From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 1 01:02:18 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, November 1 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3453 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Building an AMC 360 Re: fsj: Building an AMC 360 fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:16:37 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Building an AMC 360 Build it with the purpose and fuel on hand in mind. Car racing info doesn't help offroad and tractor pull knowledge isn't what you need for the 1/4 mile! > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Building an AMC 360 > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:55:39 -0400 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > Gotta put in my two cents on this as I built an AMC 360 back in 95, have had a > very good run with it, but I would do a bunch of stuff different now. > > What I have is a 360, Melling RV Cam, Melling oil pump, Cloyes dual roller > timing chain, three angle valve grind on the origional heads, decked the block > to clean it up, which also gave me a little more compression, .030 overbore, > just to clean up the cylinders, Edelbrock performer (dual plane) intake with > EGR, I ran a 600 CFM vacuum secondary Holley square bore for several years, > but later changed to a 650 CFM Carter AFB which I like a lot better. I was 19 > when I built this engine during a college summer, it still runs strong, but > when we are 19 years old we don't have a great idea of what we are doing. > Although this isn't too far off from how people built engines in the mid 90's > . I now run Rotella oil in my flat tappet motors. No synthetics in my older > motors because they don't get driven that much and some of them mark their > territory. Although the Wag's motor doesn't leak. > > My sport car magazine says to build torque with compression, and then get the > power with the revs...which is to say in the head. > > So it's now it's 2009 and I am no longer 19 years old. What would I do > different? First off I would go with more compression...I like low compression > engines about as much as John likes gas engines with Holley carbs, I'd like to > run 12:1 and run Alcohol. Although at 7000 feet I could probably run 12:1 > compression and high-test gasoline. Since the crank and rods should be forged > with that kind of compression I'd see about using a 401 Crank. I know it has > been done. I have no complaints about my current cam, but I suspect I could do > better with a desktop dyno helping me select a cam. I would also do port work > on the heads...with the checkbook. At this point I'd be inclined to find a > shop that's building AMC motors for racing and spend some money for their > expertise. > > There is a lot of misinformation and arguements made with incomplete > information out there about running E85. Hot Rod magazine has done some good > write-ups about it and addresses that it does not have the energy density of > gasoline, but due to it's latent heat it can handle big compression or lots of > turbo and that you can get the supposed loss of efficiency back if you just > design your system to work with it. > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMT AGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen3:102009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:31:25 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Building an AMC 360 This would be a build with the idea that the primary duty would be pulling a trailer on the interstate. I would limit the weight to around 5000 lbs for trailer and whatever is on the trailer together. I doubt that I'd run it much more than 500 miles from the house. Not that I haven't done this sort of pulling with my current 360, but I'd like to do it better. looks like next week I can start repairing the rust in the frame, which also means that I might move the rocker panels, quarter panel, and door skins that I have had kicking around for a decade onto the Jeep. Mark Wallace 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair To: wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 2:16 pm Subject: RE: fsj: Building an AMC 360 Build it with the purpose and fuel on hand in mind. Car racing info doesn't help offroad and tractor pull knowledge isn't what you need for the 1/4 mile! > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Building an AMC 360 > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:55:39 -0400 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > Gotta put in my two cents on this as I built an AMC 360 back in 95, have had a > very good run with it, but I would do a bunch of stuff different now. > > What I have is a 360, Melling RV Cam, Melling oil pump, Cloyes dual roller > timing chain, three angle valve grind on the origional heads, decked the block > to clean it up, which also gave me a little more compression, .030 overbore, > just to clean up the cylinders, Edelbrock performer (dual plane) intake with > EGR, I ran a 600 CFM vacuum secondary Holley square bore for several years, > but later changed to a 650 CFM Carter AFB which I like a lot better. I was 19 > when I built this engine during a college summer, it still runs strong, but > when we are 19 years old we don't have a great idea of what we are doing. > Although this isn't too far off from how people built engines in the mid 90's > . I now run Rotella oil in my flat tappet motors. No synthetics in my older > motors because they don't get driven that much and some of them mark their > territory. Although the Wag's motor doesn't leak. > > My sport car magazine says to build torque with compression, and then get the > power with the revs...which is to say in the head. > > So it's now it's 2009 and I am no longer 19 years old. What would I do > different? First off I would go with more compression...I like low compression > engines about as much as John likes gas engines with Holley carbs, I'd like to > run 12:1 and run Alcohol. Although at 7000 feet I could probably run 12:1 > compression and high-test gasoline. Since the crank and rods should be forged > with that kind of compression I'd see about using a 401 Crank. I know it has > been done. I have no complaints about my current cam, but I suspect I could do > better with a desktop dyno helping me select a cam. I would also do port work > on the heads...with the checkbook. At this point I'd be inclined to find a > shop that's building AMC motors for racing and spend some money for their > expertise. > > There is a lot of misinformation and arguements made with incomplete > information out there about running E85. Hot Rod magazine has done some good > write-ups about it and addresses that it does not have the energy density of > gasoline, but due to it's latent heat it can handle big compression or lots of > turbo and that you can get the supposed loss of efficiency back if you just > design your system to work with it. > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7.= = ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:15:05 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. 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