From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 24 23:21:42 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, December 25 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3231 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") RE: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") fsj: Merry Christmas! RE: fsj: Merry Christmas! RE: fsj: my driveway ate a truck... RE: fsj: Merry Christmas! FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:00:52 -0800 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: RE: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") Dan, Those of us who live west of the cascades in Washington see a dabble of snow once or twice a year. I've lived in this area most of my life and have never seen this much snow for this long. We only see a few days a year below freezing, so when it does snow it is usually around less than 24-48 hours. Now you throw in inexperienced drivers, our horrible traffic, and many hills and mountains and it becomes quite the experience. John's infamous driveway would be considered a mountain pass in your neck of the woods. My house is at 530' above sea level, even though I live within a half-mile from the Puget Sound which is sea-level. There are a lot of steep snow covered roads around here. Comparing your cold temperatures to our two feet of snow in 24 hours is apples to oranges. I've yet to hear anyone "whinin'" about the temperature! Joe Hughes Everett, WA 22 Willys-Overland Touring 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Dan Black Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:37 AM To: Full Size Jeeps Subject: OT: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") diesel john said: {- it's snowing like crazy here... they're predicting that the {- snow level will rise to 500 feet and then we'll get rain... that'll {- collapse a few roofs for sure... problem is the Puget Sound has {- many microclimes and part of the forecast mentions that snow might {- continue north of Seattle... and that's where we're at... {- {- I just want to work on my JEEPS!!! make it stop... {- {- either that or someone send us snow shovels, windshield washer solution, {- snow scrapers and boots... we don't have that stuff here... all we {- have are Lattes, espresso stands and rust free vehicles. ;) Well, I don't know if you've been watching, but for the last two or three weeks, it's been pretty cold in the midwest. We've had highs in the single-digits, maybe even a subzero high temp one day, for most of the last week or more. (Mon/Tue were warmer -- I think as high as 28 -- but we're back down today.) And it's only December! Ah, here we go: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KAMW/2008/12/24/MonthlyHistory.h tml#calendar Look at the 15th on... Highs of 4, 8, 12, 20, 24, -2, 12... Average highs for this time are supposed to be around 30. But you really don't hear people complaining. It's a little weird, but we're used to it. So quitcher whinin'. ;) ..... Oh, and here's an article from a couple weeks ago that caught my eye: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081212/D950SO903.html They've decided that global warming is happening for most of North America, but it's basically missing everything from the Rockies to the Appalachians. When I read that, I said, "No $#!+!!" Idiots. I could've told them ten years ago that it wasn't happening here. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- "RAM DISK" is not an installation procedure! - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:34:04 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") We've also gotten probably 8-12" of snow... Roads around here are continually mushy and/or glazed over. Not a record, by any means, but quite a bit for December here. I agree we don't have the hills, but John was just starting to sound like one of them thar suthern Caleefornee people -- they start whinin' if it gets below 60deg. Or them folks from Jo-juh, where 1/4" of snow will shut down the entire state. ;) And I'm driving around in 2wd. Turns out what I thought was probably the front differential going out was actually TWO front U-joints going out, despite being checked just a couple months ago. They want $385 to do them both -- apparently, one of them involves pulling out half the axle. Bleh. But when there's no traffic, it's fun to make 90deg turns by turning early and sliding sideways into the lane you want. Power sliding from a stop isn't just a fun thing to do, it's a way of life. "Joe Hughes" said: {- Dan, {- Those of us who live west of the cascades in Washington see a dabble of snow {- once or twice a year. I've lived in this area most of my life and have {- never seen this much snow for this long. We only see a few days a year {- below freezing, so when it does snow it is usually around less than 24-48 {- hours. {- {- Now you throw in inexperienced drivers, our horrible traffic, and many hills {- and mountains and it becomes quite the experience. {- {- John's infamous driveway would be considered a mountain pass in your neck of {- the woods. My house is at 530' above sea level, even though I live within a {- half-mile from the Puget Sound which is sea-level. There are a lot of steep {- snow covered roads around here. {- {- Comparing your cold temperatures to our two feet of snow in 24 hours is {- apples to oranges. {- {- I've yet to hear anyone "whinin'" about the temperature! {- {- Joe Hughes {- Everett, WA {- 22 Willys-Overland Touring {- 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis {- 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan {- 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD {- 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L {- 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L {- {- {- {- -----Original Message----- {- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Dan {- Black {- Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:37 AM {- To: Full Size Jeeps {- Subject: OT: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") {- {- diesel john said: {- {- it's snowing like crazy here... they're predicting that the {- {- snow level will rise to 500 feet and then we'll get rain... that'll {- {- collapse a few roofs for sure... problem is the Puget Sound has {- {- many microclimes and part of the forecast mentions that snow might {- {- continue north of Seattle... and that's where we're at... {- {- {- {- I just want to work on my JEEPS!!! make it stop... {- {- {- {- either that or someone send us snow shovels, windshield washer solution, {- {- snow scrapers and boots... we don't have that stuff here... all we {- {- have are Lattes, espresso stands and rust free vehicles. ;) {- {- Well, I don't know if you've been watching, but for the last two or {- three weeks, it's been pretty cold in the midwest. We've had highs in {- the single-digits, maybe even a subzero high temp one day, for most of {- the last week or more. (Mon/Tue were warmer -- I think as high as 28 -- {- but we're back down today.) And it's only December! {- {- Ah, here we go: {- http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KAMW/2008/12/24/MonthlyHistory.h {- tml#calendar {- Look at the 15th on... Highs of 4, 8, 12, 20, 24, -2, 12... Average {- highs for this time are supposed to be around 30. {- {- But you really don't hear people complaining. It's a little weird, but {- we're used to it. {- {- So quitcher whinin'. ;) {- {- ..... {- {- Oh, and here's an article from a couple weeks ago that caught my eye: {- http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081212/D950SO903.html {- They've decided that global warming is happening for most of North {- America, but it's basically missing everything from the Rockies to the {- Appalachians. When I read that, I said, "No $#!+!!" Idiots. I {- could've told them ten years ago that it wasn't happening here. {- {- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- {- --- {- "RAM DISK" is not an installation procedure! {- -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org {- -------------- {- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Natural Selection Theory of Programming: Don't waste too much time coding something to be idiot-proof. If someone can't figure out how to properly use the product of your genius, you probably don't want them using it anyway. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:40:38 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") John's driveway is steep and long enough that with a few well placed boulders we could recreate the hammers there and have a snohomish rock crawling competition... On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:00:52PM -0800, Joe Hughes wrote: > John's infamous driveway would be considered a mountain pass in your neck of > the woods. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") thanx Joe! :) One has to truly experience BOTH locations and climates to really understand what is happening here. :) I grew up in Wisconsin and Illinois, my wife is from South Dakota. We know cold, we know snow, and now we know "green hills" and rain. We've been up in the PNW since the '70s, first in Klamath Falls for a while, then Portland, then up here since '85. In '96 we saw snow stick around for just over a week or so... but we basically had one snow event, a major one... like 24" worth... BTW Joe, Iowa doesn't have any thing remotely related to mountains, but Dan knows that, he's been to Colorado. :) Iowa has some lovely rolling hills, really a nice place. I got stuck in the upper driveway briefly just now... the snow is getting really slippery and melting... my neighbor parked their WJ in the drive, my daughter parked just a bit back from it with her XJ... I tried to go up and around in the field, but since my wife was with me I didn't go after it will full intent... had to borrow a snow shovel from my neighbor... I'm surprised he had one... he's a Seattle native. :) still getting the pictures from today off my memory card, will upload soon... look for today's date in http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008 some very beautiful scenery on the drive in... took Lowell-Larimer Road through the Snohomish valley... it runs along the north edge of the ridge that we all live on... top of it is about 500 feet, bottom is about 10 feet above sea level... :) sure is pretty out there right now... late afternoon light on snow covered trees... :) uh, so, who is whining? ;) just make the snow go away so we can see our green trees again, ok? ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Joe Hughes wrote: # Dan, # Those of us who live west of the cascades in Washington see a dabble of snow # once or twice a year. I've lived in this area most of my life and have # never seen this much snow for this long. We only see a few days a year # below freezing, so when it does snow it is usually around less than 24-48 # hours. # # Now you throw in inexperienced drivers, our horrible traffic, and many hills # and mountains and it becomes quite the experience. # # John's infamous driveway would be considered a mountain pass in your neck of # the woods. My house is at 530' above sea level, even though I live within a # half-mile from the Puget Sound which is sea-level. There are a lot of steep # snow covered roads around here. # # Comparing your cold temperatures to our two feet of snow in 24 hours is # apples to oranges. # # I've yet to hear anyone "whinin'" about the temperature! # # Joe Hughes # Everett, WA # 22 Willys-Overland Touring # 50 Willys pickup, Cummins 3.9L 4bt on a 74 Cherokee chassis # 64 Mercedes S220 Sedan # 88 Honda CBR-600 <- Currently DD # 94 BMW 540i e34 6-spd 4.0L # 00 JGC Ltd. 4.7L # # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Dan # Black # Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:37 AM # To: Full Size Jeeps # Subject: OT: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") # # diesel john said: # {- it's snowing like crazy here... they're predicting that the # {- snow level will rise to 500 feet and then we'll get rain... that'll # {- collapse a few roofs for sure... problem is the Puget Sound has # {- many microclimes and part of the forecast mentions that snow might # {- continue north of Seattle... and that's where we're at... # {- # {- I just want to work on my JEEPS!!! make it stop... # {- # {- either that or someone send us snow shovels, windshield washer solution, # {- snow scrapers and boots... we don't have that stuff here... all we # {- have are Lattes, espresso stands and rust free vehicles. ;) # # Well, I don't know if you've been watching, but for the last two or # three weeks, it's been pretty cold in the midwest. We've had highs in # the single-digits, maybe even a subzero high temp one day, for most of # the last week or more. (Mon/Tue were warmer -- I think as high as 28 -- # but we're back down today.) And it's only December! # # Ah, here we go: # http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KAMW/2008/12/24/MonthlyHistory.h # tml#calendar # Look at the 15th on... Highs of 4, 8, 12, 20, 24, -2, 12... Average # highs for this time are supposed to be around 30. # # But you really don't hear people complaining. It's a little weird, but # we're used to it. # # So quitcher whinin'. ;) # # ..... # # Oh, and here's an article from a couple weeks ago that caught my eye: # http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081212/D950SO903.html # They've decided that global warming is happening for most of North # America, but it's basically missing everything from the Rockies to the # Appalachians. When I read that, I said, "No $#!+!!" Idiots. I # could've told them ten years ago that it wasn't happening here. # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # --- # "RAM DISK" is not an installation procedure! # -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org # -------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: weather (was "Re: fsj: white Christmas... ") got room on the north edge... losers would end up in the neighbor's vegetable garden and be extracted by an excavator... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Kevin wrote: # John's driveway is steep and long enough that with a few well placed boulders # we could recreate the hammers there and have a snohomish rock crawling # competition... # # On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:00:52PM -0800, Joe Hughes wrote: # > John's infamous driveway would be considered a mountain pass in your neck of # > the woods. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Merry Christmas! Looks like we'll have a white Christmas... first one since 1990. Temperatures are warming up and rain will soon return to the Seattle area... thankfully. :) here's the latest batch of pictures: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-24-Christmas-Eve-snow/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/ look for the ALL.html in the directories by date. Merry CHRISTmas john & family ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:30:14 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Merry Christmas! I'm wishing I got home early enough to take pics of my roof BEFORE I started melting/raking snow off it! There was 18 inches and that was AFTER it started to melt today. I would've come home to no carport and a squished MJ if I didn't do it though! The halogen lights sitting on the roof of the truck started the melting process which should continue tomorrow if it rains WITHOUT the side effects some others had yesterday, last night (I heard the one behind us go and thought it was mine!) and again today! I used 2x4s, pipes and 3 floor jacks to keep it up till I got home from work tonight with an extension cord. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:43:43 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: Merry Christmas! > > Looks like we'll have a white Christmas... first one since 1990. > Temperatures are warming up and rain will soon return to the Seattle area... thankfully. :) > > here's the latest batch of pictures: > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-24-Christmas-Eve-snow/ALL.html > > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/ look for the ALL.html in the directories by date. > > > Merry CHRISTmas > > john & family > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs the same Hotmail.. If by ^Ssame^T you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 2008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:32:16 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: my driveway ate a truck... Nope! Got home and it's still standing (used my 2x4s and spare tires along with a piece of pipe, an XJ axle and both floor jacks to keep it up till I got home at 4PM) Guess because snow's not green? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:51:44 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: my driveway ate a truck... > > jim, > > you're doomed... it's snowing again! > > will it ever stop? we are breaking > decade old records... > > the only reason stuff isnt't falling > down like in '96 is it hasn't come > down all at once. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Jim Blair wrote: > > # I went and bought a dual head halogen lamp, then got home (after the store > # closed) to find my extension cord was pilfered by my eldest son! :( > # Now I have to worry all night that it will start to rain and finish the > # carport off. I found a nice pipe that was slightly too long and wedged it > # under the main "beam" (if you can call that little aluminum channel a beam) so > # it will handle a tiny bit more weight. > # I wanted to put the lights on to warm it up so it would melt quickly before > # more weight can be added by nature (another carport just collapsed as I was > # typing this!) > # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > # > # > # > # ---------------------------------------- > # > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:03:26 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: RE: fsj: my driveway ate a truck... > # > > # > I would recommend a broom... or a landscape rack... you're > # > welcome to borrow either of mine. :) > # > > # > in '96 my carport started sagging very badly under the weight of > # > the snow and rain... I went up and used my landscape rake to > # > remove the snow... I figured there was about 8,000lbs of snow > # > up there... > # > > # > this year, I'm not worried... those trusses aren't even working > # > yet. :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # It^Rs the same Hotmail.. If by ^Ssame^T you mean up to 70% faster. > # http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_12 > # 2008 > # _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere _122008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:20:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Merry Christmas! why didn't you use a broom or board to clear it off? I've got a ladder and a broom you could have borrowed... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # I'm wishing I got home early enough to take pics of my roof BEFORE I started # melting/raking snow off it! There was 18 inches and that was AFTER it started # to melt today. I would've come home to no carport and a squished MJ if I # didn't do it though! The halogen lights sitting on the roof of the truck # started the melting process which should continue tomorrow if it rains WITHOUT # the side effects some others had yesterday, last night (I heard the one behind # us go and thought it was mine!) and again today! # I used 2x4s, pipes and 3 floor jacks to keep it up till I got home from # work tonight with an extension cord. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:43:43 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: Merry Christmas! # > # > Looks like we'll have a white Christmas... first one since 1990. # > Temperatures are warming up and rain will soon return to the Seattle area... # thankfully. :) # > # > here's the latest batch of pictures: # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-24-Christmas-Eve-snow/ALL.html # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/ look for the ALL.html in the directories # by date. # > # > # > Merry CHRISTmas # > # > john & family # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # _________________________________________________________________ # It^Rs the same Hotmail.. 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