From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 14 14:55:29 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 819 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Mystery Bolt Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: [Re: [Re: [fsj: CB radio]]] fsj: slogan stolen Re: fsj: where are you/rusted Re: fsj: slogan stolen Re: fsj: slogan stolen Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? fsj: Mystery Bolt fsj: F-250 300-6 Box size (Was fsj: radio waves) Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: fsj: slogan stolen Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Re: fsj: where are you/rusted fsj: going digest mode... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:55:25 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Mystery Bolt Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) said: {- Remember that PO can stand for present as well as {- previous owner! LOL! The first couple times I saw "PO", I thought they meant it was a Post Office Jeep... :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Love... Who can explain it? -- Capt. Douglas "Dawg" Brown - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? A: I'm going to be doing very much that with Elmo, but I am going one step further! I'm putting a stroker 4.6L in place of the tired 4.2L with an AW4 and NP242 (just got them last week) and EFI. Not too much sacrilege there AFAICS. Still AMC power! You can bolt the 6 cyl up to the TH400 you have now, but the driveshafts will need changing for length (John seems to forget about that! ) or move the rad out of the way (V8 sits about 5" forward of the 6 cyl) john-at-wagoneers.com writes: ok, let's try this again... =A0=A0=A0=A01) keep your existing wag =A0=A0=A0=A02) swap the axles for disc/pumpkin on driver's side from 80's wag =A0=A0=A0=A03) swap in 4.0L/aisin warner/np242 (fuel injection!) =A0=A0=A0=A04) cruise in style... ;) XJ drive train in an SJ?! Yer gonna make me cry. I'd rather by an XJ, but not much. I've already got a '74 Dana 44 with discs sitting in the garage. What you propose is way too much money, work, and sacrilege. : ) Besides, I'm looking to increase the FSJ fleet! Ben ok, ok, do it your way... ;) you do realize of course that a 4.0L engine produces as much horsepower and torque as many v8's, and is very economical and durable... ;) my 200,000 mile 4.0L has beaten a 5.0L mustang up the hill here in clearview, granted, not by much... but considering the "volume" difference (his rig was smaller/lighter, and he had a liter on me) I'd say it's pretty impressive! I'm a sixaholic... ;) I love those extra main bearings and the ability to actually reach all the plugs without crawling under the fender... ;) john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:19:29 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Actually, I could see going to the 6 cylinder if my 360 were toast, maybe, but it would still be a ton of work to make everything work. As for the rest, it still feels akin to putting Ranger drive line in my F-250. The whole world is looking for heavier, stronger parts, and you two loonies are going the other way! Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 In a message dated 4/14/2000 1:09:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: > A: I'm going to be doing very much that with Elmo, but I am going one > step further! I'm putting a stroker 4.6L in place of the tired 4.2L with > an AW4 and NP242 (just got them last week) and EFI. Not too much > sacrilege there AFAICS. Still AMC power! You can bolt the 6 cyl up to > the TH400 you have now, but the driveshafts will need changing for > length (John seems to forget about that! ) or move the rad out of the > way (V8 sits about 5" forward of the 6 cyl) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:25:29 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [fsj: CB radio]]] what happens here is while trying to drive around a stump or boulder on a slick trail that was designed for cj type rigs, your back end tends to slide and slam into whatever is over there... crushing the ball mount or snapping off the whip. Sometimes, if you place your rig just right you'll slide past the fender and maybe even miss the bumper and twang... off it goes. :) Another way I've wiped out a rear mount was because of departure... the rear bumper dragged into gravel/rocks/mud and messes stuff up that way too... here's a picture of where I put it on Old Blue... hard to see, but it's that thing on the front fender above and forward of the wagoneer limited emblems... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/john/JEEP/JPG/dumptr1.jpg john At 02:08 PM 4/14/00 MDT, Michael Shimniok wrote: >john wrote: >> tried both, on both sides... even with springs... I've tried a >> variation of mounts too... the best place up here is off the >> mirrors or front fenders... > >Not trying to kick a dead horse, just trying to understand in >case I ever go wheeling up there or anywhere like it... > >In other words, I can't get it thru my thick skull how the heck >the antenna would get ripped off the back side of an FSJ... >I can see the side of the FSJ being a problem, but I can't >picture it for the life of me. Talking Wagoneers here, I can >see where the bumper would be bad for a J-truck. > >I can't figger why it'd be safe on a towing-style mirror as I >would think low branches would whack it off. I can't tell you >how many times I have wanted to tear out the stock FM radio >antenna as it continually gets hit with branches here. Front >fenders, like where? On the sides of 'em? Or on top of 'em? >In front of or behind the wheel well? I feel daft. > >I once ripped TC's right rear bumper molding off when I backed >into a rock. Had a K40 mounted to the top side of the bumper >(using the trunk lip mount) for a few months and aside from >the whip flailing around and getting caught up in the rear >window, it remained safe from harm... > >Sorry for being so dense, but I really do want to understand >this. I'm fascinated by these unique conditions of Pac NW. > >Didn't want to continue blathering on about my inability to >grasp this on the list... > >Michael > >--- >Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net > "For every complex problem, there is a solution that > is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:32:10 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: slogan stolen how does that one commercial go? redbull gives you wings.... rofl... That's 'Motorola' gives you wings. Maybe that was last year. - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: where are you/rusted A: I'm using Kevlar resin to seal Elmo from stem to stern when I pull the frame off, inside and out, then armour coating it with Rhino or similar. I'll do my rear 1/4 panels as I put them on, and seal the new WT front fenders before painting them. Jamie "always fighting rust" Phillips wrote: Here in Illinois, where I can still see signs of salt residue on roads, I get reasonable results from WD-40 and a small propane torch.(repeated applications) Then again, when I do exhaust work (since I don't have an oxy/acety torch) I get a lot of use out of a small cutting wheel. Sometimes the rust wins and it is cheaper and easier to just replace it (if possible). In fact, after I get my truck running and start doing body work, I am considering completely fiberglassing the underside of the entire body. (besides painting and "Rhino"? coating the bed) Has anybody on the list done or considered this? Later, Jamie "always fighting rust" Phillips ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:39:59 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: slogan stolen why would motorola give you wings??? ;) sings maybe, even rings... but wings? ;) At 03:32 PM 4/14/00 -0500, Landon Tesar wrote: >how does that one commercial go? > >redbull gives you wings.... rofl... > >That's 'Motorola' gives you wings. Maybe that was last year. > >- Landon > > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: slogan stolen A: Maybe even stings! (In the wallet if you have iridium stock) The only true thing that'll get you wings is the right belief! John wrote: why would motorola give you wings??? ;) sings maybe, even rings... but wings? ;) At 03:32 PM 4/14/00 -0500, Landon Tesar wrote: how does that one commercial go? redbull gives you wings.... rofl... That's 'Motorola' gives you wings. Maybe that was last year. - - Landon - ------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:49:23 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? Wow. I didn't know any of that. So tell me again why we're driving SJs instead of XJs? I guess it must have something to do with that "looney" word that mysteriously popped up earlier. Now, lets see... there must be a way to drop a Cadillac body onto a VW chassis... Ben In a message dated 4/14/2000 1:32:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > did you know that the track on an XJ is wider than an FSJ? > Did you know that the U-joints used in Old Blue (an 81 SJ) > are the same exact parts used in my 88 XJ wagoneer? :) > > Did you know that out of all the FSJ's I've had I've never heard > of one of their trannies going over 200,000 miles without a rebuild. > (a friend had 245,000 miles on his Aisin Warner and tows a very, very > large camper trailer, and then goes off rock crawling on Moab with it...) > > Did you know that my xj weighs about 3,900lbs and tows as much > as Old Blue did, and that my 83 J10 only weighs 4,100lbs... of > course Old Blue weighed in around 5,200lbs, and most of my SJ's > tipped the scales around 4,500 to 4,800. ;) > > So, with basically the same driveline parts, and MORE horsepower, > but much better reliability AND fuel economy... > > who's the loonies? rofl... ;) We're pioneers we are... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:30:28 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: Mystery Bolt From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: fsj: Mystery Bolt Whilst cleaning my 2150 2bbl carb, I found a bolt laying sideways - right under the baffle, on top of the bowls. This bolt is 3 3/4" long, 12mm head, has a regular washer and lock washer and a '7' with a dot above the 7 on the head. Any ideas? Reminder, the PO was an idiot. ======== Oh, brother. I thought only 4bbls could suck pigeons off the street. The only thing I can think of it that it was used in a vain attempt to replace the stud for the air cleaner, which probably means the threads are stripped - being metric. ?? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:31:00 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: F-250 300-6 In a message dated 4/14/2000 12:35:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:32:47 -0500 > From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com (snip) > I didn't realize that they weren't very common. My '77 F-250 has the > straight 6. Now I can tell my wife, "see it is special." I don't have a clue about production figures, but I looked for about a year before I bought my '78 and never found one with the 300 that I was willing to spend any money on. Half tons were a dime a dozen. A good used 3/4 ton can be hard to find, since most either aren't for sale or are used up. Most buyers of new 3/4 and 1 ton pickups will opt for the pulling power of a V8 over the 6 so the 6's tend to be even harder to find. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:53:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Box size (Was fsj: radio waves) In American trucks 6 ft box is shortbox, 8 foot is full bed and 9-10 ft is extended bed. They are probably talking about width though, and yours is a narrow bed full size. (correct terminology is shortbox stepside if 6' long) Blackie is a shortbox also, but a fleetside. R.J.=A0Baynum wrote: you know.. but .. I was wondering if it was truly the best place possible.. right now.. also what size is my truck bed? when I was looking at a Box for the back, they said , "Full size" what exactly is my correct term for my size? ( I also want to get a roll bar too... one of these days R.J. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:33:37 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? At 04:19 PM 4/14/00 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >Actually, I could see going to the 6 cylinder if my 360 were toast, maybe, >but it would still be a ton of work to make everything work. As for the >rest, it still feels akin to putting Ranger drive line in my F-250. The >whole world is looking for heavier, stronger parts, and you two loonies are >going the other way! > >Ben Williams >'71 Wagoneer >'78 F-250 4x4 did you know that the track on an XJ is wider than an FSJ? Did you know that the U-joints used in Old Blue (an 81 SJ) are the same exact parts used in my 88 XJ wagoneer? :) Did you know that out of all the FSJ's I've had I've never heard of one of their trannies going over 200,000 miles without a rebuild. (a friend had 245,000 miles on his Aisin Warner and tows a very, very large camper trailer, and then goes off rock crawling on Moab with it...) Did you know that my xj weighs about 3,900lbs and tows as much as Old Blue did, and that my 83 J10 only weighs 4,100lbs... of course Old Blue weighed in around 5,200lbs, and most of my SJ's tipped the scales around 4,500 to 4,800. ;) So, with basically the same driveline parts, and MORE horsepower, but much better reliability AND fuel economy... who's the loonies? rofl... ;) We're pioneers we are... ;) Gotta run, picking up parts for Doc's XJ, seems it spit up it's air conditioning compressor... they wanted almost 3 bills for one down there, got one from Olympic for $50! The towing bill ate up the money doc was gonna use for Timex's rebuild kit... :( In a way I'm relieved... I couldn't image the two of us under Timex in 80 plus degree weather working on that tranny... when it gets that hot I hide in my air conditioned office... ;) Flying out early tomorrow, by 5:30pm eastern time I'll be in Orlando delivering Jeep parts... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:57:42 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? At 04:49 PM 4/14/00 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >Wow. I didn't know any of that. So tell me again why we're driving SJs >instead of XJs? I guess it must have something to do with that "looney" >word that mysteriously popped up earlier. Now, lets see... there must be a >way to drop a Cadillac body onto a VW chassis... > >Ben > > >In a message dated 4/14/2000 1:32:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > >> did you know that the track on an XJ is wider than an FSJ? >> Did you know that the U-joints used in Old Blue (an 81 SJ) >> are the same exact parts used in my 88 XJ wagoneer? :) >> >> Did you know that out of all the FSJ's I've had I've never heard >> of one of their trannies going over 200,000 miles without a rebuild. >> (a friend had 245,000 miles on his Aisin Warner and tows a very, very >> large camper trailer, and then goes off rock crawling on Moab with it...) >> >> Did you know that my xj weighs about 3,900lbs and tows as much >> as Old Blue did, and that my 83 J10 only weighs 4,100lbs... of >> course Old Blue weighed in around 5,200lbs, and most of my SJ's >> tipped the scales around 4,500 to 4,800. ;) >> >> So, with basically the same driveline parts, and MORE horsepower, >> but much better reliability AND fuel economy... >> >> who's the loonies? rofl... ;) We're pioneers we are... ;) > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:59:31 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? At 04:49 PM 4/14/00 EDT, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >Wow. I didn't know any of that. So tell me again why we're driving SJs >instead of XJs? I guess it must have something to do with that "looney" >word that mysteriously popped up earlier. Now, lets see... there must be a >way to drop a Cadillac body onto a VW chassis... >>Ben I drive an SJ because of the "panoscopic vision". The view from the saddle is incredible. I also like having a real frame, and will eventually have a better ride... Remember, I've got one of each... ;) (see sig file for "family portrait") A caddy body on a wagoneer chassis... now there you go... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:05:26 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: Re: fsj: slogan stolen I don't know, I'm not in marketing. I think the idea was to go 'wireless' Go anywhere, anyway, as high, low, or far out as you want, but still be connected. Haven't heard that in a while, but I think of it every time I look at a Red Bull display. I think: 'Motorola gives you Red Bull.' - - Landon ==================== john wrote: > why would motorola give you wings??? ;) sings maybe, > even rings... but wings? ;) > > At 03:32 PM 4/14/00 -0500, Landon Tesar wrote: > >how does that one commercial go? > > > >redbull gives you wings.... rofl... > > > >That's 'Motorola' gives you wings. Maybe that was last year. > > > >- Landon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? A: The track on an XJ is the same as an NT wagoneer, not wider! The tire offset pushes the wheels in more though. The SJ has more interior room for hauling people and junk, plus it's full frame and can take more punishment! Ben wrote: Wow. I didn't know any of that. So tell me again why we're driving SJs instead of XJs? =A0 I guess it must have something to do with that "looney" word that mysteriously popped up earlier. Now, lets see... there must be a way to drop a Cadillac body onto a VW chassis... Ben In a message dated 4/14/2000 1:32:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: did you know that the track on an XJ is wider than an FSJ? Did you know that the U-joints used in Old Blue (an 81 SJ) are the same exact parts used in my 88 XJ wagoneer? :) =A0=A0=A0=A0Did you know that out of all the FSJ's I've had I've never heard of one of their trannies going over 200,000 miles without a rebuild. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0(a friend had 245,000 miles on his Aisin Warner and tows a very, very large camper trailer, and then goes off rock crawling on Moab with it...) =A0=A0=A0=A0Did you know that my xj weighs about 3,900lbs and tows as much as Old Blue did, and that my 83 J10 only weighs 4,100lbs... of course Old Blue weighed in around 5,200lbs, and most of my SJ's tipped the scales around 4,500 to 4,800. ;) =A0=A0=A0=A0So, with basically the same driveline parts, and MORE horsepower, but much better reliability AND fuel economy... =A0=A0=A0=A0who's the loonies? rofl... ;) =A0 We're pioneers we are... ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 100 14:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: where are you/rusted Thats exactly what I am looking for -- resin with kevlar fibers in it. Where do you get such stuff? All the resin I have found is just the resin that you apply over kevlar or glass. Or do I misunderstand was kevlar resin is? - -brad Jim writes: > A: I'm using Kevlar resin to seal Elmo from stem to stern when I pull > the frame off, inside and out, then armour coating it with Rhino or > similar. I'll do my rear 1/4 panels as I put them on, and seal the new > WT front fenders before painting them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:40:16 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: going digest mode... I'm going into digest mode... fly out in the morning and don't want a bazillion emails. If something comes up for me, cc me. Seattle-Denver-Orlando and back... Saturday to Saturday... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #819 *************************