From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 23 00:14:37 2010 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 23 2010 Volume 01 : Number 3568 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: 2011 GChero and citroen and the french fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? Re: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? RE: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? RE: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? fsj: found it... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: 2011 GChero and citroen and the french not yet it hasn't, we at least spotted the UNION labor issues before it fell apart... ;) interesting that the union is involved at many levels on this deal too... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Jim Blair wrote: # # It happens here too # http://www.komonews.com/news/local/90554479.html # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:15:35 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > CC: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: 2011 GChero and citroen and the french # > # > I thought that part of the building process was for a civil engineer to certifiy # > the architectual designs... many architects here in the states are, or employ, # > PE / ME or CE types... and then the folks that approve the plans must make # > sure that the materials used and design will work... if they don't know, here, # > they have a professional engineer (PE) verify the loads and design... then they'll # > mark up the prints and send them off to the contractor... I went through this # > when I built a house... we had some long spans, high ceilings, designed for # > a slate roof... had to beef up the foundation, walls, etc. to meet the weight # > loads and also seismic activity... # > # > ...so, in the case of the airport, the architects should have had a good design # > to start out with, the permit process should have verified it... the contractor # > builds to the approved drawings... the only way they would be liable is if they # > used improper materials, built to incorrect dimensions or did less than the design... # > # > so the guilty in that case are both the architect and the approving government agency # > and inspectors... the contractor was likely Sgt. Schultz... ;) he knew nothing, # > and wasn't supposed to... his job was to build to the prints... the approved prints... # > # > ...the weasels... the fault ultimately lies with the architects, who should have # > employed qualified engineers, but the final responsibility lies with the state, # > for not verfiying that the structure was built to code. # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # # > # Indeed, terminal 2E roof collapsed, in that case, I had to research it, but it is in french, and the legalese is a piece of passing the buck. # > # # > # The architect did the design, the structures and the concrete, and the support, but they claim that it was the responsability of the contractor to make sure that the material used could bear w the design. In this case the concrete started to crack due to the heat/cold cycle, some support beam did not have enough reinforcement, and apparently the concrete cracked enough to help the beam collapse, there was not enough redondancy. It is not the job of the architect to do resistance calculations, but the engineers, which the architects are not. # > # # > # Michel # > # # > # > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:58:47 -0700 # > # > From: john # > # # > # > I hope that engineering design practice didn't follow through to their # > # > aerospace and building industries... oh, wait, didn't the airport # > # > in paris fall down? # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # > # > # > On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Michel Balea wrote: # > # > # > # > # The worst part of the hydraulic is "one pump" for all hydraulic system, the # > # > # pump goes, so do the brakes, the steering the suspension and now you have a # > # > # real lowrider. # > # > # # > # > # The neat part about the suspension was the tire replacement position, it # > # > # elevated the car so high that you could do without a jack, but I think you had # > # > # to pop the rear fender to remove the rear wheel. I never borrowed one for that # > # > # long, but it was good for driving thru the fields, yep off roading in a # > # > # citroen and yes it was front wheel drive since 1955, the successor of the # > # > # traction avant a true adventure, the first front wheel drive car designed in # > # > # 1936ish. # > # > # # > # > # International engagement in the car industry is quite an adventure, designing # > # > # bearings with the british, at some point the OD was standard and the ID # > # > # metric.... until the brits went metric, but they have not adopted the euro # > # > # yet. # > # > # # > # > # Cheers # > # > # # > # > # Michel # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # From: carnuck-at-hotmail.com # > # > # To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > # Subject: RE: fsj: 2011 GChero # > # > # Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:48:08 -0700 # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # I had a Citroen with that combined suspension and drive system that was # > # > # hydraulic. When it popped a leak, all that Ca$trol fluid leaked out and it # > # > # co$t about $250 to replace (now it's more) Some people substituted ATF but the # > # > # seals would blow out. # > # > # # > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com # > # > # > To: dan-at-black.org; fsj-at-digest.net # > # > # > Subject: RE: fsj: 2011 GChero # > # > # > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:32:10 +0000 # > # > # > # > # > # > They should have asked the french to design it, Citroen has it on their top # > # > # of # > # > # > the line vehicles since.... 1960 or so on the DS which was a gasser # > # > # > # > # > # > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeVnnCdjv8&NR=1 # > # > # > # > # > # > youtube is full of various demos # > # > # > # > # > # > and the CX with the 2.5 Diesel turbo for John # > # > # > # > # > # > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8HxK6ypjgw&feature=related # > # > # > # > # > # > Michel # > # > # > 74wag # > # > # > # > # > # > > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:45:56 -0500 # > # > # > > Subject: fsj: 2011 GChero # > # > # > > From: dan # > # > # > > Air suspension? # > # > # > > Sheesh, if you _really_ want to do something like that, do it right -- # > # > # > > maybe some hydraulic gimmick or something. But air shocks have never # > # > # > > been a good solution and likely never will be. # > # > # > # > # > # > _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your # > # > # inbox. # > # > # > # > # > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL # > # > # > :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 # > # > # # > # > # The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get # > # > # started. # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # > # Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. # > # > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL # > # > # :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 # > # > # # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. # > # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 # # _________________________________________________________________ # The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. # http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? ran across a Turbo Diesel Isuzu Trooper, 1982... thoughts? http://picasaweb.google.com/zoomsplatt/TrooperDiesel# about 200k, new turbo... think the guy wants around $4800 for it... 5 speed, a/c... the guy is interested in my VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup... not sure I'm all that excited, it has a 2.2L TD but weighs more... also, aren't these supposed to be kind of tippy too? Isuzu Diesels are a little more challenging to find parts for... the guy claims 28 mpg... believeable... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? what would be cool if I could get the Jackaroo emblems and one of those fancy bull bars. :) so the 2.2L TD is ok too? ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Terry Halmshaw wrote: # http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/1989_Holden_Jackaroo_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1989_Holden_Jackaroo_01.jpg&usg=__CidX0Db0RN6p1uY-VOGQWUaSmKU=&h=376&w=621&sz=122&hl=en&start=15&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=PD5RMkXER3NuqM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dholden%2Bjackaroo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Ds%26tbs%3Disch:1 # # # # # # At 02:34 PM 4/21/2010, you wrote: # >ran across a Turbo Diesel Isuzu Trooper, 1982... # > # >thoughts? # > # > http://picasaweb.google.com/zoomsplatt/TrooperDiesel# # > # >about 200k, new turbo... think the guy wants around $4800 for it... 5 speed, # >a/c... # > # >the guy is interested in my VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup... not sure I'm all # >that excited, it has a 2.2L TD but weighs more... also, aren't these # >supposed # >to be kind of tippy too? Isuzu Diesels are a little more challenging to # >find # >parts for... the guy claims 28 mpg... believeable... # > # > # >john # > # > # > # > ----- # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 05:54:23 +0000 From: Michel Balea Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? 2.2L, how many ponys and torque, probably anemic due to the shape of a brick. 2 doors, a bit of a headache for access sometimes. How many troopers in the junkyard, not too many. Parts are probably dealer only and discontinued for a time by now? Ask your local parts store if they have a starter, alternator, water pump..... M > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:25:05 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? > > what would be cool if I could get the Jackaroo emblems and one > of those fancy bull bars. :) > > so the 2.2L TD is ok too? > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Terry Halmshaw wrote: > > # http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped ia/commons/d/dc/1989_Holden_Jackaroo_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedi a.org/wiki/File:1989_Holden_Jackaroo_01.jpg&usg=__CidX0Db0RN6p1uY-VOGQWUaSmKU =&h=376&w=621&sz=122&hl=en&start=15&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=PD5RMkXER3NuqM:&tbnh=82 &tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dholden%2Bjackaroo%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dof f%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel% 3Ds%26tbs%3Disch:1 > # > # > # > # > # > # At 02:34 PM 4/21/2010, you wrote: > # >ran across a Turbo Diesel Isuzu Trooper, 1982... > # > > # >thoughts? > # > > # > http://picasaweb.google.com/zoomsplatt/TrooperDiesel# > # > > # >about 200k, new turbo... think the guy wants around $4800 for it... 5 speed, > # >a/c... > # > > # >the guy is interested in my VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup... not sure I'm all > # >that excited, it has a 2.2L TD but weighs more... also, aren't these > # >supposed > # >to be kind of tippy too? Isuzu Diesels are a little more challenging to > # >find > # >parts for... the guy claims 28 mpg... believeable... > # > > # > > # >john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # >http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > # >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:18:02 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? Same motor as the P'ups so parts are available. Haven't had one with diesel, but I did have a gas Chevy Luv and Isuzu P'up which was pretty reliable. http://www.google.com/search?q=isuzu+pup+diesel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=or g.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:34:21 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: thoughts on a Turbo D trooper? > > ran across a Turbo Diesel Isuzu Trooper, 1982... > > thoughts? > > http://picasaweb.google.com/zoomsplatt/TrooperDiesel# > > about 200k, new turbo... think the guy wants around $4800 for it... 5 speed, a/c... > > the guy is interested in my VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup... not sure I'm all > that excited, it has a 2.2L TD but weighs more... also, aren't these supposed > to be kind of tippy too? Isuzu Diesels are a little more challenging to find > parts for... the guy claims 28 mpg... believeable... > > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: found it... the book was written in 1970, read it shortly after it came out, http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/124924.Wheels# All the human emotion. High stakes adventure and hidden secrets of America's #1 industry... brought to life from the superb novel by America's #1 storyteller. Once again, Arthur Hailey captures a world between the covers of a book... Wheels roars through the authentic action and intrigue of America's richest business - automobiles. Wheels ignites with the passions of men and women caught up in the world's fiercest power game. Wheels - by the author of Hotel and Airport. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3568 **************************