From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 1 12:15:17 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 1 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3696 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Freeze plugs and front clip. RE: fsj: Freeze plugs and front clip. fsj: popcorn alert: possible fleet change fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: new engine design OPOC Diesel fsj: RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel fsj: RE: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:30:28 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Freeze plugs and front clip. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 We played that game a bit in my younger days too! Did the usual stupid kid tricks. "Beaker! I wonder what temp gasoline boils at? Let's find out!" "Mi mi mi meep mi meep!" "What do you mean that doesn't sound safe? The woodstove is closed so nothing can happen!" We nearly burned down the house with that (melted my Mom's favorite kitchen curtains and my Cowboy boots were messed up so bad it hurt to walk in them, but not as much as it would've hurt if my Dad found out!) We moved the fun outside as my younger brother got his first field car (I got one too, but it was taken away because I tried to cross the Serpentine river with it and almost got the tractor stuck getting it out. How many here ever had a '61 Vauxhall Victor? 8^) He cruised around the field till he lost the gas tank. We then turned to getting gas from the tank and making flame throwers with plastic bottles (and having a flame thrower war to boot) until someone got the bright idea to light the fuel tank and make a HUUUGE flame thrower! We'd jump on the tank and have flames coming out 10 to 20 feet out the end. Next day we came back out and I stood on the tank to light it again (unknown to me, the tank had nothing but vapors left) and the next thing I knew I was about 30 feet away from what was left of the tank (If I could ever travel back in time, I'd record that nearly Darwinian moment) We cooled our jets after that and only had one junior firebug moment (tree my brother fell out of and broke his arm "burned down" with a bit of accelerant) - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 09:24:07 -0800 > Subject: Re: fsj: Freeze plugs and front clip. > From: michelbalea-at-gmail.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > CC: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; wallacem7-at-aol.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Gas vapor are pretty much flammable.... and yes we had a 50/50 chance of > fire when we poured gas down the carb throat, we started a small fire.... > this is where the baseball cap or the leather glove is handy. > > We discovered it as teens when we decided to speed up a camp fire.... pour > some gas on the smoldering fire.... from a 5 gallon can.... and I will > remember when we say no.... but our friend did not hear us.... the flame > went up the gasoline pour and our friend was fast enough to throw the whole > can in the river.... and all our spare gas ignited on the river.... > > Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:35:34 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Freeze plugs and front clip. That happened over in Bellevue at the gas station next to the NAPA I worked at. (where they went running, while on fire, to get it put out with the water bucket AT THE PUMPS!) http://bellevue.patch.com/articles/open-bucket-of-gas-contributed-to-bellevue - -van-explosion did you see that thing in the news where some folks did something like this in a van and ended up in intensive care because of burns... didn't get all the details, but the news showed the smoldering ruins of the van... guess something was wrong with the fuel pump so they were pouring gas down the carb manually to get around... not quite the same, but all the more reason why I don't like carbs, or gasoline... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:20:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: popcorn alert: possible fleet change popcorn ready? ...found an '87 190D with a 2.5L Diesel (not a turbo), going to test drive it tomorrow... it may replace the Jetta TDI... we'll see... it's old and not as refined as the Jetta, but it is the same color as my '91 300D and an automatic, and will get 32-35 in town, while the Jetta is a stick and gets mid-upper 30's and sometimes 40 in town... for six mpg I'll take the automatic and no timing belt. :) my '91 300d gets 30 in town, the '87 190D is listed as getting 2mpg more when comparing all data. So I'm figuring 32 mpg on my commute. the '03 Jetta has averaged 35 mpg since I've had it, and about 38 over the last three tanks, ergo, 6 mpg difference... and the liability of a rubber band and an electronically controlled engine that doesn't care for BioDiesel... the Jetta has a LOT of nice features though... and it's relatively new... this will be a tough decision, or maybe not, tomorrow, we'll see. :) I also found another '86 190D that has issues with a good 2.5L Diesel... I may be able to sell my extra SD33T to buy it and then try to fit that into an XJ... but that's another batch of popcorn and a long way off... :) pictures: - ----------- 190D: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/87-190D/all.html JETTA: http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/2003-VW-Jetta-TDI/ALL.html 300D: http://johnmeister.com/DieselBenz/CARS/91-300d-2.5L/ALL.html WJ: http://wagoneers.com/WJ/99WJ-pix-MtBaker-Sep07/ J10 (before): http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/Best-of-SuperDawg/ dimensions: - ----------- LENGTH/WB vehicle WB - length - Width mpg ======================================================= Jetta Wagon - 2003 98.9 172.3 68.3 36-45 (1.9L TDI) 201 - 190D (1987) 104.9 175.0 66.1 32-38 (2.5L) 1999 WJ -Grand Cherokee 105.9 181.5 72.3 15-21 (4.7L V8) 124 - 300D (1991) 110.0 186.6 68.5 30-36 (2.5L TD) 1983 J10 Stepside (SJ) 118.8 194.0 78.9 20-24 (SD33T) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 07:15:02 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: new engine design OPOC Diesel http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run other fuels as well... current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, (and gas stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says the guy with no eyebrows... ;) DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was 26.2% efficient? Modern fuel injected gasoline engines have not achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the world runs on Diesel and idiotic and ignorant Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of using a more environment friendly Diesel fuel, which as any one who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns that it is biodegradeable... :) Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% efficient. The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are able to reach an efficiency of about 40% in the engine speed range of idle to about 1,800 rpm. Beyond this speed, efficiency begins to decline due to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why my TDI will get over 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 HOW IT ALL STARTED - --------------------- March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a baby boy and they named him Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 Imperial German Patent #67207 was issued for an internal combustion engine using compression ignition. On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced 13.1kw of power during a successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% efficient! This was a significant milestone in engine technology. During that time a steam engine was at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent #542,846 was issued on the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and potential Rudolf and his business enterprise was in serious financial straits and on September 29, 1913 while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself into the frigid waters. What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his invention became immensly popular and continues to be popular even today. ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel I can see one sitting in the middle of a frame longitutidnally (did I spell that right, meaning long-wise) with the crank output going to a transmission/differential splitting the power to both (live) axles... low center of gravity, nice balance of power, mass in the center and low... could nestle it nicely in the frame, low enough for a low floor yet high enough for off-road clearance and even set it all up on a pivot arm to drop down for maintenance and service... been thinking about a similar design for years... a true mid-engine 4x4 configuration. if only I had bill gates funding my research... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, dave wrote: # Interesting OPOC engine that even Bill Gates is investing in. # # It looks like a very long engine but I guess I would have to see it in # person. # # # # later, # # dave AKA vwdoc1 # # # # _____ # # From: WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com [mailto:WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com] On Behalf # Of john # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM # To: undisclosed-recipients: # Subject: [WJ-Grand] new engine design OPOC Diesel # # # # # # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder # # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run other fuels as well... # # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, # (and gas stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says the guy with no # eyebrows... ;) # # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was 26.2% efficient? Modern # fuel injected gasoline engines # have not achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the world runs on Diesel # and idiotic and ignorant # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of using a more # environment friendly Diesel fuel, which # as any one who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns that it is # biodegradeable... :) # # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% efficient. # # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are able to reach an # efficiency of about 40% # in the engine speed range of idle to about 1,800 rpm. Beyond this speed, # efficiency begins to decline due # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why my TDI will get over # 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency # # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 # # HOW IT ALL STARTED # --------------------- # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a baby boy and they named # him # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 Imperial German Patent # #67207 # was issued for an internal combustion engine using compression ignition. # # On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced 13.1kw of power during # a # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% efficient! This was a # significant milestone in engine technology. During that time a steam engine # was # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent #542,846 was issued # on # the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and potential Rudolf and his # business enterprise was in serious financial straits and on September 29, # 1913 # while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself into the frigid # waters. # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his invention became # immensly popular and continues to be popular even today. # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ---------------------------------------------------------- # # # # _____ # # size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#aca899" align=center> # # No virus found in this message. # Checked by AVG - www.avg.com # Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3416 - Release Date: 02/01/11 # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel I don't recall anyone saying it was a new idea, just a new design... I didn't pay attention enough to the interview to note if they mentioned anything about where it came from. thanx for the links... it's interesting to note that they were still working on issues related to lubrication and cooling... your note about the sub use may be related to the question the interviewer asked about whether this would be ancillary power or primary... good catch. makes me curious about the boxer Diesels used in Subaru's. only two more hours before I give a 2.5L I-5 a test run... :) keep the popcorn fresh. still amazed that Rudolf's original engine was that efficient, and it was run on veggie oil too... :) 26.2%... amazing design... love my Diesels. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Potter, Tom E wrote: # The opposed piston engine is not new. Fairbanks-Morse produced one in the 1930s, which is still in production. The Navy used it in submarines and other craft. I heard it was used as a generator on some of the nuclear ships. # # http://www.fairbanksmorse.com/engine_opposed_piston_model_38.php # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposed-piston_engine # # Thomas E. Potter # # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john # Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:28 PM # Subject: [db] new engine design OPOC Diesel # # http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/Opposed-Piston-Opposed-Cylinder # # over 40% efficiency with Diesel. can be made to run other fuels as well... # # current gasoline engines are at best around 18-20%, # (and gas stinks, and is very, very dangerous, so says the guy with no eyebrows... ;) # # DID YOU REALIZE THAT Rudolf Diesel's PROTOTYPE was 26.2% efficient? Modern fuel injected gasoline engines # have not achieved this yet! This is why the rest of the world runs on Diesel and idiotic and ignorant # Americans pollute and waste with gasoline instead of using a more environment friendly Diesel fuel, which # as any one who lets a Diesel car sit too long learns that it is biodegradeable... :) # # # # Know that current Diesel engines are around 30-40% efficient. # # The most efficient type, direct injection Diesels, are able to reach an efficiency of about 40% # in the engine speed range of idle to about 1,800 rpm. Beyond this speed, efficiency begins to decline due # to air pumping losses within the engine. (so that's why my TDI will get over 40mpg in town if I keep the rpms down... :) # # # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency # # # # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel - March 18, 1858 # # HOW IT ALL STARTED # --------------------- # March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a baby boy and they named him # Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 Imperial German Patent #67207 # was issued for an internal combustion engine using compression ignition. # # On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced 13.1kw of power during a # successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% efficient! This was a # significant milestone in engine technology. During that time a steam engine was # at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent #542,846 was issued on # the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and potential Rudolf and his # business enterprise was in serious financial straits and on September 29, 1913 # while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself into the frigid waters. # What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his invention became # immensly popular and continues to be popular even today. # # # # ----- # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3696 **************************