From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 23 08:27:10 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, December 23 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3228 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... fsj: snow in Snohomish RE: fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish fsj: at least, the Jeep prevails... fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish RE: fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... I've got a '91 300D, great car... even has limited slip rear end... but it's under at least a foot of snow right now. :) the 2.5L Turbo Diesel in my benz is a great engine... 30 mpg in town 0 to 60 in about 12 seconds top speed 121 mph... gets almost 40 on the freeway... my son has an '85 300D he's thinking of selling... he wants to put his Ford 460 from his '74 Javelin into our '67 J100 panel, he's found a c6/np xfr case to work it out. ;) he'll be selling the javelin body then as well. I'm going to give the blazer a test this morning, much new snow... it started, it passed the first test. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, winnbearden wrote: # I'm in the same dilemna as you as to what to drive....always been a # diesel man...usually drive gray (or black) market Land Rover diesels, # but a forced change of career has put them beyond my reach financially # for the time being...had to sell my beloved 2001 Defender 110 Td5..... # # Joined the list because I can pick up a -10a that's in great shape for # around 2k. My daily driver, Powerstroke Excursion, is at 286k miles # now, so I'm a little wary of it's dependability...I also picked up # a '85 280 GE at a great price, auto and has a/c, was going to do a # diesel conversion, but I got the 2.8 gas burner running so well, and # with the price of gas so much better than diesel, a conversion didn't # look so attractive...Was going to buy the CJ-10a, get it road worthy # and sell both the G and the Powerstroke. But now I'm leaning toward # just driving the G as is and ditch the Excursion and pass on the - # 10a .....(unless you want to buy the G and do a converison on it!) # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... I might add to my wish list... a 4x4 that can escape my driveway... :) with over a foot of snow on our very steep driveway... the blazer failed... the WJ failed... my feet failed... almost fell three times walking back down the drive... we have over a foot of snow... and it's right at freezing, 32... very sticky, slippery, thick stuff... not since 1996 have we seen snow like this... my neighbor parked their WJ up top and barely got out... the 45 degree slope that is our driveway was impassable to my 4x4s... at least my carport isn't a problem... not sagging, creaking or bowing like the old one did. :) john for histerical purposes, here's some stories from '96, and the resulting video from Camp Jeep 1998: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/escape.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/18wheels.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Old-Blue-JeepCamp-1998.wmv current fotos: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008 http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-19-Snow/ http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-18-Snow/ soon to have fotos: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Popcorn on, waiting in anticipation ;-) # # # On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM, diesel john wrote: # # > # > I'm going to give the blazer a test this morning, much new snow... # > it started, it passed the first test. :) # > # > john # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... and a winch. ;) in '96 after getting out of my drive I ended up in the upper field during the thaw, a friend with a winch had to retrieve me: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/escape.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/18wheels.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Old-Blue-JeepCamp-1998.wmv I haven't given up completely... working from home for now... I see snow falling off of the trees... might make another run at it... :) closer to getting pictures posted from the 21st and today. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, david-at-lang.hm wrote: # On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, diesel john wrote: # > I might add to my wish list... # > a 4x4 that can escape my driveway... :) # > with over a foot of snow on our very steep driveway... # # sounds like you need permanent winch anchors in place ;-) # # David Lang # # > the blazer failed... # > the WJ failed... # > my feet failed... # > almost fell three times walking back down the drive... # > # > we have over a foot of snow... and it's right at freezing, 32... very # > sticky, slippery, thick stuff... # > # > not since 1996 have we seen snow like this... # > # > my neighbor parked their WJ up top and barely got out... the # > 45 degree slope that is our driveway was impassable to my 4x4s... # > # > at least my carport isn't a problem... not sagging, creaking or # > bowing like the old one did. :) # > # > john # > current fotos: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008 # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-19-Snow/ # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-18-Snow/ # > soon to have fotos: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: snow in Snohomish On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Mac wrote: # I am eagerly awaiting these. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ALL.html Well Mac, wait no more, just put them up... :) enjoy... Might make another attempt at escape... :) car keys? camera? coat? ... no, first a nice strong cup of coffee... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... depending on where in Woodinville, yes, very steep driveways... up in hollywood hills they are quite steep... they are lower in elevation than we are though... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Michel Balea wrote: # # # # 45 degrees driveway.... time for a winch and a few big hooks along the ride.... of course at 32... it may be icy... stay warm. # # I remember being stuck in Woodinville around Xmas (24 years ago or so)... too steep of a driveway.... so we ate and cook for 4 days.... # # Michel # # > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:39:45 -0800 # > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net # > To: # > Subject: fsj: all I want for Christmas is an economical Diesel 4x4 daily driver... # > # > I might add to my wish list... # > a 4x4 that can escape my driveway... :) # > # > with over a foot of snow on our very steep driveway... # > # > the blazer failed... # > the WJ failed... # > my feet failed... # > almost fell three times walking back down the drive... # > # > we have over a foot of snow... and it's right at freezing, 32... very # > sticky, slippery, thick stuff... # > # > not since 1996 have we seen snow like this... # > # > my neighbor parked their WJ up top and barely got out... the # > 45 degree slope that is our driveway was impassable to my 4x4s... # > # > at least my carport isn't a problem... not sagging, creaking or # > bowing like the old one did. :) # > # > john # > # > for histerical purposes, here's some stories from '96, and # > the resulting video from Camp Jeep 1998: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/escape.html # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/18wheels.html # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Old-Blue-JeepCamp-1998.wmv # > # > current fotos: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008 # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-19-Snow/ # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-18-Snow/ # > soon to have fotos: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # Popcorn on, waiting in anticipation ;-) # > # # > # # > # On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM, diesel john wrote: # > # # > # > # > # > I'm going to give the blazer a test this morning, much new snow... # > # > it started, it passed the first test. :) # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # It's the same Hotmail.. If by "same" you mean up to 70% faster. # http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish Jim, Remember, I grew up in Wisconsin and Illinois... took my motorcycle exam on snow and ice in February in Woodstock, IL... and I've driven through the Alps, Pyrenes, Appalachians, Siskyous, Rockies, Cascades, Smokies and my driveway in the snow... and my driveway is the worst of them all. :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Oooooooo 12 inches of snow.... Oooooooo.... # ;) # # I guess out there four wheel drive just means getting stuck four # times as fast!! # ;) # # Jim # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: [db] snow in Snohomish # > To: # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:20 PM # > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Mac wrote: # > # I am eagerly awaiting these. # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ALL.html # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ALL.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: at least, the Jeep prevails... at last... I was able to escape... the WJ ('99 Grand Cherokee, 4.7L V8 - Quadradrive) made it out! The Jeep name has been vindicated... I put on a bit of a smoke show halfway up the hill, but made it... needed to go to the store, and the temperature dropped a bit, allowing more bite. Soon as I got back from the store I tried the '94 K1500 6.5L Turbo Diesel Blazer, all 3 tons of it on new m/s tires... it got almost to the top but wouldn't progress for anything... tried the paved drive, nothing... but smoke... It ended up sideways on the gravel drive, quite the "E-ticket" ride coming back down... getting three tons sideways on my hill and sliding down toward the Panel is NOT fun, especially when it's tipping toward my side... it wouldn't be so bad, but the slide is not linear in motion, it abruptly goes, then stops, and abruptly stopping sideways on a side hill in a three ton GM vehicle is simply not a recommended adventure. But wanting to be completely fair, I decided to make a run up the drive backwards... that did not end very well either... almost ended up in the neighbor's vegetable garden 20 feet over and 15 feet down... :) I figured the Blazer was going to be a yard ornament until things melted, but I got it out and put my big toy away... :) pictures (of course) at: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/12-Dec-22-escaped-2008 But, needing to get to work at least one day this week, I've parked my WJ up in the upper field... :) Have Jeep, will travel... sometimes it takes a couple of attempts to get out though. I am so looking forward to rain... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish come on down... you'll be a believer... just ask anyone who's seen it... :) there's a few guys on the list that have... at least one of 'em left on a tow strap with just a dusting of snow as well... :) I should catalog all the comments from folks coming down this drive, it's a good laugh... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Sure it is John, sure it is.... # # ;) # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 5:11 PM # > Jim, # > # > Remember, I grew up in Wisconsin and Illinois... took my # > motorcycle exam # > on snow and ice in February in Woodstock, IL... and # > I've driven through # > the Alps, Pyrenes, Appalachians, Siskyous, Rockies, # > Cascades, Smokies # > and my driveway in the snow... and my driveway is the # > worst of them all. :) # > # > john # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # Oooooooo 12 inches of snow.... Oooooooo.... # > # ;) # > # # > # I guess out there four wheel drive just means getting # > stuck four # > # times as fast!! # > # ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, diesel john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: diesel john # > # > Subject: [db] snow in Snohomish # > # > To: # > # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:20 PM # > # > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Mac wrote: # > # > # I am eagerly awaiting these. # > # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-21-Snow/ALL.html # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-22-Snow/ALL.html # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:39:22 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish Remember John, you still haven't driven mine in winter yet! Only time I came close to getting stuck in your driveway was when the 727 in Black Jack was on it's way out and I had to shut the truck off to engage low range (the first gear clutches were fried together) My '82 Spirit has been up and down your driveway several times (and I've been driving to and from work this week, including picking up co-workers) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:47:00 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish > > come on down... you'll be a believer... just ask anyone > who's seen it... :) there's a few guys on the list that have... > > at least one of 'em left on a tow strap with just a dusting of snow as well... :) > > I should catalog all the comments from folks coming down this drive, it's > a good laugh... :) > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Sure it is John, sure it is.... > # > # ;) > # > # Jim > # > # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, john wrote: > # > #> From: john > #> Subject: Re: [db] snow in Snohomish > #> To: "Jim Hoffman" > #> Cc: "full size jeep list" , "diesel-benz list" > #> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 5:11 PM > #> Jim, > #> > #> Remember, I grew up in Wisconsin and Illinois... took my > #> motorcycle exam > #> on snow and ice in February in Woodstock, IL... and > #> I've driven through > #> the Alps, Pyrenes, Appalachians, Siskyous, Rockies, > #> Cascades, Smokies > #> and my driveway in the snow... and my driveway is the > #> worst of them all. :) > #> > #> john _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:26:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... the jeep has bridgestone revo a/t's treads cleaned well... no buildup, left clear tracks... the blazer has bfg's treads cleaned well... no buildup, left clear tracks... both are m/s rated - because we like to go up into the mountains year round we are often in snow, I don't put tires on any of my vehicles that can't deal with snow... or wet roads either. ;) the blazer got out with the first few snow storms, but that last round separated the men from the boys... or the jeeps from the chevy's. ;) it was clearly a difference in 4wd systems... the quadradrive made the difference by adding two wheels to the mix... or true 4wd. if the blazer had l/s or lockers in both axles it might have made it... or maybe paddle wheels. ;) I don't think studded tires would have helped, the snow was simply too deep to get down to terra firma... heading in to my lab today, now that I can get out... in the WJ. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # I'm wondering if some of it may have to do with tires... I mean, # sure, you have a 4X4 but most of your weather is rain and clouds ;) # Not much snow so you may not invest in "snow" tires. I have # "snowflake" rated tires on my RAM diesel. Those tires have a very # aggressive tread. I just drove through 15-20" of snow in my yard # yesterday without a problem. And this was hard packed stuff. # Take away a few inches, add an incline and I still think those # tires would pull through. # # Jim # # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, diesel john wrote: # # > From: diesel john # > Subject: [db] at least, the Jeep prevails... # > To: # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:45 PM # > at last... I was able to escape... # > # > the WJ ('99 Grand Cherokee, 4.7L V8 - Quadradrive) made # > it out! # > # > The Jeep name has been vindicated... # > # > I put on a bit of a smoke show halfway up the hill, but # > made it... needed # > to go to the store, and the temperature dropped a bit, # > allowing more bite. # > # > Soon as I got back from the store I tried the '94 K1500 # > 6.5L Turbo Diesel # > Blazer, all 3 tons of it on new m/s tires... it got almost # > to the top but # > wouldn't progress for anything... tried the paved # > drive, nothing... but smoke... # > # > It ended up sideways on the gravel drive, quite the # > "E-ticket" ride coming # > back down... getting three tons sideways on my hill and # > sliding down toward # > the Panel is NOT fun, especially when it's tipping # > toward my side... it wouldn't # > be so bad, but the slide is not linear in motion, it # > abruptly goes, then stops, # > and abruptly stopping sideways on a side hill in a three # > ton GM vehicle is simply # > not a recommended adventure. # > # > But wanting to be completely fair, I decided to make a run # > up the drive # > backwards... that did not end very well either... almost # > ended up in # > the neighbor's vegetable garden 20 feet over and 15 # > feet down... :) I # > figured the Blazer was going to be a yard ornament until # > things melted, # > but I got it out and put my big toy away... :) # > # > pictures (of course) at: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/12-Dec-22-escaped-2008 # > # > But, needing to get to work at least one day this week, # > I've parked my WJ up in the upper field... :) Have # > Jeep, will travel... # > sometimes it takes a couple of attempts to get out though. # > # > I am so looking forward to rain... :) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3228 **************************