From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Nov 28 22:32:32 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, November 29 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3475 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 4.0L in the wj status fsj: Re: [db] how did this spark plug get damaged? fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts RE: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts fsj: DMV Q Re: fsj: DMV Q RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts fsj: Help, Please fsj: popcorn overload... RE: fsj: Help, Please RE: fsj: Help, Please FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: 4.0L in the wj status pulled the valve cover today on the '00 WJ 4.0... need a special socket for the head bolts... all the valves go up and down... good sign. paul came over and looked at the wj today... we have a theory that the head gasket blew a chunk into #2, that bent the plug (damage wasn't severe to the plug) and the resulting pressure from the cylinder popped the upper rad hose. will chase down the socket tomorrow... in other news, mark got the NP229 swapped in his '85 GW... working good, the case was cracked... the guy came over and test drove the '86 cj-10a... going to bring the 2002 Subaru over for me to check out... may trade. the '89 xj is ready to go, might be gone tomorrow. oh yeah, found a '99 3.0L Mercedes Diesel engine out of a wreck... guy wants $2500 for it... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] how did this spark plug get damaged? still haven't gotten the head off... but looking more and more like the head gasket... cranked again, no noise, valves are responding normally (valve cover off...) have to buy a special socket... 13mm star or female torx... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Nov 2009, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # John # # I am surprised the engine still turns over. # # When you pop the head I would hazzard that there is a gasket piece missing # between that cylinder and a cooling port in the block (engine overheating), # that coolant got into the chamber. # Would not be surprised if the top of the piston in that chamber has signs of # overheating, also recommend you pull that piston, check the cylinder walls # for a crack and make sure the con rod has not bent. # # This is probably the worst case scenario. If it is just a gasket and/or # failed pump and the rest of the the engine is not affected you may get lucky. # # Coolant getting into the chamber and the engine trying to compress it will do # strange things. # # Last thought - a burned exhaust valve with a chip in just the right # orientation can cause similar damage to the plug but I would not expect that # to cause the overheating.. # # Love to hear which it is and good luck. # # Edward # # # # diesel john wrote: # > REF: 2000 4.0L in Grand Cherokee.. lost rad hose... overheated and bad head # > gasket... # > # > but trying to figure out what happened to #2 spark plug... # > # > #2 plug suffered greatly... when I get the head off I'll know to what # > #extent... # > # > pictures of the plugs at: # > # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/JEM_5804_2nd-plug-2009_11_24.jpg # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/JEM_5805_2nd-plug-2009_11_24.jpg # > # > # > # > # > # > Pulled the plugs and did a compression test last night. # > # > #1 - 145 # > #2 - ZERO, NADA, Zip... an O with the rim kicked off... # > #3 - 30 # > #4 - 30 # > #5 - 145 # > #6 - didn't bother... # > # > # > pictures of the mountains etc. here: # > # > http://fotomeister.us/fotos/2009/11-Nov-25-Mountains-2000WJrepairs/ALL.html # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? star? inverse torx??? pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:01:00 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Try 1/2" 12 point Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:59:06 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts > > what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? > > star? inverse torx??? > > pretty sure it's 13mm... or could it be 13.5? ;) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M FESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Thanx all... just slipped a 13mm 12-point and a 1/2 inch 12-point. The 1/2 inch 12-point fits tighter... but I didn't have a deep in 1/2, was able to extract a head bolt with the 13mm... taking the bolt to town and buy a 1/2 inch 12 point deep to fit. thanx Jim B. it appears you nailed it. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, wilsoncm-at-gmail.com wrote: # Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. # On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: # >what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:33:18 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: DMV Q John is buying jeeps.... I am buying motorcycles 83 Honda XR500. Any ideas on the rules and penalties when the current owner has not done the title transfer. Title has been signed by previous owner 14 months ago, who submitted the paperwork to the DMV, so the DMV has a record of the current owner, but the current owner does not have a title on his name, only the title signed by the previous owner.... Registration is still valid as per the CHP.... I am trying to figure any penalties, as you have to register the vehicle within 2 weeks, which was done by the previous owner, but not the current one.... of course DMV and AAA offices were closed yesterday. Not a big deal as I found another one.... 3hrs away..... Cheers Michel _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 11:43:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: DMV Q up here it starts out around $20 then $2/day up to $100 max... but that's WA state... the peoples republic will likely be different... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Michel Balea wrote: # John is buying jeeps.... I am buying motorcycles 83 Honda XR500. # Any ideas on the rules and penalties when the current owner has not done the # title transfer. # Title has been signed by previous owner 14 months ago, who submitted the # paperwork to the DMV, so the DMV has a record of the current owner, but the # current owner does not have a title on his name, only the title signed by the # previous owner.... Registration is still valid as per the CHP.... # I am trying to figure any penalties, as you have to register the vehicle # within 2 weeks, which was done by the previous owner, but not the current # one.... of course DMV and AAA offices were closed yesterday. # Not a big deal as I found another one.... 3hrs away..... # Cheers # Michel # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:36:44 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts Could also be 12mm 12 point > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:23 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: wilsoncm-at-gmail.com > CC: xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts > > Thanx all... just slipped a 13mm 12-point and a 1/2 inch 12-point. > > The 1/2 inch 12-point fits tighter... but I didn't have a deep in 1/2, > was able to extract a head bolt with the 13mm... > > taking the bolt to town and buy a 1/2 inch 12 point deep to fit. > > thanx Jim B. it appears you nailed it. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, wilsoncm-at-gmail.com wrote: > # Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. > # On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: > # >what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts nope. 1/2" 12pt. a 13mm 12pt was just a little sloppy. picked up the deep socket at McClendons in Woodinville... NAPAs deep socket was too narrow inside... :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, Jim Blair wrote: # Could also be 12mm 12 point # # > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:38:23 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: wilsoncm-at-gmail.com # > CC: xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: what socket needed, 4.0L headbolts # > # > Thanx all... just slipped a 13mm 12-point and a 1/2 inch 12-point. # > # > The 1/2 inch 12-point fits tighter... but I didn't have a deep in 1/2, # > was able to extract a head bolt with the 13mm... # > # > taking the bolt to town and buy a 1/2 inch 12 point deep to fit. # > # > thanx Jim B. it appears you nailed it. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > On Sat, 28 Nov 2009, wilsoncm-at-gmail.com wrote: # > # Just a 12 point something. I'm fairly certain it is not metric. # > # On Nov 28, 2009 1:59am, john wrote: # > # >what is the name or type of socket I need for those headbolts? # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: fsj: Help, Please > My husband is driving a newly aquired (today) old Jeep pick up > on a several hundred mile trip home. For some reason the > gas tank will not accept more than 2 gallons at a time. > > He has tried the regular way and disconnected something > to try and put the gas directly into a large hose that leads to > the tank and this still isn't working. > > He has asked me to send out this plea to anyone who might > know what he could do. Should he try using the smaller hose > that leads to the tank? Is there a vent that could be blocked? > > If you have any knowledge about this we would appreciate your > opinion. > > Thank you for your consideration, > > Wife in waiting ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:47:51 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: popcorn overload... the popcorn is overflowing here... Jeeps a plenty... the guy that I got the dead 2000 WJ from finally looked at the '89 XJ... AFTER we transfered titles today... and decided he is going to let me buy it back cheap... no complaints... I like the '89 XJ limited... it still needs some TLC, but it's a nice clean rig... So I'll finish dialing it in and make a nice return on that labor. Hopefully my '83 J10 step side will be done soon... because, the guy interested in the '86 cj-10a is getting the 2002 subura ready for the trade, will check it out next week... will sell the legacy right as soon as SuperDawg is home... the little tug has been a blast. We made a WVO run today with it down into Seattle... did quite well. So, I'm heading out to the monster carport right now. Got the 12 point 1/2" 1/2" drive deep socket today to pull the head on the '00 WJ 4.0 and see what evil lurks there in... am still hoping the head is ok... but the way my luck is going with all the delays... not expecting it to be good... :) thankfully the '91 300d is doing fine, just needs "go juice"... heading up to the biodiesel barn tomorrow with wvo to get some... only problem is my barrel lift is kaput and my electric tranfer fuel pump doesn't like the cooler weather and biodiesel... not sure how I'll get the biodiesel from there to here and in the tanks... my 5 gal cans were loaned to a friend who is currently on contract in Iowa... so I may be stuck siphoning biodiesel from the 20gal barrels... :) mark and I got his '85 Grand Wagoneer fixed, we swapped the xfr case out yesterday! it's out of the shop... and two jeeps are taking it's place... (the '89 xj and the '00 wj) All in all when I get all these vehicles fixed and out of here I will have pretty much covered the wedding expenses! The Lord has provided... now I have to go out and bust some knuckles. :) soon for sale: '02 subaru legacy '00 grand cherokee '89 cherokee limited ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:01:52 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Help, Please I used a piece of heater hose stuck into the fill neck to fill my J4000. The fuel boils back up due to the alcohol content in the winter fuel. That and holding the handle upside down. If you have 85 octane, it seems to do it a lot less. There is also a hose coming up to the charcoal cannister that may be clogged. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Subject: fsj: Help, Please > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0600 > To: fsj-at-digest.net > >> My husband is driving a newly aquired (today) old Jeep pick up >> on a several hundred mile trip home. For some reason the >> gas tank will not accept more than 2 gallons at a time. >> >> He has tried the regular way and disconnected something >> to try and put the gas directly into a large hose that leads to >> the tank and this still isn't working. >> >> He has asked me to send out this plea to anyone who might >> know what he could do. Should he try using the smaller hose >> that leads to the tank? Is there a vent that could be blocked? >> >> If you have any knowledge about this we would appreciate your >> opinion. >> >> Thank you for your consideration, >> >> Wife in waiting _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: Landon Tesar Subject: RE: fsj: Help, Please Thanks a ton, Jim. I'll try it. I am also considering that the tank may be full. I'm really winging it here, I have no gas guage and no odometer. Oil pressure is 19psi hot at cruise (55 mph) BTW, it has the T18, I'm so happy to shift again! - - Landon - --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Jim Blair wrote: From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Help, Please To: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net, fsj-at-digest.net Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 10:01 PM I used a piece of heater hose stuck into the fill neck to fill my J4000. The fuel boils back up due to the alcohol content in the winter fuel. That and holding the handle upside down. If you have 85 octane, it seems to do it a lot less. There is also a hose coming up to the charcoal cannister that may be clogged. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Subject: fsj: Help, Please > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:57:11 -0600 > To: fsj-at-digest.net > >> My husband is driving a newly aquired (today) old Jeep pick up >> on a several hundred mile trip home. For some reason the >> gas tank will not accept more than 2 gallons at a time. >> >> He has tried the regular way and disconnected something >> to try and put the gas directly into a large hose that leads to >> the tank and this still isn't working. >> >> He has asked me to send out this plea to anyone who might >> know what he could do. Should he try using the smaller hose >> that leads to the tank? Is there a vent that could be blocked? >> >> If you have any knowledge about this we would appreciate your >> opinion. >> >> Thank you for your consideration, >> >> Wife in waiting _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID2472 7::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3475 **************************