From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 12 21:10:48 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, April 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 814 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: The Jerrari fsj: Ash deposits on sparkplugs and missing o fsj: Re: forgot to include the URL... fsj: Re: FSJ group history fsj: Re: 200,000 miles!!! fsj: throttle linkage and cruise Re: fsj: throttle linkage and cruise fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Chewed spark plugs.. Re: xj: Re: fsj: throttle linkage and cruise fsj: choke choking fsj: Re: wood grain overlays Re: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Chewed spark plugs.. Re: [fsj: updated test logo...] Re: [fsj: CB radio] fsj: Re: choke choking fsj: Power steering box Re: fsj: Power steering box FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:12:09 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: The Jerrari john writes: >> The engine/trans setup is a Ferrari 365 GTC/4 V-12 and C4 5 speed transmission coupled to the Jeep Quadratrac... top speed 140 mph. (this info is off the plaque... I have no earthly idea what C4 tranny they're talking about... in my mind a C4 is a three speed ford auto...;) << The tranny is from Ferrari as well. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 11-Apr-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:12:10 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Ash deposits on sparkplugs and missing o "MadMarx" writes: >> My 360 has been using alot of oil at highway speeds, like 1 quart ever= y 60 miles when turning about 2700 rpm, but I can't see the blue smoke I would expect at that rate of usage. At low speeds around town it barely uses any. I find a little oil by the distributor and I replaced the gaske= t there. I am always finding oil on the intake manifold and on the bottom side of the oil filler breather. << AMC heads have small drain back holes and are susceptible to being plugged-up by sludge or the remains of crumbling valve seals. If this wer= e the case with your 360, you would notice fluctuating oil pressure at highway speeds but, steady oil pressure around town. If the valve covers were getting packed with packed with oil on the highway, that may explain= your high oil consumption on the highway. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 11-Apr-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:49:02 -0400 From: "Ray Drouillard" Subject: fsj: Re: forgot to include the URL... > >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:23:37 PDT > >From: "Phil Marek" > >Subject: Re: xj: 200,000 miles!!! > >>What??? No pics of it from the webcam? :o) I'm disappointed in you!! > >>LOL Congrats John. > >>Phil > > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/littlewagoneer/199999.9.jpg > (I had to slow down for the camera to finish saving... ;) > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/littlewagoneer/200000.0.jpg > > > john I see that your little wag made the M200K transition as easily as the world made the Y2K transition. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:07:01 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FSJ group history At 09:12 PM 4/11/00 -0400, you wrote: >>> My site is currently non-commercial, it's my own. I've had FSJ content >on my site since the very beginning... 94 or 95, when I started the FSJ >list with a guy in Fargo, ND. Super Ken was the third guy in, then Michael >Baxter and so on... ><<> >John, Did you kill a few brain cells sweating when the Sun came out up >there again? :-) Remember I turned the keeping of the group list over to OH, that's what that bright thing is up there in the sky... I was gonna email someone to help figger it out... ;) >you after you so graciously offered to take over the task. Not one to look >a gift horse in the mouth, I gladly accepted your offer. :-) you mean the FIRST list!? :) yes, the address book, ccing from hades thing... yep... I remember that... it's fuzzy... but I remember it, painfully... ;) But that was well after things got rolling in 95. I had been in contact with Mike Lacher well before I bought Old Blue. I bought Old Blue in early June 1995, but had swapped email with Mike back in January or February. When I mentioned the list I was refering to life with the third or fourth list server. :) Remember, zynet, then tehabi, then ORC, then some little server in Sultan, WA, then digest.net ... ;) Remember how many times I shot myself in the foot with the cc's? rofl... :) Someone would email everyone and their brother and I'd copy the guy's address into Eudora and then figure out I was emailing folks who didn't have a clue what we were talking about and so on... :) I'm not especially happy with MajorDumbo, but he is a bit smarter than me using Eudora's address book. :) > >You, Mike Latcher, et al discussed starting a list; but Hunter Hasbrouck, Mike Lacher (who btw, he sold his Wagoneer a year or two ago... :( >Rich Holley, and myself started the practice of "the address book from >hell" as you named it. We 1st recruited Steve Nordby into our little group >after I recognized his name in Usenet because he had a picture of his Wag. I remember Steve coming in... :) Haven't heard from him for a bit. >published in a 4WD magazine. Then came SuperKen who I also met via Usenet. >I'm sure I would have run into you guys sooner or later since I was fishing >on Usenet. Ken joined our little group and then asked if he could "invite" >someone else to join. The answer was, of course, a resounding "heck yes." >Enter you dragging everyone else interested in forming a online FSJ >community. This all occurred in August 1995 and I turned the address book Mike Lacher's "wagoneer owner's unite" post to usenet was in April or May... >from hell over to you when we had a scant 13 members onboard. I managed to >keep the original list all these years as it was when I turned it over to >you. I've sent a copy to you in the past. Do you need me to send it again? YES!!! Please... ;) That would be great... It seems like Mike and I were working in a parallel universe to what you and Super Ken and Rich and so on were in... I remember when we merged forces. :) Do you remember the "Wagoneer Owners Unite" post on rec.autos.4x4? :) That's what I point to as the "beginning" of the FSJ list. Mike Lacher and I had swapped email in Jan or Feb of 95 on the topic, and then he posted that in about April or so... I've got it saved somewhere... Things really got going after June when I bought Old Blue, and of course by August we were "official". I wonder if usenet would have any of those early posts from early 95... be kind of fun to read them now. :) >And there is no doubt you did more to further the list than anyone before >or since. I finally gave-up fishing on Usenet for potential new group >members because you kept beating me to the punch :-). :) Being involved with UNIX and on line most of the time at home and work helped immensely. :) >This is just FYI so you know. Mainly for your book. I did suggest to >Hunter and Rich that we copy each other in on FSJ related traffic but, I >don't take credit for essentially staring the list. We wouldn't have the >extensive FSJ online community (ies...I guess now) without all the >contributions that have been made since. I haven't swapped email with Rich for a while... and last I remember Hunter's mailbox filled up in about 1996 and that's the last we heard of him... have you been in touch with him lately? ;) Do you remember a few years ago Mark Wallace driving his 81 Wagoneer from Boston to Seattle and meeting up with several of us from the original list? He met up with Rich. He missed Joe Sego by just a little bit. Man, I remember how bummed Joe was about that... :( > Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter > From Reno, NV USA on 11-Apr-2000 john meister snohomish, wa - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:46:14 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 200,000 miles!!! At 08:54 PM 4/11/00 -0400, Cliff Thompson wrote: >Amen to the Benz-Diesels, i had 350,000 miles on my '79 240D when the >drivers seat went thru the rusted floor making for scary commuting. >Cliff Thompson rofl... actually you went through the floor... ;) optional floorboards is typically an FSJ kind of thing... (the early Wagoneers has a floor rust problem...) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: throttle linkage and cruise Since I'm parting my Eagle, I'm pulling the throttle linkage and the cruise ball from the Eagle I have a tilt column (the one I got the wheel from you didn't like) The fuel fill neck is coming out (tank is down and free if anyone wants it. I scooped the fuel sender because mine broke in Elmo) Anyone need anything else from the Eagle? The class 3 hitch I paid $350 for may be already spoken for, but there's quite a few other parts, like the 6 cyl electronic ignition harness with dist and box. Dana 35 (model 15, 2 piece axles) 2.37:1 and Model 20 2.87:1 rear axles (the model 20 is from a '77 Matador, but is the correct width for Eagle and XJ and has 10x2.5" brakes) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:45:11 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: throttle linkage and cruise Did you ever find the filler tube for the eagle tank you gave me? How much for the cruise control setup? :) Do you have all the electrical stuff for it? I met up with ernie and got the manifold linkage and airfilter stuff. Anyone need a cast iron intake manifold from a 258? I bought it along with the parts I needed, make ya a good deal on it. :) Also, ernie has a set of headers, new, unused, for a 258, has two outputs, well done. He wants $100 local, $120 anywhere else, and he'll cover the postage out of the 120... john At 08:33 PM 4/11/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >Since I'm parting my Eagle, I'm pulling the throttle linkage and the >cruise ball from the Eagle I have a tilt column (the one I got the wheel >from you didn't like) The fuel fill neck is coming out (tank is down and >free if anyone wants it. I scooped the fuel sender because mine broke in >Elmo) >Anyone need anything else from the Eagle? The class 3 hitch I paid $350 >for may be already spoken for, but there's quite a few other parts, like >the 6 cyl electronic ignition harness with dist and box. Dana 35 (model >15, 2 piece axles) 2.37:1 and Model 20 2.87:1 rear axles (the model 20 >is from a '77 Matador, but is the correct width for Eagle and XJ and has >10x2.5" brakes) > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on >allexperts.com Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Chewed spark plugs.. A: Make sure the end of the magnet's screw isn't so loose it falls it to stay! (watched someone else do that. Took hella long time to remove!) The way the intake runners are laid out IIRC, the #6 and #7 are on the same pipe (Dodge is anyway. I have no AMC V8 to look at now). Did your rockers get checked to make sure they all are moving on the left bank? RJ Baynum wrote: Valve guides could be it.. I did what John had said about pull the plug, and see if it blows out.. so far nothing.. thursday, I 'll do it again, but use a magnetic telescoping rod to see any loose metal. I also noticed a louder rattle from the cylinder, that , if your in front the back right side=A0 (driver's side) the other plug is not as chewed bad , but bent, is on the left second to the last one on the left. R.J. carnuck-at-webtv.net wrote: A: Which 2 plugs? I would consider dropping the oil pan and checking the rod caps on those 2 (especially if they are side by side: ie #5 on one side ,and #6 from the other which are on the same throw. The engine block you save WILL be your own! A piece of carbon bouncing back and forth will do that too. Take those 2 plugs out (and park somewhere the noise won't be too noticeable) and fire it up to see what comes out. Compression testing those 2 cylinders would be a good idea too. You may have a valve guide that split and is letting pieces into the cylinders to bounce around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:41:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: throttle linkage and cruise A: I'm pulling the filler off my car. We'll dicker over the cruise setup! ;^) I'm pretty sure I have the harness and all. The box may be bad though (might have been a vac leak too. The Eagle kept springing those). I may talk to Ernie about that header, but I believe it's for the earlier and won't fit the 4.0L. john wrote: Did you ever find the filler tube for the eagle tank you gave me? How much for the cruise control setup? :) Do you have all the electrical stuff for it? I met up with ernie and got the manifold linkage and airfilter stuff. Anyone need a cast iron intake manifold from a 258? =A0 I bought it along with the parts I needed, make ya a good deal on it. :) Also, ernie has a set of headers, new, unused, for a 258, has two outputs, well done. He wants $100 local, $120 anywhere else, and he'll cover the postage out of the 120... john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:33:13 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: choke choking From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Chewed spark plugs.. Okay remember the plugs I mentioned? Well that still is not fixed also the choke won't work now, R.J, I played the 'no choke' game for a while. You'd be surprised how easy it is to loosen the three screws around the choke body, then rotate the choke body counter clockwise till the choke flap closes, then tighten the screws. If it worked before, the fast idle is probably still in adjustment, it just slipped inside its body. This is not the technical approach, but should save you some time in the mornings. - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:10:03 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wood grain overlays At 01:37 AM 4/12/00 EDT, Msmithclan-at-aol.com wrote: >do u know where i can buy wood grain overlays for a 1982 wagoneer. jeep >dealership wants $1000.00 for the whole kit. looking for a secondary market. > then, how do u remove the old overlays? i heard w/ a heat gun, but its very >hard and slow. do u even have to remove the old stuff? thanks. > If you're putting new overlay, yes, you want to remove the old stuff. The heat gun is about the best technique. You may be able to go to a body shop supply store and get it that way. Even JC Whitney sells the stuff. :) john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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Just make sure to use the right length thread adapter! 8^0 ) RJ wrote: nope.. they wanted a bunch of money , like 150.00 to even look at it it, because they would have to remove all the emission's stuff, and hoses and such.. yada.. yada..yada =A0 R.J. James Blair wrote: A: Make sure the end of the magnet's screw isn't so loose it falls it to stay! (watched someone else do that. Took hella long time to remove!) The way the intake runners are laid out IIRC, the #6 and #7 are on the same pipe (Dodge is anyway. I have no AMC V8 to look at now). Did your rockers get checked to make sure they all are moving on the left bank? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 00 16:04:52 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: updated test logo...] http://WWW.WAGONEERS.COM/FSJ/new-fsj-logo.jpg (If this is a late response, sorry, been busy!) Anyway, SWEET!!! This rocks!!! If I can put in an order, I'd like to order 4 of them. Don't change a thing, this one is perfect. Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 00 16:23:27 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: CB radio] "michel balea" wrote: > What would you recommend for less than $100, including antenna... > Found a few inexpensive stuff > uniden 520XL for $49 Wow, jump on it! The 520XL is feature rich and a great radio. It's what= I run now. It's got PA capability (helpful on the trail if you get a $15 r= adio shack weatherproof loudspeaker), sql/vol, but also RF gain which is great= off-road to tune out everyone but those in your group. The ANL and CH9 s= witch is handy. Has good sound quality to being with and seems to receive well= =2E = Also has ext speaker capability for improving sound quality further. Las= tly, it's tiny and all-black so it'll fit anywhere and doesn't look gaudy. Th= at's a great price too! I paid quite a bit more at a truck stop and thought I= was getting a good deal versus local consumer electronics stores. Add to that radio a fiberglass antenna (maybe a Firestik?) that you can m= ount to the right rear bumper or sheet metal and you're good to go for the tra= il! = Maybe add a spring to prevent breaking anything. A K40 is probably overk= ill (I have one for sale tho with magmount or trunk lip/bumper mount) as it h= as incredible reception so you pick up stuff you don't want to and have to u= se RF gain quite a bit to tune out the crap. Transmit range is phenomenal. Yo= u can get a cheap Fiberglass from Radio Shack for under $20, the Firestiks aren= 't much more and they appear to be better--at least they sound like they kno= w what they're talking about http://www.firestik.com/. The antenna I'm running cost too much; it's a Hustler 30" permanent mount= (on the roof behind my 17" dual-band ham ant) which I had thought would avoid= overhead branches. It's better than the K40 but still hits branches and garage door. Thinking about ditching it in favor of a 4' fiberglass to a= ttach to the swing-away tire carrier in back. Maybe it's just me but it seems like ALL the 4-wheelers run the red fiber= glass antennas out back. Almost as an identifier like the ring of those associ= ated with The Shadow. Do other 4-wheelers look for that on 4x4s to see if the= 4x4 is show or go? Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:38:01 -0500 From: "TLynn" Subject: fsj: Re: choke choking I got real tired of changing the choke adjustement when the weather changed...which it does alot here in MO....I just the spring aout and rigged a manual choke into the cab.....have not had a problem since. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Landon Tesar" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 09:33 Subject: fsj: choke choking From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Chewed spark plugs.. Okay remember the plugs I mentioned? Well that still is not fixed also the choke won't work now, R.J, I played the 'no choke' game for a while. You'd be surprised how easy it is to loosen the three screws around the choke body, then rotate the choke body counter clockwise till the choke flap closes, then tighten the screws. If it worked before, the fast idle is probably still in adjustment, it just slipped inside its body. This is not the technical approach, but should save you some time in the mornings. - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:56:57 EDT From: Chrisharon-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Power steering box I seem to recall something about a H.D. steering box with a '76' cast into it... Does anybody know if it has more power to it or ??? I've got the stock box on my '78 Cherokee and would like to upgrade as I *USE* the power steering with 35" tires, when I try to move our 27' boat around attached to a front hitch point. The boat probably adds around 600lbs to the front of the Cherokee, and with the 35" tires it takes a LOT of juice to turn it... Chris '78 Cherokee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 100 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: Power steering box At some point in the early/mid 70s?? Jeep switched to the 76 4 bolt box and kept it till the very end. You should already have it in a 78. - -brad Chris writes: > I seem to recall something about a H.D. steering box with a '76' cast into > it... Does anybody know if it has more power to it or ??? I've got the > stock box on my '78 Cherokee and would like to upgrade as I *USE* the power > steering with 35" tires, when I try to move our 27' boat around attached to a > front hitch point. The boat probably adds around 600lbs to the front of the > Cherokee, and with the 35" tires it takes a LOT of juice to turn it... ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #814 *************************