From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 28 21:58:14 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, March 29 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3720 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: 83 J10 - 2.72 gears fsj: vacuum octopus fsj: heavy bits fsj: oxygenated fuels - the official doctrine fsj: no longer in designated areas for winterized fuel fsj: more J10 pictures - 300D to shop fsj: started counting... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:06:50 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 83 J10 - 2.72 gears Probably busted or disconnected charcoal vapor canister. The fuel smell is heightened by the "winterized" formulation. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=10653 80&fpart=2 http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/oxy2.html That is on top of the federally mandated MINIMUM 10% alcohol in our fuel (it's supposed to be 50 state enforced) but they can go as high as 20% (and many do. Arco being the worst here) Then there is Shell, who came up with MTBE in the first place. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:43:36 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; DZAshby-at-comcast.net > Subject: fsj: 83 J10 - 2.72 gears > > crawled underneath the J10, confirmed 2.72 gears... explains why it did so > well on the freeway and is so slow off the line... just like Old Blue. :) > > also has larger tires, 265-75-16's??? on six lug... need to verify if they are 75 or 65 series > and figure OD. Stock should be 225/75r-15 > > I need to do something about the smell of gas around it though... it's triggering an allergy attack... > I don't do well with gasoline... > > the fuel gauge sort of works, and so does the radio... sort of works... as do the tail lights... sort of > wrok... :) sounds like this thing needs some grounding. ;) > > so, I'm looking for a J10 rear bumper, a nicer grille, square headlight buckets, a glove box inside, delay wipers, > a steering stabilizer and my gas mask.. :) actually have some of the parts... > > it looks great, drives just fine and will serve me well until superdawg is done. > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:31:23 -0400 From: Mark Wallace Subject: fsj: vacuum octopus Ahh the 1970;s vacuum harness. Or as I call it the octopus. Having worked on automotive engineering on very heavily regulated parts (crash safety) I have dealt extensively with government regulations. While regulations really have made cars cleaner and safer, which really does improve quality of life regulations are never really altered, they are only really added to. With safety the original idea per Ralph Nader was that airbags would obsolete seat belts. To this day there are unbelted crash tests that add weight and cost to cars while requiring a compromise with belted crash performance. Also the basic 1950's style lap belt really is the foundation for a functional restraint system. The Europeans only do belted tests so they save that cost and weight. The assumptions in some of the safety regs are really assembled around a 1965 car, 1965 assembly methods and 1965 materials. I can only assume that early emissions regs talked to carburetors and if you would have said the phrase "closed loop fuel injection" to a regulator in the mid 1970's he would have heard something along the lines of "Little green men from outer space can fix this" The American automobile industry really didn't modernize in the 1970s which contributed heavily to the problems they face even today. While the Japanese were busy figuring out how to mass produce four valve engines and small economical cars that people wanted to buy Detroit was putting vacuum harnesses on low compression spark ignition V8s that had been around since Eisenhower was president and hoping things would get better. Europe at that time was building reliable economical diesels. The 70s were sort of the dark ages for American cars. The British cars fared worse. With the American market being key for the sport cars Triumph was running a re-bodied architecture from the 1950s (A TR-2 and TR-6 share a frame architecture) and the MGB was running an engine that dated to 1948 that had been choked down to one carburettor, low compression and built on an assembly line with no mechanized conveyor. For the same money you could get a nice modern 240Z from Japan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:49:12 -0400 From: Mark Wallace Subject: fsj: heavy bits Dealing with heavy bits while being injured. This is doable. I have had two injuries that significantly change my function. (two hernias and a nervous system injury) I try not to lift anything over 50 lbs and I really don't work overhead anymore. I don't let this stop me from working on cars. I have a friend who is a pretty hard core street rod guy. he's also had a heart transplant. So after i had my hernias repaired I asked him how he dealt with things like intake manifolds and cylinder heads and so on. He had hung a 12V scissor jack on his cherry picker to lift those heavy items. So not too long ago I had to open up a Ford 390 and that manifold is heavy. The snout on that car is also very long. So I just used the cherry picker to get the manifold on and off that 390. No scratching the fenders or having the gaskets slide out. I could stop the progress to sneak wires and transmission kickdown and so on up. I don't think I will ever pull an intake manifold out of a car without a cherry picker ever again. It was absurdly easy to get that boat anchor in and out. I actually have some scribbles for a gantry crane that i will build when I have too much money burning a hole in my pocket. life is too short not to play with cars and life is too short to be in too much pain. But solutions are out there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:39:27 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: oxygenated fuels - the official doctrine Jim, We have not had winterized fuel in this state for several years now... since I'm primarily a Diesel user I haven't paid attention... but they used to post notices on the pump. I do see a notice that varies from 5-10% ethanol is in use at the "discount" pumps like fred meyer, arco, safeway and so on, but ethanol does not foam, but does help collect moisture and so on... I don't know where you heard about oxygenated winter fuel, but the data is out of date, or the government isn't posting info on it... seems it was a big deal in 2005 and then went away, I think in part because of our mandatory burn bans for woodstoves when there was air stagnation here... which was a major blessing for those of us with allergies/respiratory issues. The requirements for oxygenated fuels were eliminated years ago... it's only in certain areas, a quick google of the fed's epa site revealed less than 10 cities. http://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/P1001YKP.TXT?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&Client=EPA&Index=2000+Thru+2005&Docs=&Query=420B05013%20or%20washington%20or%20state%20or%20winterized%20or%20fuel&Time=&EndTime=&SearchMethod=1&TocRestrict=n&Toc=&TocEntry=&QField=pubnumber^%22420B05013%22&QFieldYear=&QFieldMonth=&QFieldDay=&UseQField=pubnumber&IntQFieldOp=1&ExtQFieldOp=1&XmlQuery=&File=D%3A\zyfiles\Index%20Data\00thru05\Txt\00000017\P1001YKP.txt&User=ANONYMOUS&Password=anonymous&SortMethod=h|-&MaximumDocuments=10&FuzzyDegree=0&ImageQuality=r75g8/r75g8/x150y150g16/i425&Display=p|f&DefSeekPage=x&SearchBack=ZyActionL&Back=ZyActionS&BackDesc=Results%20page&MaximumPages=1&ZyEntry=1&SeekPage=x&ZyPURL Fuel quality may have diminished for other reasons... http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=173-492&full=true http://access.wa.gov/search/index.aspx?qs=Oxygenated%20fuel http://www.ecy.wa.gov/biblio/wac173492.html http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=173-492-070 173-492-070 Control areas and control periods. Beginning in 1992, the oxygenated gasoline requirements of this chapter shall apply to the following control area during the following control period: Control Period Control Area County Beginning Ending Spokane Spokane September 1 February 29 Upon approval by EPA, the control period for Spokane will be from October 1 to February 29. On 03/27/2011 09:06 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/oxy2.html > > That is on top of the federally mandated MINIMUM 10% alcohol in our > fuel (it's supposed to be 50 state enforced) but they can go as high > as 20% (and many do. Arco being the worst here) Then there is Shell, > who came up with MTBE in the first place. > > > > > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum > > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: no longer in designated areas for winterized fuel as I thought: * Control areas appearing in red have been redesignated in attainment (refer to Table 3) Areas Redesignated in Attainment An oxygenated gasoline program is no longer required once an area is redesignated in attainment of the CO NAAQS. To be redesignated in attainment, an area must have no more than one exceedance of the CO standard over at least two consecutive years. To provide for the possibility of future NAAQS violations, a maintenance plan must contain contingency measures to assure prompt correction of any air quality problems. A contigency measure for several redesignated areas is reinstatement of the oxygenated gasoline program for the following CO season if there is a violation of the CO standard. An area may also voluntarily continue the oxygenated gasoline programs as part of its maintenance plan (refer to Table 6). Seattle-Tacoma, WA 2,823 61 FR 53323 Oct. 11, 1996 So we've been off this list for over 15 years... as I thought. john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 27 Mar 2011, Jim Blair wrote: # # Probably busted or disconnected charcoal vapor canister. The fuel smell is heightened by the "winterized" formulation. # # http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1065380&fpart=2 # # http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/special/oxy2.html # # That is on top of the federally mandated MINIMUM 10% alcohol in our fuel (it's supposed to be 50 state enforced) but they can go as high as 20% (and many do. Arco being the worst here) Then there is Shell, who came up with MTBE in the first place. # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # # # > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:43:36 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > CC: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; DZAshby-at-comcast.net # > Subject: fsj: 83 J10 - 2.72 gears # > # > crawled underneath the J10, confirmed 2.72 gears... explains why it did so # > well on the freeway and is so slow off the line... just like Old Blue. :) # > # > also has larger tires, 265-75-16's??? on six lug... need to verify if they are 75 or 65 series # > and figure OD. Stock should be 225/75r-15 # > # > I need to do something about the smell of gas around it though... it's triggering an allergy attack... # > I don't do well with gasoline... # > # > the fuel gauge sort of works, and so does the radio... sort of works... as do the tail lights... sort of # > wrok... :) sounds like this thing needs some grounding. ;) # > # > so, I'm looking for a J10 rear bumper, a nicer grille, square headlight buckets, a glove box inside, delay wipers, # > a steering stabilizer and my gas mask.. :) actually have some of the parts... # > # > it looks great, drives just fine and will serve me well until superdawg is done. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum # > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: more J10 pictures - 300D to shop http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/2011-03-27-J10/ALL.html used the J10 to drag the '91 300D up to the Hilltop shop... moved the trailer to the top of the yard so the new owner can get it out of here... had to use 4wd to get it up the hill... :) his van isn't 4wd... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: started counting... just updated the vehicle history page to show jeeps only, kind of in celebration of FSJ #27... http://wagoneers.com/johns-Jeeps-history.html http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/1983-J10-white/2011-03-25-J10/JM7_5482e_2011-03-25.jpg john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para bellum http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3720 **************************