From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Feb 24 21:51:09 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, February 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 747 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Anyone in Central Texas got a 727 core? fsj: 84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque Re: fsj: 84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque Re: fsj: Sterling engine fsj: more on the Sterling fsj: see... coffee cup power!!! Re: fsj: Sterling engine fsj: minor tweaks & gimme a choke Re: fsj: minor tweaks & gimme a choke fsj: Computer Survival 101 fsj: pix of NP231 fsj: an old file... RTI results from 1996 Re: fsj: an old file... RTI results from 1996 fsj: Tie rod end and grease questions - long FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Anyone in Central Texas got a 727 core? If you have one, peacekeeper-at-mail.utexas.edu is looking He needs the output shaft and sleeve (Jeff=A0Brouillette) wrote: I am in central texas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:44:20 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: 84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) writes: >> How about the Stirling engines? = << I seem to remember hearing about them, but I don't know anything. How do they work? Or better for you, where can I learn more? Thanks for the tip on the little tit on the wiring harness or intermittent wiper switch. Seems like I remember breaking one of those of= f so I could hook-up the timer pigtail to the switch. I'll have to see if I= can find the right switch now. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 23-Feb-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:57:18 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque The sterling engine is technically an external combustion engine... john At 01:44 AM 2/24/00 -0500, Michael Baxter wrote: >Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) writes: > >>> How about the Stirling engines? ><< > >I seem to remember hearing about them, but I don't know anything. How do >they work? Or better for you, where can I learn more? > >Thanks for the tip on the little tit on the wiring harness or >intermittent wiper switch. Seems like I remember breaking one of those off >so I could hook-up the timer pigtail to the switch. I'll have to see if I >can find the right switch now. > > > Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 23-Feb-2000 > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:08:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Sterling engine At 01:44 AM 2/24/00 -0500, Michael Baxter wrote: >Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) writes: >>>> How about the Stirling engines? ><< >I seem to remember hearing about them, but I don't know anything. How do >they work? Or better for you, where can I learn more? english marginal, pictures same, know what mean? http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~khirata/indexe.htm http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~khirata/english/howwork.htm P. S.: When the Stirling engine is understood, it is important that the knowledge of the characteristics of air (Thermodynamics), the crank mechanism and the flywheel (Mechanics and Mechanical Vibrations). I have tried to explain about them as simply as possible. Please contact me if you find incomprehensible contents or any errors, and have any your opinions. I hope that this description becomes more suitable for every young students. Permission is hereby granted, by author, to print and distribute this description. Thank you. Koichi Hirata (khirata-at-gem.bekkoame.ne.jp) btw, special thanx to dogpile for finding this page quickly...;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:11:41 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: more on the Sterling http://www.stirlingengine.com/ http://www.stirlingengine.com/how_do.htm I'm not sure, but when they show pictures of ballons, candles and little snowmen blowing on the cylinder, and then on another site talk about a coffee-cup engine... I'm not real optimistic this will be replacing our aging AMC motors anytime soon... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:14:39 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: see... coffee cup power!!! this will add many possibilities for moving our FSJs in the great Pacific North West, where the only thing that outnumbers our trees is half-watt liberals and espresso stands... ;) thankfully most of the liberals are in seattle, and the espresso stands are in the outlying areas... :) http://www.stirlingengine.com/coff_cup.htm - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:36:55 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: Re: fsj: Sterling engine Is it just me or did this resemble a steam engine without valves in the cylinder. And with it apparently being a closed system the only way to get it to move would be to heat it up (gives 1/2 cycle), then turn off the heat and wait for it to cool off (gives other 1/2 cycle). This would seem to take along time to get much kenetic energy. (waiting for the entire cylinder to heat up and then cool) But then again, if you do have a little snow man blowing on the cyclinder maybe it does work...... I didn't go through all of the info at this site, but they didn't happen to be looking for investors were they? A much more interesting "new" engine is one that was mentioned in a Popular Mechanics issue (? last year). The cylinders were arranged in a circle similar to the chambers of a pistol. The pistons then rode a circular fixed cam that actually caused the whole engine block to rotate. I know I don't explain it very well, so I'll look for the web address when I get a chance. Jamie "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is" Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:50:46 -0600 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: minor tweaks & gimme a choke Hi, the '89 Grand Wagoneer without a choke, okay, it has one, but it's very manual. I put a rubber coated flashlight on top of the choke flap to hold it down in the morning. Vrroom. I read a book that says there's a piston in a cylinder behind the choke cover, and there's a rod connected to the piston, and the piston pushes the rod that moves a cam that acts against a circular spring, and the spring heats up, and the choke flap opens. Well, there's no rod to push the piston. It's gone, toast, out of here, on-the road, history, caught a bus. Is this the right description of the choke mechanism ? Should I be looking for some other problem ? Like 12V to the choke. I like the idea of a manual choke cable anyway. I sprayed the carb with carb cleaner, and now the idle is correct (it was idling too high), and fixed the exhaust leak by tightening down the manifolds. What a driveability difference! Also noticed there are not one, but two vacuum motors to control flaps that duct the intake air stream, either from the heated exhaust manifold area, or the only other place is breathing from the engine breather. Air from the engine breather would be hot and have less oxygen content, resulting in a rich idle mixture, I'd think. Never seen that before. Next steps are: replace the transmission mount (had a trans leak fixed by PO, but mechanic said it was motor mounts, which are fine) and a steering stabilizer - any preference on brand ? - - Landon '89 GW 'Julie' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:07:02 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: minor tweaks & gimme a choke I'd keep the electric choke, just adjust it correctly. Make sure the little heat riser plumbing is intact and connected. Also, replace all your vacuum lines, ONE AT A TIME. :) I've typically used a Rancho 4000 shock for the stabilizer, any 4x4 shop will have their knowledgeable recommendation. john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:58:00 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Computer Survival 101 I'm passing along a URL with links to info on computer security, viruses, and hoaxes. http://wagoneers.com/pages/ComputerSurvival-101.html Check it out before you warn your friends... we know you care, just don't be fooled by a hoax... Get the URL from one of these sites and email the URL only... (also, include the http part, like: http://www.freegift.net/ part so it's "clickable") Fear not... ========================= thanx for your time, john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com HP-UX, Solaris, Linux http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ http://wagoneers.com/pages/ComputerSurvival-101.html http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/LINUX/year-of-the-penguin.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:39:26 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: pix of NP231 http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/NP231-backside.jpg etc. - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:45:02 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: an old file... RTI results from 1996 I was just going through some old files and found this info... Thought it interesting. It's from 1996!!!! Wow. The little wagoneer did 690. Old Blue did 673 on the Ramp Travel Index! I haven't tested Superdawg yet... ============================================================ initials vehicle wheelbase travel score date - ------------------------------------------------------------ TC 74 CJ-5 83.5 83.5 1000.0 5/11/96 SK 86 CJ-7 93 93 1000.0 5/11/96 RC 85 Bronco II 95 81 852.6 5/11/96 DL 66 CJ-5 79.5 64.5 811.3 4/27/96 MW 90 YJ 94 68 723.4 5/11/96 PW 80 Scout II 100 72.3 723.0 5/11/96 BG 78 CJ-5 83 60 722.9 4/27/96 SK 86 CJ-7 93 66.5 715.1 4/27/96 JM 81 Wagoneer 108.5 73 672.8 5/11/96 PJ 97 TJ 94 62.5 664.9 5/11/96 LH 78 CJ-7 93 61 655.9 4/27/96 RC 85 Bronco II 95 57.5 605.3 4/27/96 CJ 86 XJ 2dr 101.4 57 562.1 4/27/96 MW 90 YJ 94 51.5 547.9 4/27/96 DA 77 F-150 117 64 547.0 5/11/96 BE 95 XJ 4dr 101.4 54 532.5 5/11/96 D K-20 131.5 69.5 528.5 4/27/96 BH 92 YJ 94 48.5 516.0 4/27/96 CW 74 FJ-40 91 44.5 489.0 4/27/96 PW 80 Scout II 100 48 480.0 4/27/96 JW 89 YJ 94 44.8 476.6 5/11/96 JD 89 YJ 94 44.5 473.4 5/11/96 GC 80 Bronco 104 48.5 466.3 5/11/96 DV 95 F-150 140 60 428.6 4/27/96 FB 91 YJ 94 40 425.5 5/11/96 MC 88 Ranger 125.5 53 422.3 4/27/96 MO 92 Ranger 114 43 377.2 4/27/96 AT 92 Toy PU 121 41 338.8 4/27/96 TS 92 YJ 94 31.5 335.1 4/27/96 note: RTI=(dist traveled/wheelbase)*1000 ============================================================= - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:24:45 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: an old file... RTI results from 1996 At 07:48 PM 2/24/00 EST, BGotro-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/24/00 6:45:56 PM Central Standard Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > ><< I was just going through some old files and found this info... > Thought it interesting. It's from 1996!!!! Wow. > > The little wagoneer did 690. > Old Blue did 673 on the Ramp Travel Index! > > I haven't tested Superdawg yet... > >> >What degree ramp were you using? Old Blue was done on a 20 degree ramp. I'm not comletely sure, but the LW was also a 20, might have been a 23... I don't think so though... xj's don't ramp as well as sj's... typically. The LW has the OME lift, very supple... ;) john > >Phillip S. Losh >'79 Cherokee Chief > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:01:13 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Tie rod end and grease questions - long Today I made rolling cradle for the Dana 44 front axle that's slated to go under my Wag. I blasted almost all the crud off of it with the garden hose. The next order of business was to hit the zerks with a grease gun before anything rusted. As luck would have it, all 3 grease guns were empty. So now I'm cruising the friendly neighborhood Al's Auto Parts that's got nothing on the shelves cause Schucks bought them out. All they've got is a $10 tube of Prolong synthetic so I get it thinking it will be compatible with anything and maybe I'll learn something about synthetic grease. The empty racks of moly and lithium grease get me to thinking. I thought lithium (or was that moly?) grease was done away with years ago and the risk of mixing them was essentially gone. Can't remember now what the pro's and con's of each were supposed to be. I cleaned that mental file about 10 years ago. Now I'm home and trying to grease the last one - it's the short tie-rod end. Can't get the grease in so I unscrew the zerk and at the last second it goes shooting across the garage accompanied by a big wad of grease. Somehow the grease isn't able to push through the joint past the boot. Does this mean it's packed full of dirt or something? I never heard of old grease getting hard. The reason this matters is cause I was gonna see if the tie-rod and draglink ends were okay by comparing the tightness of them to the relatively new ones on the Dana 44 on my F-250. Obviously the short tie rod end is all bound up and gonna feel tight anyway, but I'm just wondering if I'm totally wasting my time here. I'm trying to save a little money if possible to keep SWMBO happy. The rest of my Wag is mechanically new (except the tranny) so I'm not too interested in using bad parts. Just don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #747 *************************