From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 24 14:48:04 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, March 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 788 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: FSJ safety net ready? fsj: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: the 90 GW in portland, or fsj: How do you make a long Jeeposine? fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: Eastern WA (desert) stuff for sale Re: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: Gettin' the Willys?s fsj: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:25 -0600 fsj: Rancho Special - Summit Racing Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: Willys album update Re: fsj: Re: Fun with Rez Re: fsj: Re: addressing Re: fsj: FSJ lists fsj: '77 WT/J-truck Axles fsj: a friend's ebay offering Re: fsj: a friend's ebay offering Re: fsj: a friend's ebay offering fsj: Fun with Rez Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos Re: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: FSJ safety net ready? On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Timothy Fisher wrote: >-->John, this is good news.I will not be online during the journada de muerto so any >-->contacts must be established ahead of time.God willing I won,t have any problems >-->anyway!! well... y'all better email Tim off line with some contact numbers then. :) I know a few guys scattered around, but it usually takes a while to get 'em all lined up before a trip. BTW, Richard created a list called road-trips or something like this for such adventures. Check on http://www.digest.net for that list. :) john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:43:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Stepsides and Honchos On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: >-->I wonder John, just how hard it would be to find another one like yours? >-->and in better shape,... grin... >-->I get so green when you rub it in,, hehheh >--> >-->R.J. well, superdawg isn't as nice mechanically as the Honcho... the motor isn't as good, the tranny isn't as good... The gearing isn't as good. :) We've got the same xfr cases. :) Same tire size... Your interior is cleaner... Both of our paint jobs stink. :) the only thing better is the fuel economy and the stepside. :) Hopefully the carb swap will help the economy and not hurt the performance too bad... For some reason the Honcho felt and looked much bigger. Same wheelbase, same tires now... The other thing that perplexes me is that the turning radius on the stepside is so much tighter... strange. I know of two other STepsides out there... one in vegas for $3,500 (engine problems) and one that was on Ebay in NJ... it was rough... later, john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: the 90 GW in portland, or http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=288525262 I emailed the owner, the reserve is around $6k. It sounds like a wonderful rig. There is someone down in Portland that will show anyone interested the rig. IF I weren't in the middle of a kitchen remodel and on the brink of getting my garage I'd get serious about it. Two things I like about it, it's color and it's sunroof. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:18:21 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: How do you make a long Jeeposine? I long Jeep in the Tim's pic, of the Cherokee/Wagoneer , intrigues me. What would you need to do exactly , to make one? and what drive shaft would you use? How would you extend everything? Need a bigger motor? Thanks! Curious.. R.J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: >-->Maybe longer rods in the front end? >--> >-->R.J. I think they limited the turning radius on the HOncho's because of the "bigger" tires. I'm running 31x10.5's and have no problems with rubbing... so otherwise I'm not sure why... I know the specs on the trucks point it out. Radius is more for the Honcho than a standard J10... john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:47:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos A: The Honcho front axle is wider (same as wide track cherokee) which is why the steering track is wider! On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: Maybe longer rods in the front end? R.J. I think they limited the turning radius on the HOncho's because of the "bigger" tires. I'm running 31x10.5's and have no problems with rubbing... so otherwise I'm not sure why... I know the specs on the trucks point it out. Radius is more for the Honcho than a standard J10... john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:23:03 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Eastern WA (desert) stuff for sale In today's Giant Nickel: '78 CJ 304 v-8; 2 AMC turbo 400 trannys; T-90 with Ford bell housing adaptor; T-18 transfer case(?); 1 good Quadro Trac transfer case. '68 JEEP Wagoneer, 4x4, straight body, runs good for parts, $400. JEEP LOVERS- 360, T-400, Dana 20, 44 rear, '73 Wagoneer, running when parked, $700. '86 JEEP Grand Wagoneer Limited, lots of options, as is $1500 or part trade. '85 JEEP Wagoneer 4x4, $1800 obo. I'll follow up on any of these if there is any interest. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:05:57 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing In a message dated 3/23/2000 9:27:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, poolcues-at-bellsouth.net writes: > I wonder John, just how hard it would be to find another one like yours? > and in better shape,... grin... > I get so green when you rub it in,, hehheh C'mon RJ, can't you twist that knife a little harder? John just thinks that J-truck is reliable. It's like a mule, waiting for the moment when you least expect it and then WHAM... right in the belt buckle. Now you know why cowboys wear big belt buckles - also doubles as a shovel. Hmmm... I haven't worn a gaudy belt buckle in a while. Time to go digging through my sock drawer. I've entirely lost track of what this has to do with FSJs. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 03:12:12 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos In a message dated 3/23/2000 9:47:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-virtual-cafe.com writes: > I know of two other STepsides out there... one in vegas for $3,500 (engine > problems) > and one that was on Ebay in NJ... it was rough... Just for the record RJ, I drooled all over myself when John decided to sell that Honcho. I've wanted one just that color ever since they were new. I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I liked all those decals but now it's become a nostalgia thing. There is a cherry, black stepside in Pasco with orange stripes and a cap on it. I'm pretty sure I remember that factory color scheme from when they were new. It sits across the street from the Jeep guru's shop and isn't for sale. I get the feeling it drives him crazy sometimes. It rarely gets driven. What a shame. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:21:04 -0700 From: Albert Metzel Subject: fsj: Gettin' the Willys?s A Willys for sale I mentioned a week or so ago to the OTHER list, just won't leave me alone ;-). I'm sure ya ALL know what I mean... When it comes to taking on a new project, I'm currently OVERloaded. But what kind of Jeep lover could pass on getting a classic Willys? With thanks to Landon, most likely it's a '47 Willys Delivery body on a '55 frame, spring over front with no motor/trans/case. It is showing her age and is pretty rough (finger pressure shows small rust holes in lower fender and shotgun side needs some metal straightening, but maybe that's reasonably good for her age ? Here's some pictures: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=42295&a281777 Could anyone give up some thoughts on possible good or bad points with a jeep of this type ? What to look for ? How much should it cost ? What might it be worth ? Any power plant ideas ? I think it's around 106" wheelbase. Sorry 'bout all the ?s TIA, Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:04:52 -0500 From: "TLynn" Subject: fsj: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:25 -0600 Just got into town from getting the old Jeep stuff from Des Moines and all I can say is .....WOW!! This 14ft truck is PACKED with original NOS(New Old Stock) from Jeep and Kaiser....and not just one of those and two of these but LOTS of stuff. It is going to take a few days to get it all catagorized and inventoried but it will be worth it. MANUALs....about 60 or 70 including parts books....just incredible...did I mention that I now own a 67' CJ?? My first KAISER. Tim Lynn "ToolMan-JeepBum" "It's a Jeep Thing" ICQ 21916084 75' J-10(in restoration-unnamed) 96' XJ(Skinny) 74' Wag(parts) 77' J-10(Bull-Dawg) 401/TH400, QT, 4" lift, MSD6T & billet dist., 32x11.5 AT's, tlynn-at-sheltonbbs.com

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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:28:36 -0600 From: Jay Olive Subject: fsj: Rancho Special - Summit Racing Summit is honoring the 4 for 3 special on Rancho shocks. You have to call though. Jay 89 GW sales-at-summitracing.com wrote: > Hello, Our sales staff is aware of the special now. People can call > our > sales line at 1-800-230-3030 OR 330-630-3030 to place the order. They > can't > order through e mail or the web site for the special. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:34:25 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos wait, isn't the axle on the J10 Honcho the same as the axle on my J10???? The only difference is the factory option for the larger tires, right? Although the Honcho does sit up higher too... john At 10:47 PM 3/23/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >A: The Honcho front axle is wider (same as wide track cherokee) which is >why the steering track is wider! > >On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: >Maybe longer rods in the front end? >R.J. >I think they limited the turning radius on the HOncho's because of the >"bigger" tires. I'm running 31x10.5's and have no problems with >rubbing... so otherwise I'm not sure why... I know the specs on the >trucks point it out. Radius is more for the Honcho than a standard >J10... >john > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:31:13 -0700 From: Albert Metzel Subject: fsj: Willys album update Last night, musta been too late for me ;-0 I still didn't have those Pics available, now try: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=42295&a=3059521 Thanks for your patience, Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Fun with Rez A: Buick big block is the same bore spacing. The guy doing the aluminum block AMC engines and heaads is Herman Lewis (I think it's http://www.hermanlewisracing.com) In a message dated 00-03-23 00:35:41 EST, Michael Baxter asked: the bore spacing of the 360 is 4.75", whereas the Mopar big-blocks have a bore spacing of 4.80". What's your source? Petersen's "Complete Book of Engines". I double-checked the Mopar bore spacing at: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/5772/brb.html I double-checked the AMC bore spacing at: www.froadin.com/eng_360_401.html there is a guy somewhere who takes bare aluminum B/RB head castings and machines them to fit the AMC block. That wouldn't work unless the bore centers are the same. I don't think it'll work. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ running the numbers in Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:06:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing A: Nice thing about Webtv is it's immune to viruses! Anything with a dot com or http:// is clickable with Webtv. At 12:41 AM 3/23/00 -0500, Ray Drouillard wrote: If I put www.wagoneers.com it's not hot clickable... and is not "fully resolved". It is hot clickable for me. That's probably because I have a smarter and more full-featured email reader :) yep, full featured as in fully virus capable. It'll automatically send nasties to 50 of your closest friends without you even knowing about it... I have yet to get a virus from the web. I wiped out a nice little macro virus at work that our marketing person got from a supplier. It was harmless, and only made it because she ignored the "This document has a macro - do you want to disable macros?" warning message. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ lists A: This is probably well covered by now, but http://www.amxfiles.com and several yahoo.com clubs are going, plus the strokers list (which is all 6 cylinder Jeepers in search of the biggest, baddest 6 cyl HO motor that money can be thrown at!) "Tim Osha" writes: Several people have mentioned other FSJ lists in their conversations. Could someone post where these other lists can be accessed. << There are 4 lists total now. Two of them are: http://home.off-road.com/~ifsja/list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/1FSJ I'm can't find the 4th one. But James is on all 4 of them. James...help? =A0=A0Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 22-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:54:55 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: fsj: '77 WT/J-truck Axles Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net writes: >Jamie, This data applies to '76-'79 (and probably all the way to the last J-Trucks in '88 but, the diff. offset up front swapped sides in '80) FSJs. The WT front axle will swap directly but, if your going from a 8 lug to a 6 lug, the track width will decrease 2 1/8". Or vice versa. The housing are the same out to the ball joints but, there is an extra 2 1/8" overall on the 8 lug versions. > What about when swapping with the 5 lug on my truck? >The WT's rear axle will not swap. The J-Trucks are right around 50" center to center on the spring pads while the WT is the same as all Cherokees and Wagoneers at around 43".> Would a little welding take care of this? >I think you have a '73 and with the two banner years for changes ('74 and '76) in between, your's could be different. I have all the frame measurements from '76 & up if you want to compare and I know the '76 up J-20 axles critical measurements?> What were the '77 J-10 measurements? (brake backing plate to brake backing plate) Thanks, Jamie Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. 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(he's getting a new one.) ok, ok, I know, I know... it is a F**D, but what can you say? :) He's a nice guy in spite of it... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 67 J3000 (SJ) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:08:39 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: Re: fsj: a friend's ebay offering Nice, but where am I supposed to haul all of my stuff? ;-) Later, Jamie "I've got a lot of stuff, just ask my wife...." Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:37:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: a friend's ebay offering At 01:08 PM 3/24/00 -0600, Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com wrote: >>Nice, but where am I supposed to haul all of my stuff? ;-) >>Later, >>Jamie "I've got a lot of stuff, just ask my wife...." Phillips >>'73 J4600 >'77 F250 Do like my neighbor does... she puts the top down and uses it just like a pickup truck... she's carried plywood, sheetrock, doors... lumber... (now she's working with my wife to haul home building materials on top of the little wagoneer... or she cons me into hooking up my utility trailer and hauling the really big stuff... will haul for teriyaki... ;) My mother used to use our 68 Mustang to haul gravel... she'd put baskets in the trunk, go to the gravel pit and fill them up... seriously... john - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- An article in the Seattle Washington Post-Intelligencer dealt with accidental deaths caused by physicians (based on research by Laura Key) Number of physicians in the US - 700,000 Accidental deaths caused /year - 120,000 Accidental deaths/physician = 0.171 based on readily available statistics found on the internet: Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths/year (all age groups) = 1,500 Accidental deaths/gun owner = 0.0000188 THEREFORE, one may derive the following: That Doctors are approximately 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:00:42 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Fun with Rez OrigamiTB-at-aol.com writes: >> I don't think it'll work. << There are AMC V-8s running heads from this guy. I'd love to see one in person. Maybe he is sectioning the heads 50 thousands three times somehow= . That would be tough since there aren't many band saws with a band less th= an .05" thick. I really don't think he's offset boring. That opens a big can= of worms in the piston to rod geometry. It'll remain a mystery until I ru= n across the guys contact info. Somewhere I have it...the problem is where :-). Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 24-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:10:51 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos So it's the same as the wide track Cherokee? I always thought wider is better... R.J. James Blair wrote: > A: The Honcho front axle is wider (same as wide track cherokee) which is > why the steering track is wider! > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: > Maybe longer rods in the front end? > R.J. > I think they limited the turning radius on the HOncho's because of the > "bigger" tires. I'm running 31x10.5's and have no problems with > rubbing... so otherwise I'm not sure why... I know the specs on the > trucks point it out. Radius is more for the Honcho than a standard > J10... > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:18:17 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing I always thought, western Belt Buckles, were a small dinner plate at parties, and the name is stamped on the belt in case they get too drunk, to remember their name? Hehehe.. R.J. Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2000 9:27:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, > poolcues-at-bellsouth.net writes: > > > I wonder John, just how hard it would be to find another one like yours? > > and in better shape,... grin... > > I get so green when you rub it in,, hehheh > > C'mon RJ, can't you twist that knife a little harder? John just thinks > that J-truck is reliable. It's like a mule, waiting for the moment when you > least expect it and then WHAM... right in the belt buckle. Now you know why > cowboys wear big belt buckles - also doubles as a shovel. Hmmm... I > haven't worn a gaudy belt buckle in a while. Time to go digging through my > sock drawer. I've entirely lost track of what this has to do with FSJs. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:22:01 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos I am going to paint it one of these days.. do you think small metallic "candy apple red", with heavy coats of clear lacquer, is good, with those decals or with out? R.J. Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2000 9:47:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, > john-at-virtual-cafe.com writes: > > > I know of two other STepsides out there... one in vegas for $3,500 (engine > > problems) > > and one that was on Ebay in NJ... it was rough... > > Just for the record RJ, I drooled all over myself when John decided to sell > that Honcho. I've wanted one just that color ever since they were new. I'm > a little embarrassed to admit that I liked all those decals but now it's > become a nostalgia thing. > > There is a cherry, black stepside in Pasco with orange stripes and a cap on > it. I'm pretty sure I remember that factory color scheme from when they were > new. It sits across the street from the Jeep guru's shop and isn't for sale. > I get the feeling it drives him crazy sometimes. It rarely gets driven. > What a shame. > > Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:29:58 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Stepsides and Honchos At 02:22 PM 3/24/00 -0600, R.J. Baynum wrote: >I am going to paint it one of these days.. do you think small metallic "candy apple >red", with heavy coats of clear lacquer, is good, with those decals or with out? >>R.J. that would be cool looking... with the decals of course. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #788 *************************