From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 11 07:59:58 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, January 11 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3513 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update RE: fsj: am fm cb radio wiring FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:12:49 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota trucks is how freaking light they were. And the fact that rust was a problem on them only helped in the lightening department, which made them run better. In 4x4 version, my tenant's 85 gasser toyota pickup is probably 1400 lbs lighter than my 74 cherokee with straight six. Which John saw in person in Medford several years ago :) For the diesel nuts, the 2L (non-turbo) had a much better head than the 2L-T (turbo) version. Since both had underpiston cooling, you were actually better off starting with a non-turbo, using a chinese exhaust manifold from e-bay that used a T-3 style mount (since the turbo 2L-T used a CT-20 which, to call junk, would insult thousands of poorly designed things worldwide), then a T-3 junkyard turbo from a 2.2 chrysler than you were with the factory setup. Fab up the rest, and enjoy something better than the factory offered. [personally, I prefer larger vehicles, so my toyota diesel is a landcruiser with a much heavier duty four cylinder diesel.] On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:58:06PM -0800, john wrote: > I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good rpm range and top end. > > I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, much tighter gear box. > > I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little concern, that it rusted that > much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes with old license plates > and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) > > and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much appreciated. > > thanx all! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update kevin... wow... how tempting... next Jim will come on with how my AW4 will mate up and then Dave will come on with an axle swap and voila... a 4x4 automatic Diesel... :) I need to do a reality check... yeah, I know... hard to do in my world... the '89 Cherokee is running great... but I won't drive it daily because it's gas... and I shouldn't keep it because I already have two nice vehicles... my '91 300D and the '99 WJ... so selling the XJ will pay for the Toyota which will be a stand in until SuperDawg is done... then I should be able to sell the Toyota for whatever I have into it... I guess the Toyota makes sense... I'll see if I can get the guy to come down a bit more...otherwise I'll have to come up with some more money. ;) thanx for the input kevin, fire up that Ultra 10... I'll be looking for that manual. first order of business will be to fix the bumpers... by removing them... need to get some sort of replacement front pan or valence... maybe do something to lower the front a bit... then patch the holes in the bed with old license plates and bondo, hit the bare metal with rust converter and paint the thing one color... I may go for another $24.08 paint job, or splurge and spent $200 at Maaco... we'll see. Either way, the Toyota drove out very nicely... very nicely... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: # I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota trucks is # how freaking light they were. And the fact that rust was a problem on them # only helped in the lightening department, which made them run better. In 4x4 # version, my tenant's 85 gasser toyota pickup is probably 1400 lbs lighter than # my 74 cherokee with straight six. Which John saw in person in Medford several # years ago :) # # For the diesel nuts, the 2L (non-turbo) had a much better head than the 2L-T # (turbo) version. Since both had underpiston cooling, you were actually better # off starting with a non-turbo, using a chinese exhaust manifold from e-bay that # used a T-3 style mount (since the turbo 2L-T used a CT-20 which, to call junk, # would insult thousands of poorly designed things worldwide), then a T-3 # junkyard turbo from a 2.2 chrysler than you were with the factory setup. Fab # up the rest, and enjoy something better than the factory offered. # # [personally, I prefer larger vehicles, so my toyota diesel is a landcruiser # with a much heavier duty four cylinder diesel.] # # On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:58:06PM -0800, john wrote: # > I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good rpm range and top end. # > # > I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, much tighter gear box. # > # > I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little concern, that it rusted that # > much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes with old license plates # > and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) # > # > and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much appreciated. # > # > thanx all! # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:51:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update what about the idea of transplanting that Diesel engine into a nice short box 4x4 toyota? and then taking the stinking gas engine out of that 4x4 and putting it into the 2wd model and selling it to someone who just needs a small pickup cheap? just an idea at this point... my hope is still in superdawg... this little 5spd 2wd toyota will be fine until he's ready... if it snows, I'll drive the WJ, or if the xj is still here that. or I'll work virtually... plenty of options... but do need something to move nasty WVO cubies around and not eager to put them in or on my xj, wj or 124... hauling the trailer is absurd, very tight parking lots and that sucker is heavy... not to mention full of wet compost right now too. ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # # Just waiting for a reply on the Toy diesel automatic bell housing (they use AW4, but had RH drop front axle), flexplate and converter. Don't put much into it as I might be the one who wants it next and I'd only use it for parts! (Toy 1/4 ton frames don't do heavy loads well) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:31:45 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; DZAshby-at-comcast.net # > Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update # > # > kevin... wow... how tempting... next Jim will come on with how my AW4 will mate # > up and then Dave will come on with an axle swap and voila... a 4x4 automatic Diesel... # > # > :) # > # > I need to do a reality check... yeah, I know... hard to do in my world... # > # > the '89 Cherokee is running great... but I won't drive it daily because it's gas... and # > I shouldn't keep it because I already have two nice vehicles... my '91 300D and # > the '99 WJ... so selling the XJ will pay for the Toyota which will be a stand in # > until SuperDawg is done... then I should be able to sell the Toyota for whatever # > I have into it... # > # > I guess the Toyota makes sense... I'll see if I can get the guy to come down a bit # > more...otherwise I'll have to come up with some more money. ;) # > # > thanx for the input kevin, fire up that Ultra 10... I'll be looking for that manual. # > # > first order of business will be to fix the bumpers... by removing them... need to # > get some sort of replacement front pan or valence... maybe do something to lower # > the front a bit... then patch the holes in the bed with old license plates and bondo, # > hit the bare metal with rust converter and paint the thing one color... I may go # > for another $24.08 paint job, or splurge and spent $200 at Maaco... we'll see. # > # > Either way, the Toyota drove out very nicely... very nicely... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Kevin wrote: # > # > # I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota trucks is # > # how freaking light they were. And the fact that rust was a problem on them # > # only helped in the lightening department, which made them run better. In 4x4 # > # version, my tenant's 85 gasser toyota pickup is probably 1400 lbs lighter than # > # my 74 cherokee with straight six. Which John saw in person in Medford several # > # years ago :) # > # # > # For the diesel nuts, the 2L (non-turbo) had a much better head than the 2L-T # > # (turbo) version. Since both had underpiston cooling, you were actually better # > # off starting with a non-turbo, using a chinese exhaust manifold from e-bay that # > # used a T-3 style mount (since the turbo 2L-T used a CT-20 which, to call junk, # > # would insult thousands of poorly designed things worldwide), then a T-3 # > # junkyard turbo from a 2.2 chrysler than you were with the factory setup. Fab # > # up the rest, and enjoy something better than the factory offered. # > # # > # [personally, I prefer larger vehicles, so my toyota diesel is a landcruiser # > # with a much heavier duty four cylinder diesel.] # > # # > # On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:58:06PM -0800, john wrote: # > # > I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good rpm range and top end. # > # > # > # > I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, much tighter gear box. # > # > # > # > I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little concern, that it rusted that # > # > much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes with old license plates # > # > and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) # > # > # > # > and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much appreciated. # > # > # > # > thanx all! # > # # # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:58:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update this is a short term item... no plans to build this as my dream truck. it runs well and will work fine for WVO and BioDiesel hauling... my '83 J10 stepside is still in work and hopefully will be done soon. anything I do with this 2wd toyota should be recoverable... hope to clean up the body/paint/bumpers cheaply... make it one color without holes... :) if it is possible to move that Diesel into a nicer 4x4 short box and take that gas engine and put it into the 2wd model without a lot of cost or expense, that would be good... or maybe just drop this Diesel into a 4x4 short box with a dead gas engine and scrap the rest... it's just a thought... my dream truck is still superdawg, the '83 J10 step side that is getting an SD33T/TF727/np208 running 3.54 gears with 235s... if my gearing is too low, I'll go to 31's... it's already got 2" of body lift and about 2" of spring lift... comes with factory a/c and even has a jeep sunroof... will be painted the same color as my '99 WJ... using a pair of nice leather XJ seats, just like in my current '89, but out of a 2dr xj so I can get behind the seats... power even... nice... it's even sitting on what was new tires in 2001... pass the popcorn please... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Randy Bennell wrote: # Go ahead - so long as you recognize it for what it is - just another project # that you will fix and sell as soon as posssible. I don't see you being happy # with it for long. # # Now, if you want a decent pickup for the long haul, go back to looking at # domestic trucks. Probably a GM is preferable or a Dodge. The full sized # Blazer that you had a while back with the diesel was a nice truck. If you # had essentially the same thing in a pickup truck, I think you would be # happier than you will be with the Toyota. # # Randy # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john # Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:58 AM # To: Michel Balea # Cc: full size jeep list; diesel-benz list; David Ashby # Subject: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update # # # I don't know what the HP is, but it goes faster than my Tug did... has good # rpm range and top end. # # I like the way it felt... it felt very much like the Ranger but with a much, # much tighter gear box. # # I may call the guy with an increased offer... :) the rust is of little # concern, that it rusted that # much here is odd... but I'll hit it with rust stopper and patch the holes # with old license plates # and bondo... just like I've done with so many old FSJs. :) # # and yes, the input from the lists has been absolutely splendid and much # appreciated. # # thanx all! # # john # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # # On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # # # # # # # Looks good, you are getting good feedback from the list(s). # # # # The rust on the toy could be a concern (driver's floor... too much # jumping on that pedal to make the truck runs faster) but the engine # accessibility is exceptional. How many ponies under that NA engine? # # # # Michel # # # # # # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # # > To: # # > Subject: fsj: popcorn update # # No virus found in this incoming message. # Checked by AVG - www.avg.com # Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.133/2612 - Release Date: 01/10/10 # 13:35:00 # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: popcorn update rats... I had hopes of taking a short cut out of the parking garage with this one... guess I'll have to use the normal exit... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # > I gave John input offline, but the biggest asset to those 2wd toyota # > trucks is # > how freaking light they were. # # *** Yes, # # They don't react well to being dropped off exploding buildings :). # # - Jerry # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: am fm cb radio wiring you're welcome... glad you got it figured out. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 11 Jan 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # # Thanks for your help. The black wires speaker(s) and ground are all connected. Orange is dashlight (+) and brown is (+). # # It worked, there is some static, but using a screwdriver into an old antenna wire is not ideal, so are the alligator clips to connect the salvaged speaker. FM is really good. I could not pick up any CB and the AM is poor... but the redneck antenna is probably the culprit. # # This radio is neat, when you select CB stand-by the radio is still in the background. # # There is some static when changing wavelength on the radio, but it was less and less present as I used the radio which has been stored in a box for the last 3 years or so. # # The SW meter is not registering anything, but its display is lit when CB or standby is selected. # # Cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:43:22 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: proj96xj-at-insightbb.com # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: am fm cb radio wiring # > # > the 'B' is michele, not the wiring info, # > and black in DC circuits is almost always # > ground or a return. # > # > B voltage for tubes was for the plate and # > was typically 300V. # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://creationwiki.org # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Neal Hoover wrote: # > # > # in the olden days, "B" in wiring diagrams referred # > # to Battery. B1 and B2 would mean that both of # > # those wires would go to 12V+. one for the amp # > # power and one for the CB power perhaps. white and # > # green for one speaker and brown and orange for the # > # other speaker. ground by bolting the chassis into # > # the dash. # > # now, i'm by no means saying that's what it is, but # > # it's feasible in my book. # > # # > # Neal A. Hoover # > # Project '76 J-10 # > # Project '96 XJ # > # http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj # > # # > # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # > # # > # To: "Michel Balea" # > # Cc: "fsj digest" # > # Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:11 AM # > # Subject: Re: fsj: am fm cb radio wiring # > # # > # # > # >I looked through every manual from '76 - '82. # > # >the cb info was in the '80 manual # > # > however NO wiring info... # > # > # > # > ok, so if tan and green are the speakers then # > # > black should go with EACH of them... # > # > # > # > try metering the black leads and see if they are # > # > connected internally. # > # > # > # > if not ohm the tan/black until you get a # > # > reading, you'll need to reverse the # > # > leads as this will probably be the output of a # > # > power transistor. # > # > # > # > Then ohm the black to the case. My guess is # > # > that they may be connected to each # > # > other but NOT the case... reason is they may be # > # > using a push-pull amplifier # > # > to get the power output, if you ground the # > # > speakers you'll blow the amp... but # > # > if that was the case there most likely would be # > # > a label saying not to ground # > # > the speakers... any such label? (this is why # > # > you are not supposed to ground # > # > a speaker... that and you'll get a lot of # > # > noise...) # > # > # > # > I'm thinking that this thing gets it's ground # > # > through the case as the coax # > # > cable is attached to the case... which makes # > # > sense, you want that as a shield # > # > for the CB. # > # > # > # > So, to solve your problem, ohm the black lines # > # > to each other if b1 and b2 # > # > are connected then those are the returns for the # > # > speakers... if they # > # > are connected to the case ground directly then # > # > they are just running those # > # > lines for the speaker returns... what the meter # > # > carefully when you go # > # > black to case, reverse the leads when you do... # > # > if you get a difference # > # > switching the leads you do not want to ground # > # > those black lines. :) # > # > # > # > the other way is to bench test it... make sure # > # > you have an antenna connected # > # > although you won't damage the CB output amp # > # > unless you key the mike... # > # > # > # > connect a pair of wires to the speaker, if they # > # > work, see if they work with the black # > # > leads switched... my guess is they will. # > # > # > # > also, you can optimize the speaker sound by # > # > connecting them up so they sound the # > # > best... I think the trick is to put it on an AM # > # > station... then switch the leads # > # > to the speaker until it's the clearest... (I # > # > used to be a tv/radio repair man # > # > way, way, way back... before SuperDawg was # > # > born... late '60s... back when tubes # > # > were tubes and transistors were new fangled # > # > devices...:) # > # > # > # > # > # > the white wire is dash light? # > # > orange power? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > # > don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # > http:http://creationwiki.org # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com # > # > http:http://fotomeister.us # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # > # > # I need to wire that pristine radio that I got # > # > # for a steal at the local # > # > yard. # > # > # # > # > # I can figure orange (+) /brown (+) and the # > # > # speakers. The only catch is # > # > that I # > # > # have 2 black wires on the side and was # > # > # wondering which is which Ground # > # > and # > # > # speaker ground? Basically I could ground the # > # > # chassis and disregard one # > # > of the # > # > # black wires (labelled B1 and B2) on the # > # > # following pict: # > # > # # > # > # http://picasaweb.google.com/jeepmr/FSJ#5424903747235616306 # > # > # # > # > # I have the antenna splitter for the CB/radio # > # > # signal. # > # > # # > # > # Thanks for the input. # > # > # # > # > # Michel # > # > # # > # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft^Rs # > # > # powerful SPAM protection. # > # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ # > # > # # > # # > # # # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3513 **************************