From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 11 13:25:43 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, August 11 1999 Volume 01 : Number 519 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: FOR SALE fsj: (no subject) fsj: auxillary tank fsj: oil fsj: Re: Price of used fuel tank Re: fsj: oil fsj: Castrol GTX (fwd) Re: fsj: oil woes (fwd) Re: fsj: Re: Selec-Trac fsj: selectrac Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 Re: fsj: projection, mpg? Re: fsj: selectrac Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 fsj: Re: Diesel for cherokee Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 fsj: Re: 327 starter fsj: FS: 360 heads fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's Re: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's Re: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's fsj: Castrol fsj: Synthetic Re: fsj: Synthetic Re: fsj: Castrol FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:49:18 -0400 From: Scottie Sharpe Subject: fsj: FOR SALE For Sale: NP 208 From an 81 Wagoneer. In great shape. Must sell. Best offer taken by Sept. 1, 1999. I am also parting out a bronze/bronze 83 wag 360/727. The interior is in good shape and there's lots of parts still avail. Cheap! I gotta sell this stuff to move to Cali. soon. All parts are in State College PA 16801 and can be shipped UPS or freight. Please email me directly. Scottie Sharpe '88 Wag, Jacobs, RS9000, Superlift, KILLER32 bumpers! Maker of BUMPERS and NERFS for Full Size Jeeps http://www.rosenvick.com/killer32 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:41:49 EDT From: GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: (no subject) john, no we haven't talk about. i actually live in blaine about a half hour north of bellingham but i work there. the jeep is off the state st. exit i'll get you a number if you want and take a right ( coming from the south) it's amediately to your right then. it's car lot row on this street ( iowa st.) if you go down to the next light take a right and you'll see where the gas line exploded drive by and keep going up hill till you get to the radio station about another 4 miles. Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com p.s. you can see my jeeps at www. offroadexchange.com/ and click on my wagon if you go to the renskers pics you'll see my neighbors j-20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:46:15 EDT From: GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: auxillary tank jerry, what kind of lift do you got front and rear. just curious mines 6" to soa Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:53:28 EDT From: GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: oil pennzoil bought out quakerstate personal knowledge they dropped us from there distribution. to many people they said. hadn't heard anything to do with castrol, but it'd be nice to know. if they keep this up we'll only be selling chevron and kendall Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:03:23 -0700 From: "Horn" Subject: fsj: Re: Price of used fuel tank You will have to ask Olympic 4x4 Supply the price of the used 19 gallon auxiliary fuel tank. Someplace under $150 I imagine. Jerry Horn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:13:02 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: oil I'm sticking with selling AMSOIL... been a dealer since 1983. Never had a problem with it. Again I apologize for trying to be "non-commercial" and open minded by recommending any dino oil... sheesh... I thought castrol was good stuff... I guess I'll just have to only recommend what I know is good, and that of course is AMSOIL. :) john At 09:53 PM 8/10/99 EDT, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com wrote: >pennzoil bought out quakerstate personal knowledge they dropped us from there >distribution. to many people they said. > hadn't heard anything to do with castrol, but it'd be nice to know. if >they keep this up we'll only be selling chevron and kendall > >Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:12:52 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Castrol GTX (fwd) john writes: >> My mechanic friend started recommending Kendall a few years back and I didn't make the connection. Please, if you're going to use dino oil, don't use Pennzoil or Castrol. << I hear Kendall recommended from time to time as well. In all the shear and viscosity break-down tests I've seen, Kendall has never done well. Usually right down at the bottom with Pennzoil. Now what are we going to use? I think I remember Quaker State doing okay?= Also, I haven't seen a test in quite awhile and I know there are a lot of= new formulations out there. We need someone to do a new test! -- Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 10-Aug-1999 = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:41:53 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: oil woes (fwd) At 10:12 PM 8/10/99 -0400, Michael Baxter wrote: >john writes: >>>> My mechanic friend started recommending Kendall a few years back and >I didn't make the connection. >>Please, if you're going to use dino oil, don't use Pennzoil or Castrol. ><< >>I hear Kendall recommended from time to time as well. In all the shear >and viscosity break-down tests I've seen, Kendall has never done well. >Usually right down at the bottom with Pennzoil. > >Now what are we going to use? I think I remember Quaker State doing okay? I had a bad experience with Quaker State with my Mustang... of course that was a lifetime ago. :) I've heard valvoline is supposed to be ok, but that engine I tore down that was all gunked up had used both Pennzoil and Valvoline, so I assume the worst there as well. Shell and Havoline are still supposed to be ok. Again, I can only recommend AMSOIL at this point. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:58:41 EDT From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Selec-Trac I have a buddy here at work that is looking for a Dana 44 for a J20. He lives here in Nor Cal. If anyone should know where one is at, please let me know. he has no lucl locating one. Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:48:56 EDT From: GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: selectrac depending on why you need one. you might have better luck finding a 44 from a wide track cherokee or j-10 and put your hub and rotors on or bye new ones. hub and rotor from a chevy will work too. Watch the gear ratio's though or it won't be worth it. Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:34:50 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 Nope... all I have is the stock Motorcraft two-lunger. It's in decent shape, but it only yielded 10 MPG. The Holley Pro-Jection has about paid for itself in better mileage by now :) Ray Drouillard On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:31:45 -0700 john writes: >do you have a 4v that'll fit the stock 77 manifold? >if so, how much, and is it in good tune? > >I need to get my 77 together so I can my J10. > >john > >At 11:12 PM 8/8/99 -0400, Raymond C Drouillard wrote: >>Drive it over here and I'll give you a grand in cash. In fact, you >can >>have BOTH carbs. I don't need no stinkin' carb. The first thing I >would >>do is to install another Holley Pro-Jection setup. That thing is >just >>too good. >> >>Ray >> >> >>On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:26:07 -0700 john >nospam)> writes: >>>1977 Jeep Wagoneer - 360V8-4v, TH400, Quadratrac, roof rack, dual >>>tanks, >>>cruise, tilt, a/c, alloy rims, rear tire carrier, factory hitch, new >>>windshield. >>>Sunshine Yellow, paint is fair, interior is fair, lots of extra >parts. >>> >>> >>>As is $1,000, or with new carb installed $1,500. >>> >>>I'm going for the California J10... :) >>> >>>Separately selling a brush guard. Also selling leather seats out of >an >>84 GW. >>>email off list for details (I think Whit wants the seats)... :) >> >>___________________________________________________________________ >>Get the Internet just the way you want it. >>Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >>Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >> >----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:43:16 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: projection, mpg? At 01:34 AM 8/11/99 -0400, Raymond C Drouillard wrote: >Nope... all I have is the stock Motorcraft two-lunger. It's in decent >shape, but it only yielded 10 MPG. The Holley Pro-Jection has about paid >for itself in better mileage by now :) >Ray Drouillard how much better mileage? I'm getting very serious about a J10, it has a 2v now, but that can be changed. :) Because it's an 80 I can install my 4.0L/AW4spd and NP xfr case... BUT, if the projection gets similar mileage I can sell of that hardware to pay for the conversion. .. so how good is it? john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: selectrac A: I have a model 20 rear and Dana 44 front (3.31 ratio for $350, or $200 and a 2.72 model 20 or dana 44 rear axle than doesn't howl!) from a NT '84 GW, but that's too narrow for the J trucks depending on why you need one. you might have better luck finding a 44 from a wide track cherokee or j-10 and put your hub and rotors on or bye new ones. hub and rotor from a chevy will work too. Watch the gear ratio's though or it won't be worth it. Dave, GuyJeepin-at-aol.com Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 A: John, If you have a usable 2 bbl carb, you can use a Mr G 2bbl 4 bbl adapter flipped to put a 2 bbl carb on to deliver it! Ray wrote: Nope... all I have is the stock Motorcraft two-lunger. It's in decent shape, but it only yielded 10 MPG. The Holley Pro-Jection has about paid for itself in better mileage by now :) Ray Drouillard On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:31:45 -0700 john writes: do you have a 4v that'll fit the stock 77 manifold? if so, how much, and is it in good tune? I need to get my 77 together so I can my J10. john At 11:12 PM 8/8/99 -0400, Raymond C Drouillard wrote: Drive it over here and I'll give you a grand in cash. In fact, you can have BOTH carbs. I don't need no stinkin' carb. The first thing I would do is to install another Holley Pro-Jection setup. That thing is just too good. Ray On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:26:07 -0700 john writes: 1977 Jeep Wagoneer - 360V8-4v, TH400, Quadratrac, roof rack, dual tanks, cruise, tilt, a/c, alloy rims, rear tire carrier, factory hitch, new windshield. Sunshine Yellow, paint is fair, interior is fair, lots of extra parts. As is $1,000, or with new carb installed $1,500. I'm going for the California J10... :) Separately selling a brush guard. Also selling leather seats out of an 84 GW. email off list for details (I think Whit wants the seats)... :) Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee 4 dr 4.2L six, 999 AT, Manual hubs Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html FREE Online Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 99 08:32:42 -0400 From: Nicholas & Susan McIntosh Subject: fsj: Re: Diesel for cherokee i forgot to mention... please send replies directly to Henttula Petri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:43:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: FS: 77 Wagoneer - as is $1,000 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, James Blair wrote: >--> A: John, If you have a usable 2 bbl carb, you can use a Mr G 2bbl 4 >-->bbl adapter >-->flipped to put a 2 bbl carb on to deliver it! I do have a 2V!!! I forgot! john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 327 starter On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 Kent_Grigg-at-mail.jbhunt.com wrote: >-->I am trying to find a new/rebuilt starter for a 1967 Jeep j-series with the 327 >-->engine, but I am not having any luck. Do you have any suggestions? Olympic 4x4 in Snohomish, or any NAPA should be able to find it. 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Only later did I learn of the change in rocker style--these heads use the earlier adjustable type that use studs in the head. My previous heads used the fixed fulcrum style. Not wanting to buy all new rockers, I found another set of heads at a local wrecking yard. If anyone wants them, they are $50 as is (exactly what I paid John) or, I can get them magged for cracks and the price goes up to something like $100, which is what I had to pay for the other ones, which the yard guaranteed were not cracked. I'm in Kingston WA, but get over to the Seattle area frequently on the weekend. Allan Weidenheimer 84 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:22:38 EDT From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's On Tue, 10 Aug, john wrote: > No FSJ for US consumption ever had a 4 cylinder. Wasn't the Diesel option a four-banger? ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ laid up in Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: >-->On Tue, 10 Aug, john wrote: >--> >-->> No FSJ for US consumption ever had a 4 cylinder. >--> >-->Wasn't the Diesel option a four-banger? FSJ Diesel? US? do tell me more. I know the export was at one time a Perkins, 4cyl... but domestic in an FSJ? please share. :) john >--> >-->++ Cornel Ormsby ++ >-->laid up in Las Vegas what's up? or down? :) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:31:25 EDT From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's In a message dated 8/11/99 10:26:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, John wrote: > I know the export was at one time a Perkins, 4cyl... > but domestic in an FSJ? please share. I just remember seeing a listing of a diesel option for the Wagoneer; I don't remember exactly the manufacturer, but I know it wasn't Perkins. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ laid up in Las Vegas http://members.aol.com/OrigamiTB/WhRhino.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's could have been the xj wagoneer... 2.1L all aluminum Renault turbo diesel... 85bhp, 115ft torque, bosch pump, garret turbo... arrrarrr.... (had one, nice setup, expenive parts, stupid french stuff.... :( john On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: >-->In a message dated 8/11/99 10:26:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, John >--> wrote: >--> >-->> I know the export was at one time a Perkins, 4cyl... >-->> but domestic in an FSJ? please share. >--> >-->I just remember seeing a listing of a diesel option for the Wagoneer; >-->I don't remember exactly the manufacturer, but I know it wasn't Perkins. >--> >-->++ Cornel Ormsby ++ >-->laid up in Las Vegas >-->http://members.aol.com/OrigamiTB/WhRhino.html >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: book, catalogs and FSJ's I read that Jeep is possibly coming out with a Suburban sized rig... just a rumor in some high brow Auto rag I read at the Chiropractor's office. :) john On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: >-->In a message dated 8/11/99 10:46:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, John >--> wrote: >--> >-->>-->I just remember seeing a listing of a diesel option for the Wagoneer; >-->>-->I don't remember exactly the manufacturer, but I know it wasn't Perkins. >-->> >-->> could have been the xj wagoneer... 2.1L all aluminum Renault >--> >-->Ah, c'est vrai, mon ami! >--> >-->Neither my memory, nor Wagoneers, are what they used to be... >-->which brings to mind something I mentioned to my fiancee a few >-->days ago about Jeep being out-of-synch with the automotive market. >-->I parked my '73 next to an XJ Wagoneer and noticed how much >-->difference there is between the sizes of the two, and remarked that, >-->now that people want larger vehicles, Jeep is making small ones, >-->whereas back when they wanted smaller vehicles, Jeep was making >-->big ones. >--> >-->++ Cornel Ormsby ++ >--> "wider is better" >-->http://members.aol.com/OrigamiTB/WhRhino.html >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:47:59 -0700 From: "Allan Weidenheimer" Subject: fsj: Castrol I sent some of the recent Castrol info to someone that I know uses Castrol. He did some research, and it appears that Quaker State and Pennzoil merged recently, but Castrol was not involved. "It appears to be independent of Pennzoil. The parent British company is Burmah-Castrol PLC. Check out www.castrolusa.com, it links to the international sites." Allan Weidenheimer 84 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:58:27 -0400 From: John Esposito Subject: fsj: Synthetic I was recently told that once you use Synthetic you should never switch back to dino oil. It supposedly swells seals and other things. Is there a= ny validity to this? Did we discuss this a couple years ago? I think it started as one of those Amsoil battles. At that time I didn't pay much attention because I was leaking/blowing out oil faster than I could pour = it in. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Synthetic On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, John Esposito wrote: >-->I was recently told that once you use Synthetic you should never switch >-->back to dino oil. It supposedly swells seals and other things. Is there any >-->validity to this? Did we discuss this a couple years ago? I think it >-->started as one of those Amsoil battles. At that time I didn't pay much >-->attention because I was leaking/blowing out oil faster than I could pour it >-->in. >--> >-->Alfred J. Esposito >-->espos-at-compuserve.com >-->'89 Grand Wagoneer No, not true. AMSOIL is totally compatible with dino oil. I often switch back and forth. If I'm expecting to replace a part or don't have AMSOIL or don't have $ at the time I'll top off with dino oil. AMSOIL has seal swelling agents in it, but that wouldn't be a problem for switching back to dino oil. I had a problem with a turbo seal on my 85 xj and was using a quart every 300 miles. I decided to switch to AMSOIL because I was curious and because I'm a dealer. My oil consumption dropped to 1 quart in 700 miles! john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Castrol Interesting... but nonetheless my Audi buddy knows first hand, as does my mechanic, that regardless of ownership, Castrol has become oila nongrata... :) john On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Allan Weidenheimer wrote: >-->I sent some of the recent Castrol info to someone that I know uses Castrol. >-->He did some research, and it appears that Quaker State and Pennzoil >-->merged recently, but Castrol was not involved. >--> >-->"It appears to be independent of Pennzoil. The parent British >-->company is Burmah-Castrol PLC. Check out www.castrolusa.com, it links to >-->the international sites." >--> >-->Allan Weidenheimer >-->84 GW >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #519 *************************