From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Mar 14 23:18:10 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, March 15 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3549 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring fsj: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question RE: fsj: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question RE: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring fsj: Fwd: Re: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question (fwd) fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring remember to make sure there is fusible link between the battery and the firewall. if someone replaced the fusible link with solid wire you're at risk of that jbq. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Kim Tesar wrote: # Hi, this should be quick for those of you who've done this 20 times. # # The alternator has the basic two wire space connector, the big battery # terminal and wire, and one more red wire that leads to the ignition switch, # maybe to run the accessories? # # Should this last smaller wire connect also to the big battery terminal on the # alternator, or there is a smaller stud, not insulated, for this one? I don't # want to fry the alternator or start a Jeep b q. # # Thanks, Landon # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring I have wiring diagrams here: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Wiring/ ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Kim Tesar wrote: # Hi, this should be quick for those of you who've done this 20 times. # # The alternator has the basic two wire space connector, the big battery # terminal and wire, and one more red wire that leads to the ignition switch, # maybe to run the accessories? # # Should this last smaller wire connect also to the big battery terminal on the # alternator, or there is a smaller stud, not insulated, for this one? I don't # want to fry the alternator or start a Jeep b q. # # Thanks, Landon # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:32:28 -0400 From: wallacem7-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question Terry - Those right hand drive full size jeeps are very cool. Is the shifter on the floor factory? The background is a guy came by the house asking if I would sell my Wag for parts. The short answer was no, but I got to talking with him. he had a two door Cherokee that was pieced together out of a frame from one Cherokee, a body from another, a shackle lift of unknown origin, a gutted dash...best described as a work in progress. He had been quoted anywhere from $300 to $1800 US to rebuld his transfer case which had a heavy clunking under acceleration. It has much the same sound as a New Process T-Case does when the chain has streched. I have built a couple of New Process T-Cases so I'm not really afread of taking anything apart. I have never had a BW T-case, but I had recalled that they had a knob in the glove box (which was totally missing from this jeep) and that it wasn't a straight through case. So my question is how hard is it to rebuild a BW Quadra Trac T-case? Had anybody done it and are there any things to be specially careful of? Another question is does anybody on this list go to the yearly Ouray invasions that are on Jubileejeeps.com? I seem to recall Flint and Krista Boardman from the Full Size Jeep list in the mid 1990's. Now that I am in New Mexico going Wheeling in Ouray sounds like a real possibility. Also what trails are done on the FSJ Ouray invasions? Mark Wallace 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:22:32 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question Flint and Krista still post up on the COfsj list as well as the ouray invasion list. I'm hoping to make another trek to there but will probably have grandkids in tow (had my teen age sons last time) > To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:32:28 -0400 > From: wallacem7-at-aol.com > > Terry - Those right hand drive full size jeeps are very cool. Is the shifter > on the floor factory? > > The background is a guy came by the house asking if I would sell my Wag for > parts. The short answer was no, but I got to talking with him. he had a two > door Cherokee that was pieced together out of a frame from one Cherokee, a > body from another, a shackle lift of unknown origin, a gutted dash...best > described as a work in progress. He had been quoted anywhere from $300 to > $1800 US to rebuld his transfer case which had a heavy clunking under > acceleration. It has much the same sound as a New Process T-Case does when the > chain has streched. I have built a couple of New Process T-Cases so I'm not > really afread of taking anything apart. I have never had a BW T-case, but I > had recalled that they had a knob in the glove box (which was totally missing > from this jeep) and that it wasn't a straight through case. So my question is > how hard is it to rebuild a BW Quadra Trac T-case? Had anybody done it and are > there any things to be specially careful of? > > Another question is does anybody on this list go to the yearly Ouray invasions > that are on Jubileejeeps.com? I seem to recall Flint and Krista Boardman from > the Full Size Jeep list in the mid 1990's. Now that I am in New Mexico going > Wheeling in Ouray sounds like a real possibility. Also what trails are done on > the FSJ Ouray invasions? > > Mark Wallace > 81 Wag _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft^Rs powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:33:02 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring Small red wire goes to battery (along with the big red but not together until close to the bat or voltage drop occurs). Other wire (sometimes white, sometimes blue) goes to switched power with a 10 ohm resistor in line (I use a 194 light bulb in home wired applications, but they glow without a resistor in the line) The other option is a 1 wire GM alt and run a lead straight to the battery + from it. The ammeter is a source of wiring problems (& fires) when corroded so I replace them with voltmeters. > To: fsj-at-digest.net > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:23:49 -0500 > > Hi, this should be quick for those of you who've done this 20 times. > > The alternator has the basic two wire space connector, the big > battery terminal and wire, and one more red wire that leads to the > ignition switch, maybe to run the accessories? > > Should this last smaller wire connect also to the big battery > terminal on the alternator, or there is a smaller stud, not > insulated, for this one? I don't want to fry the alternator or start > a Jeep b q. > > Thanks, Landon _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:56:26 -0500 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring Thanks, all. So from the diagram, I see that the violet is for the oil sender, (PO replaced with mechanical) so that doesn't work the solenoid. Running a jumper cable from the battery terminal to the starter side of the solenoid on the firewall turns the engine nicely (good job on that flywheel ring) I've got the light blue that goes to the solenoid, and that gets 12 volts at start...Will put that on the starter side. I don't know what to run to the small post near the battery terminal on the solenoid. From the shop manual (thanks, John) it looks like it should tie into the + side of the coil, with the red/tr wire. Sending 12V to that terminal does not click the solenoid. Any suggestions? Thanks. - - Landon /////// On Mar 14, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Jim Blair wrote: > Small red wire goes to battery (along with the big red but not > together until > close to the bat or voltage drop occurs). Other wire (sometimes white, > sometimes blue) goes to switched power with a 10 ohm resistor in > line (I use a > 194 light bulb in home wired applications, but they glow without a > resistor in > the line) > The other option is a 1 wire GM alt and run a lead straight to > the battery > + from it. The ammeter is a source of wiring problems (& fires) > when corroded > so I replace them with voltmeters. > >> To: fsj-at-digest.net >> From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net >> Subject: fsj: 79 J10 Alternator wiring >> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:23:49 -0500 >> >> Hi, this should be quick for those of you who've done this 20 times. >> >> The alternator has the basic two wire space connector, the big >> battery terminal and wire, and one more red wire that leads to the >> ignition switch, maybe to run the accessories? >> >> Should this last smaller wire connect also to the big battery >> terminal on the alternator, or there is a smaller stud, not >> insulated, for this one? I don't want to fry the alternator or start >> a Jeep b q. >> >> Thanks, Landon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more > from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy? > ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL > :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Fwd: Re: Restatement of Quadra Trac Question and Ouray Question (fwd) remember, the fsj list is setup so we can see and reply directly to the sender, so you need to reply all... the xj list only goes to the list... same list mom, different setup... :) not sure why they are different, but it works... john - -------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:26:31 -0800 To: wallacem7-at-aol.com From: Terry Halmshaw Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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