From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 3 19:58:41 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, February 4 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3525 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix fsj: Re: sandblasted windshield fix RE: fsj: Re: sandblasted windshield fix Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix a new gasket from BJs and a new windshield... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a # windshield. # # Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced # it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So # as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with # the devastating results. # # Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. # # cheers # # Michel # # _________________________________________________________________ # Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:24:37 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five years, it becomes a water leak. Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) does not have that problem. On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a > windshield. > > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with > the devastating results. > > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:32:50 -0700 From: Troy Phagan Subject: fsj: Re: sandblasted windshield fix RE: Sandblasted windshield fix The Eastwood Co. (http://www.eastwood.com/) used to sell materials for polishing glass. I have never done it, or used it myself. It used to be done more often 'back in the day' by glass shops, but now, I don't know of anyone that bothers, except for restorers. Saw it done once on "Trucks TV" or something. But, like a lot of things, it is harder to do than it looks on TV. It is very time consuming and messy. You can create wavy distortions in the glass, etc. It's like polishing paint, only harder... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:03:13 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: sandblasted windshield fix NAPA sells a 3M polishing kit for windows and headlights > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:32:50 -0700 > From: tsp-at-crptruck.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: sandblasted windshield fix > > RE: Sandblasted windshield fix > > The Eastwood Co. (http://www.eastwood.com/) used to sell materials for > polishing glass. I have never done it, or used it myself. It used to > be done more often 'back in the day' by glass shops, but now, I don't > know of anyone that bothers, except for restorers. > Saw it done once on "Trucks TV" or something. But, like a lot of > things, it is harder to do than it looks on TV. It is very time > consuming and messy. You can create wavy distortions in the glass, > etc. It's like polishing paint, only harder... _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. I've got pictures somewhere... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five # years, it becomes a water leak. # # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) # does not have that problem. # # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: # > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a # > windshield. # > # > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced # > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So # > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with # > the devastating results. # > # > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:24:07 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix Thanks for all the replies. Not too sure about popping in a windshield myself... I wish they made glued in replacement, so I could lather sealant all over. Talking about the chrome trim, I could not put the spares that I need to install, do you need some lubricant? I agree the polishing compound seems like a time sink. I had a new gasket and a new windshield.... and it was installed by some pro... that was 12 years ago. It leaked.... they fixed it... and again... it did not leak... until 6 years later when the rust started to appear. Now that I am dealing with another vehicle... I am wondering who to trust to prevent another rust issue. We all know that nobody can really do a job as good as the manufacturer job: rebuilt engine, trany.... they all seem to fail within 5/50,000. I have this pristine 66 with no rust.... a bit of the quarter panel lip is rusted and the rear pivot point for the back seat is detached (big rust hole).... but the floor is clean and dry. Michel 74wag w 349,xxx miles on OEM engine/trany, and some rust. > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > > one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... > > the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. > > I've got pictures somewhere... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: > > # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper > # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, > # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five > # years, it becomes a water leak. > # > # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA > # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position > # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak > # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll > # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the > # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) > # does not have that problem. > # > # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: > # > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a > # > windshield. > # > > # > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced > # > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So > # > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with > # > the devastating results. > # > > # > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. > # _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/BODY/GLASS/FSJ-Windshield/ALL.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # # # Thanks for all the replies. # # Not too sure about popping in a windshield myself... I wish they made glued in replacement, so I could lather sealant all over. # # Talking about the chrome trim, I could not put the spares that I need to install, do you need some lubricant? # # I agree the polishing compound seems like a time sink. # # I had a new gasket and a new windshield.... and it was installed by some pro... that was 12 years ago. It leaked.... they fixed it... and again... it did not leak... until 6 years later when the rust started to appear. # # Now that I am dealing with another vehicle... I am wondering who to trust to prevent another rust issue. We all know that nobody can really do a job as good as the manufacturer job: rebuilt engine, trany.... they all seem to fail within 5/50,000. # # I have this pristine 66 with no rust.... a bit of the quarter panel lip is rusted and the rear pivot point for the back seat is detached (big rust hole).... but the floor is clean and dry. # # Michel # 74wag w 349,xxx miles on OEM engine/trany, and some rust. # # # > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix # > # > one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... # > # > the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. # > # > I've got pictures somewhere... # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: # > # > # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper # > # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, # > # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five # > # years, it becomes a water leak. # > # # > # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA # > # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position # > # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak # > # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll # > # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the # > # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) # > # does not have that problem. # > # # > # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a # > # > windshield. # > # > # > # > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced # > # > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So # > # > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with # > # > the devastating results. # > # > # > # > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 03:33:18 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix Very, very good instructional windshield installation, I appreciate the efforts that the installers are generating...... It takes a lot of soap and whatever foam to slide that big piece of glass, I like the suction cup to slide it. I guess I can take it off.... breaking it is easy.... this is what I did 12 or 15 years ago to try to fix the rust around the frame.... But I believe that the roof sealant is not perfect either. Putting the chrome trim is real winner. I may wait for the summer and take the jeep to the central valley where temperature are usually over 100F. Eastwood sells a polishing compound for deeply scratch glass.... could be worth a try on the passenger side for a test. Last year was supposed to be the year of only "one" wagoneer and I am still counting "three", all running with various ailments, but "two" have their current tags. Cheers Michel > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:03:09 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > > > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/BODY/GLASS/FSJ-Windshield/ALL.html > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: > > # > # > # Thanks for all the replies. > # > # Not too sure about popping in a windshield myself... I wish they made glued in replacement, so I could lather sealant all over. > # > # Talking about the chrome trim, I could not put the spares that I need to install, do you need some lubricant? > # > # I agree the polishing compound seems like a time sink. > # > # I had a new gasket and a new windshield.... and it was installed by some pro... that was 12 years ago. It leaked.... they fixed it... and again... it did not leak... until 6 years later when the rust started to appear. > # > # Now that I am dealing with another vehicle... I am wondering who to trust to prevent another rust issue. We all know that nobody can really do a job as good as the manufacturer job: rebuilt engine, trany.... they all seem to fail within 5/50,000. > # > # I have this pristine 66 with no rust.... a bit of the quarter panel lip is rusted and the rear pivot point for the back seat is detached (big rust hole).... but the floor is clean and dry. > # > # Michel > # 74wag w 349,xxx miles on OEM engine/trany, and some rust. > # > # > # > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix > # > > # > one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... > # > > # > the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. > # > > # > I've got pictures somewhere... > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper > # > # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, > # > # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five > # > # years, it becomes a water leak. > # > # > # > # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA > # > # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position > # > # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak > # > # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll > # > # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the > # > # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) > # > # does not have that problem. > # > # > # > # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: > # > # > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a > # > # > windshield. > # > # > > # > # > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced > # > # > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So > # > # > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with > # > # > the devastating results. > # > # > > # > # > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix you can actually remove it without breaking it... jim blair and I have done it... (that was you working with me that time, right? :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # # Very, very good instructional windshield installation, I appreciate the efforts that the installers are generating...... It takes a lot of soap and whatever foam to slide that big piece of glass, I like the suction cup to slide it. # # I guess I can take it off.... breaking it is easy.... this is what I did 12 or 15 years ago to try to fix the rust around the frame.... But I believe that the roof sealant is not perfect either. # # Putting the chrome trim is real winner. I may wait for the summer and take the jeep to the central valley where temperature are usually over 100F. # # Eastwood sells a polishing compound for deeply scratch glass.... could be worth a try on the passenger side for a test. # # Last year was supposed to be the year of only "one" wagoneer and I am still counting "three", all running with various ailments, but "two" have their current tags. # # Cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:03:09 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix # > # > # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/BODY/GLASS/FSJ-Windshield/ALL.html # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # # > # # > # Thanks for all the replies. # > # # > # Not too sure about popping in a windshield myself... I wish they made glued in replacement, so I could lather sealant all over. # > # # > # Talking about the chrome trim, I could not put the spares that I need to install, do you need some lubricant? # > # # > # I agree the polishing compound seems like a time sink. # > # # > # I had a new gasket and a new windshield.... and it was installed by some pro... that was 12 years ago. It leaked.... they fixed it... and again... it did not leak... until 6 years later when the rust started to appear. # > # # > # Now that I am dealing with another vehicle... I am wondering who to trust to prevent another rust issue. We all know that nobody can really do a job as good as the manufacturer job: rebuilt engine, trany.... they all seem to fail within 5/50,000. # > # # > # I have this pristine 66 with no rust.... a bit of the quarter panel lip is rusted and the rear pivot point for the back seat is detached (big rust hole).... but the floor is clean and dry. # > # # > # Michel # > # 74wag w 349,xxx miles on OEM engine/trany, and some rust. # > # # > # # > # > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:46:14 -0800 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > # > CC: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: Re: fsj: sandblasted windshield fix # > # > # > # > one other thing, you can do the windshield yourself on an FSJ... it's like a ziplock bag... # > # > # > # > the hard part is putting the chrome back on... if you have any. # > # > # > # > I've got pictures somewhere... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Kevin wrote: # > # > # > # > # In the toyota world (both minitruck/hilux/4runner and landcruiser) improper # > # > # fitting or installation or gasket or whatever absolutely causes a rust problem, # > # > # even in california, in a short couple of years. If left alone for four or five # > # > # years, it becomes a water leak. # > # > # # > # > # Two of the three SJs (the 77 from montana, the 74 from ohio that's lived in CA # > # > # for about 30 years) have what looks like a rust bubble starting in a position # > # > # similar to where the toyotas get it, but neither of them have started to leak # > # > # water into the cabin. Both windshields are getting tired, so I figure I'll # > # > # have to probably spend some time on some rust repair when I replace the # > # > # windshield. The other (the 83 I bought from the original owner here in CA) # > # > # does not have that problem. # > # > # # > # > # On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:17:52PM +0000, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # > I need to have some ideas about fixing... yes fixing the tiny pits on a # > # > # > windshield. # > # > # > # > # > # > Some years ago, after the wagoneer windshield was badly pitted I replaced # > # > # > it... very effective, except that the new gasket was never fitted properly. So # > # > # > as I may have to face the same issue soon, and do not want a leaky gasket with # > # > # > the devastating results. # > # > # > # > # > # > Any Ideas or products or professional outlets. # > # > # # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. # > # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ # # _________________________________________________________________ # Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. # http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3525 **************************