From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 15 18:09:51 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, November 16 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3466 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:07:11 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum are both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would suggest replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto Zone or the Pep Boys. The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process of cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also found a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. Mark Wallace 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:24:55 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. I worked on my 86 MJ with the temp -at-38 yesterday (it started snowing as I finished up.) and got it ready to go away (did too much work for minimal return so I swapped it for 10 trees dropped before they crushed my cabin) I stood cardboard and metal roofing around it and put my halogen work lamp in before starting so only my feet got cold > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:07:11 -0500 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is > still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean > up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire > wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then > paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum are > both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would suggest > replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. > > Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or > are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has > seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto > Zone or the Pep Boys. > > The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was > able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process of > cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 > degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. > Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and > when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded > in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been > scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also found > a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better > there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle than sourcing stuff on your own. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum are # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would suggest # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. # # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto # Zone or the Pep Boys. # # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process of # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also found # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:01:19 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. I chased down hoses for my '73 J4000 and the '76 J20 I had (I switched the tank to one from an '83 J10 because I swapped out the offset Dana 60 rear axle to a centered M20 from my '84 J10 I upgraded and the rear driveshaft hit the tank) I swapped the D60 into the J4000 (in case anyone was wondering what I did with it) I ended up with an odd assortment of fittings to use a newer gas fill neck in my '73 J4000 (so it didn't take forever to fuel up!) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:36:28 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > > bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... > but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and > save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) > > it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, > getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle > than sourcing stuff on your own. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is > # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean > # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire > # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then > # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum are > # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would suggest > # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. > # > # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or > # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has > # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto > # Zone or the Pep Boys. > # > # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was > # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process of > # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 > # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. > # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and > # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded > # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been > # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also found > # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better > # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. > # > # Mark Wallace > # 81 Wag > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:03:25 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. No arguments that BJ's has parts that are otherwise unobtainium. And some of the time paying a premium is the right option...when your vendor knows the car and knows the parts paying a premium is great...especially after the person at the counter at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and Napa have all looked at you like you were from Mars. (my Napa is actually pretty good) Fuel filler hose as it is is expensive. My question is is there anything special about the two filler hoses like one end molded bigger than the other? And since I asked the question I realized that that quarter panel is going, both door skins on that side are going, and that rocker panel is going, and I need to repair the front fender on that side. On the other side I think only the rocker is going...everything else can be repaired. Oh yeah...my hood and my tailgate are both dented and I have no idea how much rust is in the tailgate. Anyone repaired a rusted out tailgate? Mark Wallace 81 Wag - -----Original Message----- From: john To: wallacem7-at-aol.com Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle than sourcing stuff on your own. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame is # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) clean # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe wire # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum are # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would suggest # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. # # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses or # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's has # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the Auto # Zone or the Pep Boys. # # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I was # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process of # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could start. # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) and # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I welded # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had been # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also found # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. # # Mark Wallace # 81 Wag # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:09:42 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. Parts rigs have been pretty easy to come by around here and parts from a lot of years interchange (I put the manual rear winder and glass from a retrofitted '88 GW into my '83 Cherokee) Whole tailgates for -at-$50 or so (I sold an immaculate '84 GW gate to someone in NJ but a UPS driver there drove over it and shipped it back, unceremoniously dumping it in my front yard) Some of the hoses changed over the years ('76 was different than '82) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:03:25 -0500 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > No arguments that BJ's has parts that are otherwise unobtainium. And some of > the time paying a premium is the right option...when your vendor knows the car > and knows the parts paying a premium is great...especially after the person at > the counter at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and Napa have all looked at you like you > were from Mars. (my Napa is actually pretty good) Fuel filler hose as it is > is expensive. My question is is there anything special about the two filler > hoses like one end molded bigger than the other? And since I asked the > question I realized that that quarter panel is going, both door skins on that > side are going, and that rocker panel is going, and I need to repair the front > fender on that side. On the other side I think only the rocker is > going...everything else can be repaired. Oh yeah...my hood and my tailgate are > both dented and I have no idea how much rust is in the tailgate. Anyone > repaired a rusted out tailgate? > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john > To: wallacem7-at-aol.com > Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:36 pm > Subject: Re: fsj: Under the Wag in 27 degree weather. > > > > > > > > > > > bj has done a lot of searching and gathering some fine parts... > but if he found it, it's out there... you can do the work and > save a bit, or buy it from him and support his FSJ habits. ;) > > it is special material, but it's available at napa, but not cheap, > getting it from bjs you know it'll be right and work. less hassle > than sourcing stuff on your own. > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009, wallacem7-at-aol.com wrote: > > # My challenge for everyone who has a Wagoneer or SJ Cherokee. If your frame > is > # still solid, pull out your gas tank (it's easier to do when it's empty) > clean > # up the frame where mud accumulated, knock all the scale rust off, maybe > wire > # wheel it or even sandblast it if you can cover up the fuel hoses and then > # paint it with your favorite rust preventative paint...POR 15 or Rust-oleum > are > # both workable for this task. If your Jeep is over 25 years old I would > suggest > # replacing at very least the brake pipe while you are under there as well. > # > # Does anyone know if there is anything special about the fuel filler hoses > or > # are they just a cut to length section of fuel filler hose? The one's BJ's > has > # seem a little spendy especially if I can pick up the same thing at the > Auto > # Zone or the Pep Boys. > # > # The Wag's frame patch is made and is sitting under another project car. I > was > # able to bend a piece of 1/8 steel into the right shape. I am in the process > of > # cutting out the bad section of the origional frame. Slow going. It was 27 > # degrees outside and I had to get the snow off the Wag before I could > start. > # Managed to work about five hours on it got a phone call (under the Jeep) > and > # when I stopped to talk on the phone I realized just how cold it was. I > welded > # in another brace that runs from one spring hanger box to another. I had > been > # scavenging bed frames out of the garbage for just such a purpose. I also > found > # a hole in my welding hat when I put it in the washer. I guess it's better > # there than in my head. Supposed to be in the high forties next week. > # > # Mark Wallace > # 81 Wag > # _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3466 **************************