From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 30 13:02:08 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, December 30 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3236 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration fsj: thawing and removing parts... fsj: Re: [db] thawing and removing parts... RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration fsj: cj-10a ballast weight fsj: cj-10a bed, ballast and bumpers Re: fsj: cj-10a bed, ballast and bumpers FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:35:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Michel, do a compression test... I went through this with a '91 XJ 4.0L... I replaced every electrical component... finally did a compression test and found a hole in a piston... :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > > > 74 waggy w 341kmiles on original trany/engine. 2 barrel 2100 and HEI # > > > distributor w fresh cap/rotor coil from a few months ago, yes they have # > > copper # > > > A few weeks ago a small but persistant vibration has developped on the # > > freeway # > > > on a 50 mile return trip.... strong enough to loosen one's filling and # > > > feelings about not beeing able to fix it. It happens in Park, in # Neutral # > > and # > > > less in gear at idle as the idle is lower, but at speed it is # happening. # > > There # > > > is not a real relation to the engine speed it happens and stay # constant. # > > > It feels like a misfire: but idle is steady, vacuum is 20 inches at sea # > > level # > > > with an idle of 800 rpm in Park # > > > 1) I swapped a spare duraspark distributor w its set of wires and an # old # > > MSD # > > > # > > > 2) Disconnected all belts: water pump, alternator, PS, and AIR pump. No # > > > difference # > > > # > > > 3) Plugged all vacuum lines including Brake booster, Transmission # > > modulator, # > > > Transfer case, heater control, EGR. distributor advance at the CTO # switch # > > > (hummmm, now that I am writing it, may be the switch is bad! Probably # not # > > > because it starts without a problem even during our cold weather of 40 # > > > degrees). No Changes. # > > > # > > > 4) Sprayed brake cleaner all over the carb area, no change in idle # speed. # > > > # > > > 5) Recheck voltage at distributor (+) feed: 13.8 volts. Ground is good # > 0.01 # > > > ohm from engine ground to coil ground. Disconnected various accessories # > > > thinking that may be there is a short (voltmeter, tachometer). # > > > # > > > 6) Some have suggested bad engine/trany mounts: disconnected the trany # > > > selector at the frame and tried to Jack up the engine.... the body is # > going # > > > up, but no separation from engine or trany mounts. I have tried this a # > few # > > > times after Moab last year when the fan hit the shroud, but was never # > able # > > to # > > > show a loose engine mount, I even went to bug some good Jeep # > > aficionados.... # > > > and we could not see a failing mount. # > > > # > > > So after reading all these, I need some ideas. # > > > # > > > And for the added bonus hint: 2 weeks ago after a junk yard hunt.... I # > > never # > > > made it after 80 miles, there was 2 hesitations while driving at 65 mph # > and # > > I # > > > freewheelled to the shoulder (at least I was 12 miles from home)... had # > to # > > > have the waggy towed: before calling AAA I checked for spark (connected # a # > > > spare spark plug and hotwired the ignition switch, and fuel while # > > depressing # > > > the throttle the gas flew off).... 30 minutes later in the driveway, I # > > wiped # > > > the inside of the distributor... the rotor was a tad burnt but nothing # > > > terrible, I cranked the engine and it started. I have not driven too # far. # > > Did # > > > a few repeats of the above. # > > > # > > > Happy new year # > > > # > > > Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:50:49 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: thawing and removing parts... the bed, bumpers and ballast are OFF of the '86 CJ-10A... anyone interested in them? :) we're finally coming out of the deep freeze... lots of snow left in the drive... only getting around with 4x4... Mark tried to get his car out and I had to pull him out of the way with the Blazer... We did managed to pull the bed off the '86 CJ-10A... then went into Everett to get gas for my torch... came home and torched the rivets holding the rear bumper and hitch setup... then we torched the welds off the ballast and got it loose... took us the better part of an hour to get that hunk of steel out of that pocket and onto the ground, where it'll probably remain until we get heavy equipment in the drive. ;) Solid chunk of steel... large... Not sure how much weight was removed... but it took two of us to slide the rear bumper outside... we can't move the bed... the ballast was very dangerous, once it started moving we just got out of it's way. :) some local shots and the CJ-10A without the bed... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-29-still-thawing-CJ-10A-bed-off/ALL.html shots during torch work... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/29-Dec-2008-bed-n-ballast-removal/ALL.html side trip to pick up the C6/NP205 in the pictures above for the '67 J100 Panel project (Ford 460 from the '74 Javelin) , and very nice shots of the Olympics: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-28-rain-on-snow-Kingston-Edmonds-ferry/ Next step on the Tug is to get a pair of fenders of some kind, run two boards across the top of the frame, mount the lights and head for an emissions test as soon as the snow clears in the driveway... this thing seems like it got an extra gear... it actually accelerates out of the carport now... there is hope for this little turd. Will drive it around like this for a bit to see how I like it before I start looking at swapping axles and making it a 4x4. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] thawing and removing parts... now that is a great idea... come over and help us turn it over and move it back into the shop. :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Wow, thats some chunk of steel. # # I know what to do with it.... weld 4 three fourty # inch I beam sections to each corner and you will # have the best, most stable anvil/welding table on # the planet. # # diesel john wrote: # > the bed, bumpers and ballast are OFF of the # > '86 CJ-10A... # > anyone interested in them? :) # > # > we're finally coming out of the deep freeze... # > lots of snow left in the drive... only getting # > around with 4x4... Mark tried to get his car # > out # > and I had to pull him out of the way with the # > Blazer... # > # > We did managed to pull the bed off the '86 # > CJ-10A... then went into Everett to get gas for # > my torch... came # > home and torched the rivets holding the rear # > bumper and hitch setup... # > # > then we torched the welds off the ballast and # > got it loose... # > # > took us the better part of an hour to get that # > hunk of steel out of that pocket and onto the # > ground, where it'll probably remain until we get # > heavy equipment in the drive. ;) Solid chunk of # > steel... large... # > # > Not sure how much weight was removed... but it # > took two of us to slide # > the rear bumper outside... we can't move the # > bed... the ballast was # > very dangerous, once it started moving we just # > got out of it's way. :) # > # > some local shots and the CJ-10A without the # > bed... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-29-still-thawing-CJ-10A-bed-off/ALL.html # > # > shots during torch work... # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/29-Dec-2008-bed-n-ballast-removal/ALL.html # > # > side trip to pick up the C6/NP205 in the # > pictures above for the '67 J100 # > Panel project (Ford 460 from the '74 Javelin) , # > and very nice shots of the Olympics: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/12-Dec-28-rain-on-snow-Kingston-Edmonds-ferry/ # > # > Next step on the Tug is to get a pair of fenders # > of some kind, run two # > boards across the top of the frame, mount the # > lights and head for an emissions # > test as soon as the snow clears in the # > driveway... this thing seems like it # > got an extra gear... it actually accelerates out # > of the carport now... there # > is hope for this little turd. Will drive it # > around like this for a bit to # > see how I like it before I start looking at # > swapping axles and making it a 4x4. # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust # > Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: # > http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:21:16 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration Did the compression on cold engine, between 130 and 145. I have power... Tempted by the harmonic balancer swaping, from the 85 to the 74.... Thanks Michel > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:35:02 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration > > Michel, > > do a compression test... I went through this with a '91 XJ 4.0L... > I replaced every electrical component... finally did a compression > test and found a hole in a piston... :( > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > # > > > 74 waggy w 341kmiles on original trany/engine. 2 barrel 2100 and HEI > # > > > distributor w fresh cap/rotor coil from a few months ago, yes they have > # > > copper > # > > > A few weeks ago a small but persistant vibration has developped on the > # > > freeway > # > > > on a 50 mile return trip.... strong enough to loosen one's filling and > # > > > feelings about not beeing able to fix it. It happens in Park, in > # Neutral # > > and > # > > > less in gear at idle as the idle is lower, but at speed it is > # happening. > # > > There > # > > > is not a real relation to the engine speed it happens and stay > # constant. > # > > > It feels like a misfire: but idle is steady, vacuum is 20 inches at sea > # > > level > # > > > with an idle of 800 rpm in Park > # > > > 1) I swapped a spare duraspark distributor w its set of wires and an > # old > # > > MSD > # > > > > # > > > 2) Disconnected all belts: water pump, alternator, PS, and AIR pump. No > # > > > difference > # > > > > # > > > 3) Plugged all vacuum lines including Brake booster, Transmission > # > > modulator, > # > > > Transfer case, heater control, EGR. distributor advance at the CTO > # switch > # > > > (hummmm, now that I am writing it, may be the switch is bad! Probably > # not > # > > > because it starts without a problem even during our cold weather of 40 > # > > > degrees). No Changes. > # > > > > # > > > 4) Sprayed brake cleaner all over the carb area, no change in idle > # speed. > # > > > > # > > > 5) Recheck voltage at distributor (+) feed: 13.8 volts. Ground is good > # > 0.01 > # > > > ohm from engine ground to coil ground. Disconnected various accessories > # > > > thinking that may be there is a short (voltmeter, tachometer). > # > > > > # > > > 6) Some have suggested bad engine/trany mounts: disconnected the trany > # > > > selector at the frame and tried to Jack up the engine.... the body is > # > going > # > > > up, but no separation from engine or trany mounts. I have tried this a > # > few > # > > > times after Moab last year when the fan hit the shroud, but was never > # > able > # > > to > # > > > show a loose engine mount, I even went to bug some good Jeep > # > > aficionados.... > # > > > and we could not see a failing mount. > # > > > > # > > > So after reading all these, I need some ideas. > # > > > > # > > > And for the added bonus hint: 2 weeks ago after a junk yard hunt.... I > # > > never > # > > > made it after 80 miles, there was 2 hesitations while driving at 65 mph > # > and > # > > I > # > > > freewheelled to the shoulder (at least I was 12 miles from home)... had > # > to > # > > > have the waggy towed: before calling AAA I checked for spark (connected > # a > # > > > spare spark plug and hotwired the ignition switch, and fuel while > # > > depressing > # > > > the throttle the gas flew off).... 30 minutes later in the driveway, I > # > > wiped > # > > > the inside of the distributor... the rotor was a tad burnt but nothing > # > > > terrible, I cranked the engine and it started. I have not driven too > # far. > # > > Did > # > > > a few repeats of the above. > # > > > > # > > > Happy new year > # > > > > # > > > Michel _________________________________________________________________ Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:31:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration excellent, compression test shows no holes... pretty wide range though, isn't it? maybe not... would have to look at tests I've done to see... harmonic balancer does sound promising... did you check your flex plate for any cracks? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Michel Balea wrote: # Did the compression on cold engine, between 130 and 145. I have power... # # Tempted by the harmonic balancer swaping, from the 85 to the 74.... # # Thanks # # Michel # # > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:35:02 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: slight but persistant vibration # > # > Michel, # > # > do a compression test... I went through this with a '91 XJ 4.0L... # > I replaced every electrical component... finally did a compression # > test and found a hole in a piston... :( # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # > SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # > SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > > > 74 waggy w 341kmiles on original trany/engine. 2 barrel 2100 and # HEI # > # > > > distributor w fresh cap/rotor coil from a few months ago, yes they # have # > # > > copper # > # > > > A few weeks ago a small but persistant vibration has developped on # the # > # > > freeway # > # > > > on a 50 mile return trip.... strong enough to loosen one's filling # and # > # > > > feelings about not beeing able to fix it. It happens in Park, in # > # Neutral # > > and # > # > > > less in gear at idle as the idle is lower, but at speed it is # > # happening. # > # > > There # > # > > > is not a real relation to the engine speed it happens and stay # > # constant. # > # > > > It feels like a misfire: but idle is steady, vacuum is 20 inches at # sea # > # > > level # > # > > > with an idle of 800 rpm in Park # > # > > > 1) I swapped a spare duraspark distributor w its set of wires and # an # > # old # > # > > MSD # > # > > > # > # > > > 2) Disconnected all belts: water pump, alternator, PS, and AIR # pump. No # > # > > > difference # > # > > > # > # > > > 3) Plugged all vacuum lines including Brake booster, Transmission # > # > > modulator, # > # > > > Transfer case, heater control, EGR. distributor advance at the CTO # > # switch # > # > > > (hummmm, now that I am writing it, may be the switch is bad! # Probably # > # not # > # > > > because it starts without a problem even during our cold weather of # 40 # > # > > > degrees). No Changes. # > # > > > # > # > > > 4) Sprayed brake cleaner all over the carb area, no change in idle # > # speed. # > # > > > # > # > > > 5) Recheck voltage at distributor (+) feed: 13.8 volts. Ground is # good # > # > 0.01 # > # > > > ohm from engine ground to coil ground. Disconnected various # accessories # > # > > > thinking that may be there is a short (voltmeter, tachometer). # > # > > > # > # > > > 6) Some have suggested bad engine/trany mounts: disconnected the # trany # > # > > > selector at the frame and tried to Jack up the engine.... the body # is # > # > going # > # > > > up, but no separation from engine or trany mounts. I have tried # this a # > # > few # > # > > > times after Moab last year when the fan hit the shroud, but was # never # > # > able # > # > > to # > # > > > show a loose engine mount, I even went to bug some good Jeep # > # > > aficionados.... # > # > > > and we could not see a failing mount. # > # > > > # > # > > > So after reading all these, I need some ideas. # > # > > > # > # > > > And for the added bonus hint: 2 weeks ago after a junk yard # hunt.... I # > # > > never # > # > > > made it after 80 miles, there was 2 hesitations while driving at 65 # mph # > # > and # > # > > I # > # > > > freewheelled to the shoulder (at least I was 12 miles from home)... # had # > # > to # > # > > > have the waggy towed: before calling AAA I checked for spark # (connected # > # a # > # > > > spare spark plug and hotwired the ignition switch, and fuel while # > # > > depressing # > # > > > the throttle the gas flew off).... 30 minutes later in the # driveway, I # > # > > wiped # > # > > > the inside of the distributor... the rotor was a tad burnt but # nothing # > # > > > terrible, I cranked the engine and it started. I have not driven # too # > # far. # > # > > Did # > # > > > a few repeats of the above. # > # > > > # > # > > > Happy new year # > # > > > # > # > > > Michel # # _________________________________________________________________ # Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista.. # http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:35:19 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: cj-10a ballast weight measured the ballast from the '86 cj-10a, 4.75 x 19.75 x 45.5 inches... couple different steel calculators on line estimated the weight between 1,210 lbs and 1,283 lbs. no wonder we had so much trouble moving it around... who wants to come over and help load it in the trailer? what's it worth??? john http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1986-CJ10A/29-Dec-2008-bed-n-ballast-removal/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: cj-10a bed, ballast and bumpers is there any one out there that might be interested in the aircraft tug bed, bumpers and ballast??? all of it's in rust free condition and solid... as a rock. ;) getting it out of my shop is going to be a challenge... not sure what scrap value is these days, but seems a shame to turn all this stuff into scrap metal... :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: Re: fsj: cj-10a bed, ballast and bumpers just called a metal company... 1,210lbs confirmed... 8 months ago it would have been worth $110. Today, $12.10. :( 2nd suggestion to turn it into an anvil... now all I need to do is get it off the ground and build a frame for it. :) wonder if 2x4 legs will hold this... ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, diesel john wrote: # is there any one out there that might be interested # in the aircraft tug bed, bumpers and ballast??? # # all of it's in rust free condition and solid... as a rock. ;) # # getting it out of my shop is going to be a challenge... # # not sure what scrap value is these days, but seems a shame # to turn all this stuff into scrap metal... :( # # john # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://johnmeister.com/fotomeister - Trust Jesus: http://freegift.com # SAVE power, avoid viruses, use LINUX: http://johnmeister.com/tmcp.pdf # SAVE fuel, use synthetics: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3236 **************************