From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 29 21:25:08 2009 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 30 2009 Volume 01 : Number 3500 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? fsj: looking at F250 Diesel info... fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? RE: fsj: tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? fsj: city councils and the blight lady FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: diesel john Subject: fsj: tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? today the '86 cj-10a goes to his new home... a guy that still has his all original newly purchased '78 cj7... he's got a jeepster and a few other collectables... will need to check out his fleet. :) he's a pretty cool guy that loves jeeps... he fell in love with the cj-10a, we took a ride in it and he decided he wanted it. it is a very cool rig, if it had a/c and lockable doors (all it takes is money...;) I likely would have kept it... I am so looking forward to normal heat and a dry cab though... :) Anyway, that leaves me without a daily driving Diesel WVO hauler.... have a large pile of cubies and buckets out in the yard from my last run that need to get up to Arlington, but with the cold snap we had a few weeks ago we're not able to make bioDiesel so it's not a big problem. My ultimate WVO hauling Diesel daily driver, my '83 J10 stepside, http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/superdawg-oct2000.jpg was supposed to be put together by now... no idea of how long it's going to take... it'll be done very well no doubt, but I need it now... got the SD33T in September, the TF727 rebuilt in August... so, in the interim what am I going to do? I really shouldn't be hauling WVO in one of the vehicles I plan to keep, or even sell... makes a big mess, unless it's a pickup truck of some kind, or I put each cubie in a bag in a plastic tray... been looking around at some cheap temporary Diesels: a '75 300D: (only 1,500, very tempting... large trunk. ;) http://images.craigslist.org/3k83od3l65V55Uc5R19csdcaa27dde1c11f8a.jpg a '91 F250: (pretty far away, who knows about the '91 F250 Diesels??? AT... issues?) http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4154196630_14bae24274_b.jpg an '87 300TD: (needs an a/c compressor, new seats, 297k, not ideal for wvo hauling) http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1987-300TD-blue/ALL.html each will have "issues"... but each has a/c capability and doors that lock so they're already better than the tug. the other option is to use the '89 XJ for a while... but it's gas... 15-16 mpg yuck... http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/1989_Cherokee_Limited_Dec2009/ALL.html or even the '00 WJ... also gas... ~14-16 mpg http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/2000-WJ-4.0-Nov-2009/ALL.html I don't know how long it'll be before my truck is reassembled... I don't know what the hold up is, or why... The '91 F250 looks good in the pictures, around book value... thinking I might be able to trade the '89 XJ towards it... IF I ever get the title from the guy that blew the engine in the '00WJ... why am I always waiting on someone???? I need to head into town today to pick up the glow plug for my '91 300D, then get home and work on the 4.0L swap in the '00 WJ... almost had the engine out last night... mark went to visit a friend down in Seattle... waiting on him... ;) it's like I'm in the Army again... hurry up and wait... :) thoughts on the '91 F250 Diesel 4x4? should be easy to sell when my J10 is done... what kind of mileage will it get? john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: looking at F250 Diesel info... ...found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rzXNpyurk ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? the tug has left the snohomish monster carport... :( - ------------- how does an oil pan rust through??? rust? whazzthat? sounds like the biggest issue is corrosion... starter, water pump and brakes... something to think about. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Well, let's see if I can remember... His oil pan rusted through (mine is too). His fuel tank rusted through (mine is too). Radiators don't seem to last long (I've gone through three in the past 5 years). Two water pumps, a starter. Front brakes are hard to replace on the 4X4 versions. There's more but I'd have to contact him again... # # Jim # # # --- On Tue, 12/29/09, john wrote: # # > From: john # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:03 PM # > can you get specifics? # > # > toss that cold water... :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Well, not to throw cold water on your # > enthusiasm... I just e-mailed # > # my buddy # > # and he confirmed 17-19 mpg but asked why on earth # > anyone # > # would want one of # > # these. He's had nothing but trouble with # > his. I # > # admit, I've had trouble with # > # mine as well but I contribute most of # > # the problems with mine to my laziness # > # and lack of proper maintenance. # > # You know... pay me now or pay me later. # > # Well, I'm always on the later # > # side of that equation... ;) # > # # > # But, I guess... # > # Be warned. A current owner would RUN the other # > # direction. # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- On Tue, # > # 12/29/09, john # > wrote: # > # # > # > From: john # > # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not # > finished, now what? # > # > To: "Jim # > # Hoffman" # > # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:43 PM # > # > # > # high teens would be better than mid # > # > teens I was getting with the tug... # > # > # > # > # > # I'm pumped... I may run down and buy it out of the # > shop... # > # > ;) just called # > # > # > # the shop... they'll let me look at it in the shop... # > dang, # > # > keep forgetting # > # > # > # to ask how many miles... guess it doesn't matter all # > that # > # > much if it runs # > # > # > # good. what transmission did they use? C6? # > # > # > # > the pictures look nice... # > # clean... simple... not sure what # > # > appeals more to # > # > me... 4x4, Diesel, the # > # color, or the price... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # > # > # For that price, ship it over # > # here! ;) # > # > # # > # > # I've heard guys getting low 20's with them # > but I think # > # > # > # my buddy # > # > # get's high teens. # > # > # # > # > # Jim # > # > # # > # > # --- On Tue, # > # 12/29/09, john # > # > wrote: # > # > # # > # > # > From: john # > # # > # > # > Subject: Re: [db] tug finally sold, # > J10 not # > # > # > # finished, now what? # > # > # > To: "Jim Hoffman" # > # > # > Cc: # > # diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > # > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, # > 12:14 PM # > # > # # > # > thanx... it's in the shop for a PS # > # > # > hose right now, it's about 60 # > # miles # > # > # > south of me... they're asking $2250 # > for it... # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # what kind of mileage would I expect in town with # > # > it? # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # > Snohomish, Washington # > -o|||||o- where # > # > # > Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > # > # > # http://creationwiki.org # > # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > # http://fotomeister.us # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman # > wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # That's the last year of the eighth # > # > generation F-series: # > # > # > # # > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series # > # > # > # # > # > # > # 7.3l Navistar # > # diesel. Non-turbo # > # > # > # IDI (indirect # > injection). Basically # > # > # > # # > # the same engine I have in my '94 but # > # > # > # minus the turbo. My # > buddy has # > # > # > # an 87 and I've driven # > it. It's got plenty # > # > of # > # > # > # pep for a # > # non turbo # > # > # > # engine. That truck looks # > nice. I'd # > # > certainly # > # > # > # > # take it for # > # > # > # an interim # > # > # > # truck. # > # > # > # # > # > # > # Jim # > # > # > # # > # # > # > # > # > a '91 F250: (pretty # > far away, who # > # > knows about # > # > # > # > # the # > # > # > # '91 # > # > # > # > F250 Diesels??? # > AT... issues?) # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # > # http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4154196630_14bae24274_b.jpg # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > The # > # > # > # '91 F250 looks good in the # > pictures, # > # around # > # > book # > # > # > # > value... thinking I # > might # > # > # > # > be able to # > # trade the '89 XJ towards # > # > it... IF I ever # > # > # > get the # > # > # > # > title # > # from the # > # > # > # guy # > # > # > # > that blew the engine in # > the '00WJ... # > # > why # > # am I # > # > # > always # > # > # > # > waiting on # > # > # > # someone???? # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > thoughts on the '91 F250 # > Diesel 4x4? # > # > should # > # > # > be # > # easy # > # > # > # > to # > # > # > # sell when my J10 is done... # > # > # > # > what # > # kind of mileage will it get? # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # # > # # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? rofl... I think I'll go and look at that '75 300D... I may look at the F250, once it's out of the shop... maybe... not sure if I want to drive that far when I have jeeps and mercedes to fix... maybe I should just use the '89 xj for the time being... no need to buy yet another vehicle... at least until I sell the '89 xj and the '00 WJ. Gas isn't that expensive... thanx Jim... if I look at the F250 I will look at it with a careful eye... knowing what I'm getting into is a good plan... always find friends on the list helpful. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Here are three e-mails from my buddy... As you will soon see, he's # not real fond of the problems he's had and now is not real fond of # me for making him relive the memories... ;) # # Oh, and he mentions cavitation, my truck's engine was replaced at # 60k miles by Ford after failing by cavitation. My truck's E40D was # also replaced by the previous owner at 99k. They ARE a weak link. # If that '91 is an automatic it almost certainly has an E40D. Look # THAT one up online... ;) # # He's an entertaining writer. Another engineer geek. ;) # # Jim # # # Emergency brake linkage cable broke. # Fuel Pump went bad # Water pump failed # Power steering hose ruptured # Power steering box blew seal # Ball joints busted # Rusted brake lines # Transfer box locked up due to a broken seal leaking all the fluid. # Cold temp idle advance switch replaced by a toggle switch and an owner standing on a slippery bumper under a raised hood freezing his jingle bells off and cursing every time he wants the truck to start. # Glowplugs needing to be replaced by the ones from Germany since the AC Delco ones burn out the first time you use them. # Headlamp switch burned up harness # Paint fell off # Muffler support bracket rusts out as you watch # # Shall I go on? # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # I meant to say "Injector pump went bad". Don't want the guy getting the idea he was going to get away with just $100.00 when $1000.00 is so much better. # # Oh, did I mention that I have lived in fear that the dread E4OD automatic transmission I had could explode at any time? # # About the only things I haven't change are the Injectors. # # Thanks for helping me to relive those wonderful memories. # # ;-) # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Did I mention the cavitation "issue"? The one that Ford was sued for and lost? The one that required them to repair thousands of commercial vehicles since no mention of the coolant additive was ever made? # # Short of using a borescope or a complete teardown there is no way for him to know the status of the block. If he's unlucky enough to have a cylinder wall perforation while cranking he will most likely have a broken connecting rod, piston, and possibly a bent crankshaft. Water is not compressible and there is not much that can stop that series-wound DC starter motor from turning. # # Oh, if he is expecting to be comfortable in the cab while he's driving tell him to forget it: # A/C lost Freon and it's more expensive per ounce than fillet mignon # Climate Control linkage busted so it's stuck on HOT # Fan speed control busted so it's either High or nothing # # Yep, all salt-related problems... # # ;) # # Then there's the time I tried to start it and the ring terminal carrying battery current to the starter MELTED into a puddle of bronze that solidified on my driveway. Oh it was so much fun to remove that harness and then actually get it repaired rather than buy a new one at over $150.00 with my Q/G discount. Of course, the missing half inch of wire where the guy had to attach the new ring terminal using a crimper you hit with a hammer to make the crimp (that is really thick wire) made it almost impossible to reattach the cable. I thanked Ford for that money-saving design the whole time I was under the truck struggling with it. # # Then again, if he does buy the truck he can proudly tell his friends that, since Ford made the battery cables on the driver side thinner than those on the passenger side, he has to "Jump the passenger" if he ever needs a jump start. Of course, he will need a tractor trailer rig to supply the current he needs but, well, a guy can dream. # # C* # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:54:46 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? The IH 7.3l is fine, even tho that is pre-powersmoke. The C6 3 speed auto is fine but the OD is problematic unless updated by someone in the know > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:47:47 -0800 > From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > To: > Subject: fsj: tug finally sold, J10 not finished, now what? > > today the '86 cj-10a goes to his new home... a guy that still has > his all original newly purchased '78 cj7... he's got a jeepster and a > few other collectables... will need to check out his fleet. :) he's a > pretty cool guy that loves jeeps... he fell in love with the cj-10a, we > took a ride in it and he decided he wanted it. it is a very cool rig, if > it had a/c and lockable doors (all it takes is money...;) I likely would have > kept it... I am so looking forward to normal heat and a dry cab though... :) > > > Anyway, that leaves me without a daily driving Diesel WVO hauler.... have a > large pile of cubies and buckets out in the yard from my last run that need > to get up to Arlington, but with the cold snap we had a few weeks ago we're > not able to make bioDiesel so it's not a big problem. > > > My ultimate WVO hauling Diesel daily driver, my '83 J10 stepside, > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/superdawg-oct2000.jpg > was supposed to be put together by now... > no idea of how long it's going to take... it'll be done very well no doubt, but > I need it now... got the SD33T in September, the TF727 rebuilt in August... > > > so, in the interim what am I going to do? I really shouldn't be hauling WVO > in one of the vehicles I plan to keep, or even sell... makes a big mess, unless > it's a pickup truck of some kind, or I put each cubie in a bag in a plastic tray... > > been looking around at some cheap temporary Diesels: > a '75 300D: (only 1,500, very tempting... large trunk. ;) > http://images.craigslist.org/3k83od3l65V55Uc5R19csdcaa27dde1c11f8a.jpg > > a '91 F250: (pretty far away, who knows about the '91 F250 Diesels??? AT... issues?) > http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4154196630_14bae24274_b.jpg > > an '87 300TD: (needs an a/c compressor, new seats, 297k, not ideal for wvo hauling) > http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/1987-300TD-blue/ALL.html > > > each will have "issues"... but each has a/c capability and doors that lock > so they're already better than the tug. > > the other option is to use the '89 XJ for a while... but it's gas... 15-16 mpg yuck... > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/1989_Cherokee_Limited_Dec2009/ALL.html > > or even the '00 WJ... also gas... ~14-16 mpg > http://wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/2000-WJ-4.0-Nov-2009/ALL.html > > I don't know how long it'll be before my > truck is reassembled... I don't know what the hold up is, or why... > > > The '91 F250 looks good in the pictures, around book value... thinking I might > be able to trade the '89 XJ towards it... IF I ever get the title from the guy > that blew the engine in the '00WJ... why am I always waiting on someone???? > > > I need to head into town today to pick up the glow plug for my '91 300D, then > get home and work on the 4.0L swap in the '00 WJ... almost had the engine out > last night... mark went to visit a friend down in Seattle... waiting on him... ;) > > > it's like I'm in the Army again... hurry up and wait... :) > > thoughts on the '91 F250 Diesel 4x4? should be easy to sell when my J10 is done... > what kind of mileage will it get? > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft^Rs powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:20:44 -0500 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: city councils and the blight lady Is Seattle really bad about old cars in the yard? I know in some jurisdictions the car hobbyists have successfully pushed back. Without commentary on search and seizure and the Bill of Rights there are some road blocks that you can put in place to keep your cars. When I lived in Ferndale Michigan I had frequent run ins with the "blight lady". I had at various times a parts MG in the back yard, my Wag complete with it's flame job and otherwise mismatching paint, my presentable Dodge Dakota, and my old plow truck (which I wish I still had) which was a beat up 3/4 ton Dodge Ram from the 80's. I would also have stray engines, transmissions, axles and so on in the yard from time to time. I would get threats that the city was going to come to my house...into my back yard, remove my vehicles, and then bill me for it. I made a point of always backing my vehicles in (a habit i still have as it makes jump starting easier) so unless the city wanted to trespass on my property they couldn't see the plates. (Michigan is a rear plate only state...like New Mexico). When the city threatened to dispose of my cars I would call them up, explain that every last one of them was registered, insured, and drivable, and I didn't see what the problem was (the cars were for the most part registered and insured except for parts cars). I would also always ask them point blank "have you been trespassing on my property?" This would get them out of my way for a while. I would also get in trouble for having cars on jack stands in the back yard. Supposedly dangerous...but what responsible parent is going to let their kid play under my car in my gated back yard? A tall fence might help too. Also when I left Michigan I was working on a tall locking gate so you really couldn't get back in the yard even if you wanted to...or for that matter even see in. One of myneighbors had an alternate theory that the 'blight lady' who was this humorless oldwoman was constantly writing me up with the hope that maybe I would askher out on a date. Now I live in New Mexico where junk cars in the yard are strongly encouraged by local custom. Of course out here you have people who have built whole houses without pulling a city permit. There are a few subtle good points about living in a hippie town in a dirt poor state. Mark Wallace 81 Wag ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3500 **************************