doors are the same... finding j10 specific parts might be hard... but you probably knew that... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Dan Black wrote: # Michel Balea said: # {- you need to measure the thickness of the window!..... around 77ish, AMC # {- made the glass thinner... to save on ? $$$, weight... the thin glass # {- will rattle in the thick glass slider.... the thick glass will not fit # {- in the thin glass holder.... 74 has the thick glass... # # Hey, that's probably the problem with my '74, then! (Well, the problems # with the window glass...) At least the driver's door, and probably the # front passenger and maybe others, has glass that rattles when the window # is down, and never seemed to fit quite right. I figured it was bad, old # window tracks, but they probably replaced them with the wrong glass at # some point. # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # I used to live in the real world, but I got evicted. # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: snow, cjs and cascades what power failure? the display was red leds. :) we didn't loose power either ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # If that was after the little wind storm we had, the power could have been out at the scale. Almost 20% of homes and businesses were out. (power even flickered at NAPA and it went out at the Barber while I was in the chair) # # # From: john # Subject: xj: snow, cjs and cascades # # putting up a few pictures from the trip over to the east side of the cascades... # we got about 4" of snow here last night... going to get "very" cold (for us), # it's around 29 degrees... # # # got the cj-10a into the carport/shop... just in time for 4" of snow... # pictures will be at: # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/ # (will be adding more... took a walk this morning and took about 500 pix. ;) # # we were over in Eastern Washington Thurs/Fri, had snow in the pass: # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-13-Leavenworth-Cascades # # btw, how much wider is the cj-10a then the cj-5 or wrangler? is the cab the same? # # http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-14-SNOW-in-Snohomish/CJs-compared.html # # I drove it down to the topsoil place that has a scale yesterday, # but it was turned off... :( The starter solenoid is sticking, so that's another # thing to do... not sure when the oil was last changed... and the fuel in the # tank looks like coffee with cream instead of Diesel. :) Think I need to do # some serious maintenance on this thing. # # john # # _________________________________________________________________ # Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 thanx for confirming, had heard it before, but the tape measure verified. looks like the J10 may survive... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # # The CJ10 axles are same width as Wagoneer/Cherokee full size. Just watch out for which side you want the front driveshaft on! # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:15:15 -0800 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: trust-at-lanl.gov; fsj-at-digest.net; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com # > Subject: fsj: axles, J10, CJ-10A and J100 # > # > my son and I just measured the axles... # > # > fronts match the J10 - apx 34.5" outside edges of springs # > # > the rear of the CJ-10A is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes # > the rear of the J10 is about 54" to the edge of the spring boxes # > # > the rear of the '67 J100 Panel is about 47" to the edge of the spring boxes. # > # > If I recall correctly, the J10 and Wagoneer front springs mount in # > the same place, but the J10 axles are wider overall. # > # > I found a pair of '79 Wagoneer axles on CL, the guy is checking the # > measurement of the spring pads and the gear ratios... # > # > looks like the '80 J10 may be spared from parting... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. # http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3222 **************************