From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 23 13:48:28 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, December 23 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3229 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... fsj: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... fsj: RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: at last, the Jeep prevails... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:59:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... how come I don't see this snowflake on other sites? these are the tires on my WJ: http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/tires/bridgestone/product/byName.do?r=WASINT|pc|98203&tmn=Dueler+A%2FT+694+Revo&typ=Truck%2FSUV will look for the snow flake... I have a set of Blizzaks as well for my J10, I think they have that snowflake... the ones on the blazer talk about the same all season capabilities... no snow flakes, or flakes of any kind mentioned... will check those as well... I didn't buy them purposely for snow, but for fuel economy, but the guy recommending them, and the shop selling them said they were snow rated... the guy recommending them lives in Eastern Washington which gets a lot of snow... after extensive google searching I found useful info... guess it was a canadian thing... interesting article about Vancouver (about 90 miles north of me) and their green lawns... etc. :) http://www.canadiandriver.com/winter/tires/snow_tires.htm john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # But are they "snow flake" rated? Mine are!! ;) # # http://www.generaltire.com/tires/T5/Grabber-ATsup2-sup # # "The snowflake branded on the sidewall of a winter tire isn't there for decoration. The designation means the tire addresses three winter driving concerns: traction, cornering and braking. # # Snow-Rated Tires # People should be aware of the Rubber Manufacturers Association's Severe Snow Performance Marking. The mountain/snowflake symbol on the sidewall indicates a tire has a snow spin traction rating of 110 or higher compared to a standard reference test tire." # # Jim # # --- On Tue, 12/23/08, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: "full size jeep list" , "xj-list" , WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com, "diesel-benz list" # > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 10:26 AM # > the jeep has bridgestone revo a/t's treads cleaned # > well... no buildup, left clear tracks... # > the blazer has bfg's treads cleaned well... no # > buildup, left clear tracks... # > # > both are m/s rated - because we like to go up into the # > mountains year round # > we are often in snow, I don't put tires on any of my # > vehicles that can't # > deal with snow... or wet roads either. ;) # > # > the blazer got out with the first few snow storms, but that # > last # > round separated the men from the boys... # > # > or the jeeps from the chevy's. ;) # > # > it was clearly a difference in 4wd systems... the # > quadradrive made the # > difference by adding two wheels to the mix... or true 4wd. # > # > if the blazer had l/s or lockers in both axles it might # > have made it... # > # > or maybe paddle wheels. ;) I don't think studded tires # > would have # > helped, the snow was simply too deep to get down to terra # > firma... # > # > heading in to my lab today, now that I can get out... in # > the WJ. ;) # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # I'm wondering if some of it may have to do with # > tires... I mean, # > # sure, you have a 4X4 but most of your weather is rain # > and clouds ;) # > # Not much snow so you may not invest in "snow" # > tires. I have # > # "snowflake" rated tires on my RAM diesel. # > Those tires have a very # > # aggressive tread. I just drove through 15-20" of # > snow in my yard # > # yesterday without a problem. And this was hard packed # > stuff. # > # Take away a few inches, add an incline and I still think # > those # > # tires would pull through. # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Mon, 12/22/08, diesel john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: diesel john # > # > Subject: [db] at least, the Jeep prevails... # > # > To: # > # > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:45 PM # > # > at last... I was able to escape... # > # > # > # > the WJ ('99 Grand Cherokee, 4.7L V8 - # > Quadradrive) made # > # > it out! # > # > # > # > The Jeep name has been vindicated... # > # > # > # > I put on a bit of a smoke show halfway up the hill, # > but # > # > made it... needed # > # > to go to the store, and the temperature dropped a # > bit, # > # > allowing more bite. # > # > # > # > Soon as I got back from the store I tried the # > '94 K1500 # > # > 6.5L Turbo Diesel # > # > Blazer, all 3 tons of it on new m/s tires... it got # > almost # > # > to the top but # > # > wouldn't progress for anything... tried the # > paved # > # > drive, nothing... but smoke... # > # > # > # > It ended up sideways on the gravel drive, quite the # > # > "E-ticket" ride coming # > # > back down... getting three tons sideways on my hill # > and # > # > sliding down toward # > # > the Panel is NOT fun, especially when it's # > tipping # > # > toward my side... it wouldn't # > # > be so bad, but the slide is not linear in motion, # > it # > # > abruptly goes, then stops, # > # > and abruptly stopping sideways on a side hill in a # > three # > # > ton GM vehicle is simply # > # > not a recommended adventure. # > # > # > # > But wanting to be completely fair, I decided to # > make a run # > # > up the drive # > # > backwards... that did not end very well either... # > almost # > # > ended up in # > # > the neighbor's vegetable garden 20 feet over # > and 15 # > # > feet down... :) I # > # > figured the Blazer was going to be a yard ornament # > until # > # > things melted, # > # > but I got it out and put my big toy away... :) # > # > # > # > pictures (of course) at: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/12-Dec-22-escaped-2008 # > # > # > # > But, needing to get to work at least one day this # > week, # > # > I've parked my WJ up in the upper field... :) # > Have # > # > Jeep, will travel... # > # > sometimes it takes a couple of attempts to get out # > though. # > # > # > # > I am so looking forward to rain... :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't # > # > rust, they mold # > # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # > # > http://freegift.com # > # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:14:35 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... Scott, I'm heading in the same direction... The Nissan Diesel is attractive because it came in the Jeep and everything bolts up... That's why I bought my CJ-10A, for those two specific reasons... 1) it's got a stock Jeep drivetrain that saves me a lot of conversion issues, 2) it's a very solid and unusual jeep. I haven't decided what to do with it yet... we're still under a foot of snow and need to get my '83 J10 stepside home during the holiday break. The Cj-10a is very cool... I may remove the bed and use the 4.10 rear axle from my '83 stepside and switch it over to 3.54's from my '80 J10... lots of wrenching, but in the end I'll have two Jeeps that are unique and work... if the CJ-10A works with the 4.10 gears and 235s then I'll regear the front axle and build a small box for it and either drive it as is or sell it... or even do a swap in it. I was giving serious thought to buying a SD33T for $650, the specs looked promising, but one of the folks on the Diesel Benz list had one in a Scout and still thought it was gutless. I drove one in a Terra a while back and while I could live with it, it's just a lot of work to swap engines or move that drivetrain to my '83 J10 stepside. That and the parts issues concern me. One of my friends cited parts sources like Forklifts Northwest up here in the Puget Sound and Jasco engines down in CA... but it still makes me a bit nervous to have something that you can't walk into a McParts store and find what you need... I loved walking into a parts store and asking for parts for an '83 K2500 6.2L Diesel and the guy was staring at my '91 Grand Wagoneer. :) I may do another 6.2L Diesel conversion, a buddy of mine is going forward with one in his '56 Willys Panel and will have essentially complete running gear left over after dismantling a 3/4T pickup and Suburban... I'm even considering buying my '91 Grand Wagoneer back... the folks that got it off of ebay back east are in over there heads... I warned them, but they've been plagued with all kinds of minor issues. I feel bad for them... I gave them the typical Full Size Jeep warning: If you want a Full Size Jeep you must pass the following test: 1) Are you a Mechanic? 2) Are you married to a Mechanic? 3) Are you related to a Mechanic? 4) Are you independently wealthy and know a good Mechanic? If you can't pass that test, I recommend getting a nice photograph of a Full Size Jeep... Not that they are unreliable or trouble prone, mine have always gotten me home, even when I was up in the snow level in the mountains in August and busted something... but they will irritate you with all kinds of little issues... like that rear tailgate window, I fear that thing... that's why I switched my FSJ preference to J10s. :) My '91 didn't have trouble with the rear window, but I rarely used it... one of the reasons I went for the Blazer with the lift rear window... but guess what? That stupid thing doesn't always release and I have to walk to the back of the truck several times... argghhhh... I must be destined to have a Pickup Truck, eh? :) Or maybe I should get another XJ Cherokee and put a Mercedes Diesel in it. :) It's all an adventure. :) Anyway, the CJ-10A is still in my shop, protected from the snow... my son and I are going to see if it'll make it out of the drive as is. :) The starter relay has been giving me fits, but we'll get it going maybe tonight or tomorrow... tomorrow in daylight would be better. :) Looks like we're going to have a White Christmas in Seattle... first one since 1990. Merry Christmas all... may your new year be filled with lots of Jeep (and Diesel) adventures... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Scott Hyde wrote: # I spent some time in my new tug today and I think I have decided to go with something other than the SD33. 4.88 gears out back with the stock tires on her and she will barely climb a hill. She has 19K miles on it and seems to be absolutely helpless. I talked myself into using the SD33 for fuel economy but with no power, the Jeep is kind of useless. # Scott A. Hyde # NRA Life Member # NRA Certified Rifle and Pistol Instructor # USPSA Member ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... You know I've been thinking about that... was wondering if the Rover, which was built on the Jeep Wagoneer design would do better than some of the newer Jeeps. I'd love to test out a Gelandewagen, Rover, Grand Cherokee, Grand Wagoneer and a few others just to see for myself... I wonder if the luxury asian import 4x4 wagons have anything going for them too. I watch the blazers, suburans, expeditions and explorers slip and slide a bit but make it... don't see a lot of the GLs or Rovers... If you're in the area give me a jingle, would love to see how well the Rover does... I'll consider anything with a Diesel... or that's a Jeep. ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # John, # # # # I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have # come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) # # # # I have been having fun running around all over the place in # the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the snow # at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Nick # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... I know what you mean... I grew up in Wisconsin and northern Illinois... have driven in most mountain ranges in North America and Europe in the snow... snow doesn't worry me, it's those guys that don't know what they're doing... going too slow worries me more than the ding-a-lings that fly past... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # Hi John, # # I'll be around this weekend. My Rover is not stock which I am # sure has helped out in the snow, as well as being from the East Coast # and actually knowing how to drive in the snow as compared with most of # the people in the Seattle metro area. # # When I was up playing on Stevens Pass, down on the Iron Goat # Trail, I had chains on all 4 wheels and was in snow up to my axles. # # Over the last week I have seen many Exploders and newer Jeeps # driven by people who just shouldn't be on the road. As you are aware, # it is not such much the vehicle, as it is the big nut behind the wheel. # # Cheers, # # Nick # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:41 AM # To: Nick Eckert # Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] at last, the Jeep prevails... # # You know I've been thinking about that... was wondering if # the Rover, which was built on the Jeep Wagoneer design would do # better than some of the newer Jeeps. # # I'd love to test out a Gelandewagen, Rover, Grand Cherokee, Grand # Wagoneer # and a few others just to see for myself... I wonder if the luxury asian # import 4x4 wagons have anything going for them too. # # I watch the blazers, suburans, expeditions and explorers slip and slide # a # bit but make it... don't see a lot of the GLs or Rovers... # # If you're in the area give me a jingle, would love to see how well # the Rover does... I'll consider anything with a Diesel... or that's a # Jeep. ;) # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Nick Eckert wrote: # # # John, # # # # # # # # I wish I realized you were having problems. I would have # # come by and pulled you out with the Land Rover ;-) # # # # # # # # I have been having fun running around all over the place # in # # the snow. I have a great video of me last weekend playing in the # snow # # at Stevens pass in the Land Rover. # # # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # # # Nick # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: at last, the Jeep prevails... kevin fails to mention that he lives in the Bay Area... so snow events aren't quite as common. ;) not that snow is a regular event here either... :) agree with kevin on the BFG ATs and AT kOs. siped they are "ok" on wet roads, unsiped they are an understeer / accident event waiting to happen... in fact, that's what my little wagoneer was wearing when I took out that tree... understeer from bfgs combined with a detroit locker compounded with one loose nut behind the wheel... :) If I had at least two car lengths to get a run at my drive I'd have a fighting chance in the blazer... but my neighbors have taken to using their driveway for a wood pile and a volvo... the other side has become my son's parking lot... he had both of his 2wd vehicles parked up in the garden but chose to "test" them out in the snow, now they're in my way. :) But escape was realized... and I'm in town and in my lab... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Kevin wrote: # Probably not, and the snowflake doesn't necessarily mean it's going to do # well on ice. Take, for example, the BFG KO All Terrain. Someone took the # right government official to a spot outside vegas for a good time, since these # are amongst the WORST tires I've ever driven in snow and ice. And I'm not # the only one around who has that complaint. # # John's problem isn't necessarily tires, it's his driveway. His driveway and # mine are both good proving grounds for vehicles, as they're steep and uphill # leaving the house. His has two problems - it's paved, and there's a sharp # off camber 90 degree turn in the middle that you have to negotiate in order # to not do serious damage to the neighbor's place. Even when it's wet, it's # more than moderately interesting. I almost lost a transmission trying to climb # it because it's so freaking steep. His blazer would benefit from winter # duelers, blizzaks, or studded tires, but the only thing he really needs it for # is the driveway, so the reduced tire life or hassle dealing with studs doesn't # really pay. # # Mine is twice to three times as long, as steep, but dirt and gravel so it # doesn't ice up as easily. There's only been one day that the jetta had # extreme difficulty getting up it. There's nothing on either side but a # couple of random pine trees, so as long as you're not being TOO stupid, you're # not going to do any damage. When it gets really bad, I leave the jetta at # the top of the hill and drive the jeep up to where the jetta's parked - I # live on a private road, so leaving something at the top of the driveway # isn't a problem. # # On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 08:36:11AM -0800, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > But are they "snow flake" rated? Mine are!! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: Re: [CJ-10List] Re: at last, the Jeep prevails... check this out: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/02-Feb-17-Omega-oil-mountains/ALL.html especially: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/02-Feb-17-Omega-oil-mountains/P1150566.jpg installed a lift kit and the problem was solved... :) I think it was only 2", but it was enough. A 6.2L Diesel would be my choice, better freeway mileage, less complexity... the 6.5L TD in my Blazer has plenty of power, starts right up, but isn't as economical, probably because it's lower compression to start out with. A Banks kit on a 6.2L would be an excellent way to go. btw, there is a 3.3l TD on the binder list for sale for $500, $650 with the adapter and t-18... $1000 for the entire setup w/xfr case... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Scott MacMoyle wrote: # I would have liked to have kept my SD33 and put it in something else # Like an S10 or a small Jeep. I thought it was a really good motor but # 80 HP is 80 HP. The mistake is thinking of it as a 3.3 liter 6 # cyclinder. It is that but the horsepower doesnt compute the way we # think it should. But I sold it to a guy with a blown scout motor and # he stole it off me for $500. Oh well. I would have sat in my garage # anyway. I am proud of my tug also. We had a big storm in NJ and the # tug is awesome in the snow. The NP229 is an all wheel drive t-case so # going down the highway was a breeze. They salt here so a wash job is # in order as soon as possible. They salt and plow the roads real well # here. We all gotta get to work. # # John, # I think another 6.2 is in your future for the J10. Maybe a 6.5 or a # turbo. The second one always goes faster. I am having a little # trouble with the left exhaust manifold and the front driveshaft # wanting to share the same space when I get on the brakes. I almost # got it licked but if I get on it real hard it will hit the pipe. # # Scott M. # # # # # # --- In CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com, diesel john wrote: # > # > Scott, # > # > I'm heading in the same direction... The Nissan Diesel is # > attractive because it came in the Jeep and everything bolts up... # > # > That's why I bought my CJ-10A, for those two specific reasons... # > 1) it's got a stock Jeep drivetrain that saves # > me a lot of conversion issues, 2) it's a very solid and unusual # jeep. # > # > I haven't decided what to do with it yet... we're still under a # foot of # > snow and need to get my '83 J10 stepside home during the holiday # break. # > # > The Cj-10a is very cool... I may remove the bed and use the 4.10 # > rear axle from my '83 stepside and switch it over to 3.54's from # > my '80 J10... lots of wrenching, but in the end I'll have two # > Jeeps that are unique and work... if the CJ-10A works with the 4.10 # > gears and 235s then I'll regear the front axle and build a small # > box for it and either drive it as is or sell it... or even do a swap # > in it. # > # > I was giving serious thought to buying a SD33T for $650, the specs # > looked promising, but one of the folks on the Diesel Benz list had # > one in a Scout and still thought it was gutless. I drove one in a # > Terra a while back and while I could live with it, it's just a lot # > of work to swap engines or move that drivetrain to my '83 J10 # stepside. # > # > That and the parts issues concern me. One of my friends cited parts # > sources like Forklifts Northwest up here in the Puget Sound and # Jasco # > engines down in CA... but it still makes me a bit nervous to have # > something that you can't walk into a McParts store and find what # > you need... # > # > I loved walking into a parts store and asking for parts for # > an '83 K2500 6.2L Diesel and the guy was staring at my '91 Grand # Wagoneer. :) # > # > I may do another 6.2L Diesel conversion, a buddy of mine is going # > forward with one in his '56 Willys Panel and will have essentially # > complete running gear left over after dismantling a 3/4T pickup # > and Suburban... # > # > I'm even considering buying my '91 Grand Wagoneer back... the folks # > that got it off of ebay back east are in over there heads... I # warned # > them, but they've been plagued with all kinds of minor issues. I # > feel bad for them... I gave them the typical Full Size Jeep warning: # > # > If you want a Full Size Jeep you must pass the following test: # > # > 1) Are you a Mechanic? # > 2) Are you married to a Mechanic? # > 3) Are you related to a Mechanic? # > 4) Are you independently wealthy and know a good Mechanic? # > # > If you can't pass that test, I recommend getting a nice photograph # of # > a Full Size Jeep... Not that they are unreliable or trouble prone, # > mine have always gotten me home, even when I was up in the snow # level # > in the mountains in August and busted something... but they will # irritate # > you with all kinds of little issues... like that rear tailgate # window, # > I fear that thing... that's why I switched my FSJ preference to # J10s. :) # > # > My '91 didn't have trouble with the rear window, but I rarely used # it... # > one of the reasons I went for the Blazer with the lift rear # window... but # > guess what? That stupid thing doesn't always release and I have to # > walk to the back of the truck several times... argghhhh... I must # be # > destined to have a Pickup Truck, eh? :) Or maybe I should get # another # > XJ Cherokee and put a Mercedes Diesel in it. :) It's all an # adventure. :) # > # > Anyway, the CJ-10A is still in my shop, protected from the snow... # my # > son and I are going to see if it'll make it out of the drive as # is. :) # > The starter relay has been giving me fits, but we'll get it going # > maybe tonight or tomorrow... tomorrow in daylight would be # better. :) # > # > Looks like we're going to have a White Christmas in Seattle... # first # > one since 1990. Merry Christmas all... may your new year be filled # > with lots of Jeep (and Diesel) adventures... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > -------------------------------------------------------------------- # ---- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: # http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi? # zo=283461 # > -------------------------------------------------------------------- # ---- # > # > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, Scott Hyde wrote: # > # > # I spent some time in my new tug today and I think I have decided # to go with something other than the SD33. 4.88 gears out back with # the stock tires on her and she will barely climb a hill. She has 19K # miles on it and seems to be absolutely helpless. I talked myself # into using the SD33 for fuel economy but with no power, the Jeep is # kind of useless. # > # Scott A. Hyde # > # NRA Life Member # > # NRA Certified Rifle and Pistol Instructor # > # USPSA Member # > # > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] # > # # # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3229 **************************