From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 7 09:46:52 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 807 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: KISS fsj: Re: Latin help... fsj: The "We Hate Off-Highway Vehicles" Conference. fsj: fsj sticker fsj: NP questions fsj: Re: reliability vs. list fsj: Time to get to work! Re: fsj: Time to get to work! Re: fsj: NP questions Re: fsj: NP questions Re: fsj: NP questions fsj: a "we hate" off-roaders conference Re: fsj: NP questions fsj: I lost the address fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale Re: fsj: NP questions Re: fsj: NP questions Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale fsj: FWD: 4.0 belt shredder Re: fsj: FWD: 4.0 belt shredder FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:41:44 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: KISS >Before dismantling the fuel pump first determine if there is fuel in the tank. A: LOL! Or before dropping the tank, make sure it's empty, not full! A friend of mine bought a new distributor, cap, coil, etc. before recognizing that the clear glass fuel filter was empty on his Blazer. - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:04:10 EDT From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Latin help... In a message dated 4/6/00 12:07:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, john wrote: > I'd like to create a couple of sayings in Latin like this: > > I came, I saw, I ate That would be: "Veni, vidi, edi". > and > > I came, I saw, I wheeled. That might be: "Veni, vidi, volutari", but I'm not sure. It's been a looong time since I took my four years of Latin and French in high school. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ not far from Caesar's Palace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 08:36:19 -0700 From: Thunderbird Subject: fsj: The "We Hate Off-Highway Vehicles" Conference. 4-Land-at-egroups.com wrote: > > 4WDriver.com > for the off-road vehicle enthusiast > http://www.4wdriver.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I Just received a "confidential" fax via the Forest Service about a conference that proposes to END off-road use as we know it. The WILDLANDS CENTER FOR PREVENTING ROADS, AMERICAN LANDS, FRIENDS OF THE EARTH, THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY, BLUEWATER NETWORK, AND THE NATIONAL PARKS CONSERVATION ASSOCIATION are presenting a program to invited Forest Service and BLM upper level managers called: PROTECTING AMERICA'S ACCESS: THE GROWING THREAT OF OFF-ROAD VEHICLES TO PUBLIC LANDS AND WATERS. This National Conference is scheduled for April 7 through April 11 in Washington DC. They quote the White House Council on Environmental Quality as stating "ORVs have damaged every kind of ecosystem found in the United States ." and use that quote as proof of the need to eliminate OHV use. Speakers include: Gawain Kripke from Friends of the Earth Bethanie Walder, Wildlands CPR Jacob Smith, Wildlands CPr Robert Wlygul, Earthjustice And others whose names you already abhor. Workshops include "How to run a successful industry campaign,""Litigation," and many other topics designed to stop access to public lands. There is a scheduled "agency working group" session where the wackos will have full access to the Forest Service, BLM, Park Service, and Fish & Wildlife Service so that they can make their case. There are other sessions, all designed to help the greenies have more influence over the land managers and members of YOUR congress. Your tax-payer government employees who are scheduled to participate are: Chris Wood, Senior Policy Advisor USDA Forest Service and Tom Fry, Acting Director, BLM. Fry is scheduled to be a keynote speaker at one of the luncheons. This invitation is of course open to all government employees. And YOU will pay for their salaries, registration and per diem while they attend. If you would like to see a full agenda, visit http://www.wilderness.org/standbylands/orv/conference040700.htm I just know you will love what you see. And you can register on-line. Maybe with a phony name??? Let's consider some type of calling blitz to our congressmen, our public lands offices in DC, and anyone else who might care. This is outrageous! ********************************************** Mel Wolf, President Colorado Snowmobile Association, Inc. P.O. Box 886 Loveland, CO 80539 970-667-3191 FAX 970-663-6598 e-mail: melwolf-at-verinet.com Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird LX 4.6 V8/Sport "Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - --Ed Howdershelt ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:05:03 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: fsj sticker > From: "Michael" >Subject: Re: re: Sticker / Decal > >Yes, the "sticker" discussion was in reference to John's site, Wrong... We're talking about the FSJ logo that I came up with about 4 years ago. It is not specifically a reference to my server. I've copyrighted the FSJ logo and sell the stickers. I put the URL on it so that folks can find us. It's not related to my server, but FSJ's in general. I'm thinking it would help all of us if I put together a page that provides info on ALL the FSJ lists and chat groups out there. Would a sticker with my server address across the face still be as cool? : see the image at: http://wagoneers.com/fsj-link.jpg The questions I've had relate to the URL on the sticker so folks can find us... It is the most recognizable logo out there. It's a result of the story I wrote, the same one that caught Chrysler's eye and got me in the Jeep Camp video for 99: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/escape.html later, john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: NP questions Will a NP207 input gear work in a NP208? Does anyone know? Did they make a 23 spline NP207? There is a NP207 down the hill from me for $250, and if the parts swap, then John can get his 4.0L and AW4 put in his Jeep for sure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:59:46 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: reliability vs. list At 08:47 AM 4/6/00 -0500, Landon Tesar wrote: > Must be so quiet because the Mercedes are so >reliable. :) > >And the FSJ list is the largest for inverse reasons... ;) > >rofl >>- L :) john ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. So a duck is only a duck when you embrace his world view, otherwise, it's just a bunch of funny looking parts. ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Time to get to work! Today I'm rebuilding a 998 auto trans (from my '86 Dodge van) and I will be taking pics as I go because they are nearly identical to the FSJ 727. (Except the bellhousing pattern and long tailshaft, they ARE the same as what's in Elmo!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:38:38 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Time to get to work! Jim, try using a tripod and a bright light on the work. The resolution of your pictures makes them very hard to see. I wish I had time to come down and take pictures... you really need to get a good digital camera or a good 35 mm setup... :) john At 01:07 PM 4/6/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >Today I'm rebuilding a 998 auto trans (from my '86 Dodge van) and I will >be taking pics as I go because they are nearly identical to the FSJ 727. >(Except the bellhousing pattern and long tailshaft, they ARE the same as >what's in Elmo!) > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on >allexperts.com Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 100 14:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions Well, of course I don't know for sure, but I don't think so. I think the 207 is a completely different animal from the NP208. I think I read somewhere that the NP207 was the originall number for the NP231 before NP redid their number scheme. This means the NP207s are just early NP231s. Does anyone have any idea if this is true or not? - -brad Jim writes: > Will a NP207 input gear work in a NP208? Does anyone know? Did they make > a 23 spline NP207? There is a NP207 down the hill from me for $250, and > if the parts swap, then John can get his 4.0L and AW4 put in his Jeep > for sure. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions A: I saw John's NP231 and it didn't look like the NP207 I saw. The 207 looked more like a NP129 from an Eagle. Brad=A0Seevers wrote: Well, of course I don't know for sure, but I don't think so. I think the 207 is a completely different animal from the NP208. I think I read somewhere that the NP207 was the originall number for the NP231 before NP redid their number scheme. This means the NP207s are just early NP231s. Does anyone have any idea if this is true or not? - -brad Jim writes: Will a NP207 input gear work in a NP208? Does anyone know? Did they make a 23 spline NP207? There is a NP207 down the hill from me for $250, and if the parts swap, then John can get his 4.0L and AW4 put in his Jeep for sure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:32:54 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions the 207 was in the early xj's, then they went to 231s. I had a 231 here but didn't compare to my 208. I've heard that the 231 has a bigger chain than the 207s, and if memory serves me correctly, the guy that bought my 231 was replacing his 207 and the 231 was larger... my gut feeling is that my 208 is larger than a 207, it's not nearly as "wimpy" feeling either... ;) john At 02:14 PM 4/6/00 -0700, Brad Seevers wrote: > >Well, of course I don't know for sure, but I don't think so. I think the >207 is a completely different animal from the NP208. I think I read somewhere >that the NP207 was the originall number for the NP231 before NP redid their >number scheme. This means the NP207s are just early NP231s. Does anyone >have any idea if this is true or not? > >-brad > >Jim writes: > >> Will a NP207 input gear work in a NP208? Does anyone know? Did they make >> a 23 spline NP207? There is a NP207 down the hill from me for $250, and >> if the parts swap, then John can get his 4.0L and AW4 put in his Jeep >> for sure. > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:38:23 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: a "we hate" off-roaders conference http://www.wilderness.org/standbylands/orv/conference040700.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 100 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions Interesting! The 208 has a wider chain the the 231. I think it is even wider than the dodge version of the 231 wich has a wider chain than the GM and jeep versions. I measured the 208 chain as almost 2" wide. I think it was 1 7/8" or 1 15/16". Of course the BW QT people will say this is much smaller than the BW QT, but remember the 208 chain only drives the front diff. - -brad > the 207 was in the early xj's, then they went to 231s. I had > a 231 here but didn't compare to my 208. I've heard that the 231 > has a bigger chain than the 207s, and if memory serves me correctly, > the guy that bought my 231 was replacing his 207 and the 231 was > larger... my gut feeling is that my 208 is larger than a 207, it's > not nearly as "wimpy" feeling either... ;) > > john > > > At 02:14 PM 4/6/00 -0700, Brad Seevers wrote: > > > >Well, of course I don't know for sure, but I don't think so. I think the > >207 is a completely different animal from the NP208. I think I read > somewhere > >that the NP207 was the originall number for the NP231 before NP redid their > >number scheme. This means the NP207s are just early NP231s. Does anyone > >have any idea if this is true or not? > > > >-brad > > > >Jim writes: > > > >> Will a NP207 input gear work in a NP208? Does anyone know? Did they make > >> a 23 spline NP207? There is a NP207 down the hill from me for $250, and > >> if the parts swap, then John can get his 4.0L and AW4 put in his Jeep > >> for sure. > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: I lost the address I have some parts sitting here, but lost who they were going to (Not yours Will or Lee) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale They are $69 plus postage for top quality reprints Call 1-800-454-2734 and mention the internet Jeep club of your choice. (price is still the same, but we'll let them know we found them that way!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:18:13 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale so what's an original worth? ;) john At 03:11 PM 4/6/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >They are $69 plus postage for top quality reprints Call 1-800-454-2734 >and mention the internet Jeep club of your choice. (price is still the >same, but we'll let them know we found them that way!) > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on >allexperts.com Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 15:18:54 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions do you have the dimensions of the various chains in those wonderful books of yours? ;) john At 02:44 PM 4/6/00 -0700, Brad Seevers wrote: > >Interesting! The 208 has a wider chain the the 231. I think it is even wider >than the dodge version of the 231 wich has a wider chain than the GM and jeep >versions. > >I measured the 208 chain as almost 2" wide. I think it was 1 7/8" or 1 15/16". >Of course the BW QT people will say this is much smaller than the BW QT, but >remember the 208 chain only drives the front diff. > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 100 15:21:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: NP questions No, but I wish I did! Instead I have them in assorted mag articles over the last zillion years, or if I'm lucky I have a chain laying on my garage floor and I just measure it! I only half trust the magazine articles to get this stuff right anyway. I like it best when I can actually do the measurement or count the splines myself. - -brad John writes: > do you have the dimensions of the various chains in those wonderful > books of yours? ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:58:51 -0500 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale I called and got the "Small Business Administration." Is that number correct? Do they also have part books? (I lost the one I wanted on eBay.) Later, Jamie Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Carnuck-at-webtv .net (James To: fsj-at-digest.net, 1FSJ-at-egroups.com Blair) cc: Sent by: Subject: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale owner-fsj-at-dig est.net 04/06/2000 05:11 PM Please respond to Carnuck They are $69 plus postage for top quality reprints Call 1-800-454-2734 and mention the internet Jeep club of your choice. (price is still the same, but we'll let them know we found them that way!) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: FSJ Manuals MR 253 for sale A: OOPS! Fat finger mistake (Or dyslexia setting in again) 1-800-458-2734 is the correct number. Jamie wrote: I called and got the "Small Business Administration." Is that number correct? Do they also have part books? (I lost the one I wanted on eBay.) Later, Jamie Phillips I wrote: They are $69 plus postage for top quality reprints Call 1-800-454-2734 and mention the internet Jeep club of your choice. (price is still the same, but we'll let them know we found them that way!) ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: FWD: 4.0 belt shredder Please send your ideas direct, as Mike isn't on this list. smutpup-at-wctel.net (Mike Selig) wrote: jim, you got any ideas why my 4.0 in an 89 xj might start eating serpentine belts?going to work today, it started making funny noises. checked under the hood, and found 3/16 inch of the inner edge(closest to the block) shredded. replaced the belt after a visual inspection(all pulleys seemed to be in line and in good shape). drove home about 25 miles, then left to get dinner. about 25 more miles, started hearing funny noises again. found the new belt in the same shape! inner edge starting to fray!. the first belt was on for 30-40 ? k miles with no problems. this could get expensive at 25 bucks a pop for those belts. if you have any thoughts, or have heard about any belt problems with the 4 ltrs i'd like to hear about it. i'm gonna have to drive my cj to work tomorrow, and i hate to put a lot of street miles on the new swampers. thanx. smut ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:51:26 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: FWD: 4.0 belt shredder sounds like one of the idler pulleys or a/c pump/clutch seized up... with the belt off try to spin all the little pulleys... the one that doesn't spin needs to be replaced. john At 05:19 PM 4/6/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >Please send your ideas direct, as Mike isn't on this list. > >smutpup-at-wctel.net (Mike Selig) wrote: >jim, you got any ideas why my 4.0 in an 89 xj might start eating >serpentine belts?going to work today, it started making funny noises. >checked under the hood, and found 3/16 inch of the inner edge(closest to >the block) shredded. replaced the belt after a visual inspection(all >pulleys seemed to be in line and in good shape). drove home about 25 >miles, then left to get dinner. about 25 more miles, started hearing >funny noises again. found the new belt in the same shape! inner edge >starting to fray!. the first belt was on for 30-40 ? k miles with no >problems. this could get expensive at 25 bucks a pop for those belts. if >you have any thoughts, or have heard about any belt problems with the 4 >ltrs i'd like to hear about it. i'm gonna have to drive my cj to work >tomorrow, and i hate to put a lot of street miles on the new swampers. >thanx. smut > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on >allexperts.com Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #807 *************************