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fsj-digest          Saturday, April 15 2000          Volume 01 : Number 820



Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:

	fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???
	Re: [Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???]
	fsj: about that airpump bracket...
	fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???
	fsj: jeeps anonymous
	fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list
	fsj: Re: [1FSJ] RE: FSJ group history
	fsj: RE: FSJ group history
	fsj: Re: FSJ group history
	fsj: xj driveline in an FSJ???
	fsj: radio waves]
	fsj: NOS Dana 20 output shaft on EBay
	fsj: An FSJ Predicament???

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:39:00 -0500
From: "Landon Tesar" <r16884-at-email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???

So tell me again why we're driving SJs
instead of XJs?

Cuz I picked mine up for $3500 with a rebuilt engine and Very good
interior.  I plan to put another 70K miles on it, and I can do the work
on it.  That's $.05/mile initial investment, and it has potential to
accrue value.  We can talk gas mileage if you want, but that's what my
Harley Sportster is for (48 mpg)  I think it evens out when you look at
having comprehensive vs just liability insurance.

An XJ with options approaches 20K, + interest, and you'll probably get
200K out of it.  That's $.10/mile initial investment.

I trust a used Wagoneer, I don't trust a used XJ, just because of the
newer systems.  I did take a long look at a 1988 Commanche, 4.0,  The
Wag seemed like more vehicle.

- - Landon

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Date: 14 Apr 00 17:10:25 MDT
From: Michael Shimniok <michael.shimniok-at-usa.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???]

Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) wrote:
> A: The track on an XJ is the same as an NT wagoneer, not wider! The tir=
e
> offset pushes the wheels in more though. The SJ has more interior room
> for hauling people and junk, plus it's full frame and can take more
> punishment!

Axle width isn't much of a measure of off-road capability anyway.  Not th=
at
FSJ or XJ axles can handle extreme rock-crawling, but I can't help but
question the strength and durability of the XJs.  A friend of mine wheele=
d his
XJ for a couple of years.  Now the doors no longer fit or close right, an=
d
things rattle and creak more than they should.  That doesn't seem to be a=
n
issue for the FSJs.  Sometimes the extra weight is nice when towing so th=
e
tail doesn't wag the dog as happened to another friend whose XJ was whisk=
ed
off the highway and rolled down an embankment three times.  They're safe;=
 he
came out literally unscratched.

But more to the point...

> Ben wrote:
> Wow. I didn't know any of that. So tell me again why we're driving SJs
> instead of XJs? <g>

Because...

=2E..the healthy sound of a V8 motor glugging along the trail, roaring un=
der
acceleration, or winding up when snowbashing makes me giggle with absolut=
e
glee and happiness.

=2E..the comfort, the ride, the air conditioning make me sigh and relax a=
nd
smile as I enjoy the drive to, on, and from the trail.

=2E..when I was shopping for 4x4s and I sat in an XJ I felt cramped and
claustrophobic, and when I sit in my FSJ I have so much room it's absurd.=


=2E..I feel no fear driving in rush-hour traffic or on the highway becaus=
e I
know I'm being protected by 5000 pounds of American Steel and I know that=
 my
crumple zone starts where the other car begins.

=2E..the off-road capability and durability of my FSJ leaves me feeling
perplexed and a little guilty as I watch other vehicles flounder or break=
 on
the trails I conquer easily.

=2E..the unique late '50's Willys styling is Classic Americana that will =
never
again be attained but hopefully will never be lost.

=2E..everyone else has an FJ40, CJ, TJ, Bronco with custom parts aboundin=
g.

=2E..for a station wagon it sure looks mean with a lift and bigger tires.=


=2E..I wanted to be different but getting a Scout was overkill. :)

=2E..If I had something with less "personality" I might actually have a f=
ree
weekend before Moab Easter Jeep Safari. :)

Michael

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:28:00 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: about that airpump bracket...

I found the bucket with the airpump in it... and a bracket.
I'm not entirely convinced at this point that it's the bracket
you need... here's the picture... you decide, we'll negotiate later... ;)
 
 http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/airpump-and-a-bracket.jpg

john
 

- -------------------------------------------------------------
 http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg
 SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000
        ...don't leave life without Jesus, please!
    Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:04:31 EDT
From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com
Subject: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ???

In a message dated 00-04-14 18:01:33 EDT, john <john-at-wagoneers.com> wrote:

> A caddy body on a wagoneer chassis... now there you go... ;)

Would that be a Wagillac, or a Cadoneer?!

++ Cornel Ormsby ++
not leaving Las Vegas

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:14:19 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: jeeps anonymous

   http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html

11 FSJ's
 5 xj's
 1 mj
 1 willys wagon
 1 jeepster

current fleet in sig file...

my name,
john
- -------------------------------------------------------------
 http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg
 SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000
        ...don't leave life without Jesus, please!
    Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold...
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:15:01 -0400
From: Richard Welty <rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com>
Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list

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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] RE: FSJ group history

A: I'm pretty sure Elmo is beyond the 200K mark, but not sure how far
since the DSPO drove 5 years w/o a speedo (he had the transfercase
swapped and the gear was put in wrong)

John M wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Mark Wallace wrote: 
How many members are there in the 200,000 mile club? How many miles on
Timex now? Is Timex back on the road again? The answer to the question
of 
just talked with dennis, timex has 225,000 miles... =A0 or was it
240,000? ;) 
superpup the little wagoneer just rolled to 200,000 miles, but he's an
88 xj wagoneer limited and doesn't count... ;) 
john 

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:56:30 -0600
From: "JC Jones" <jcjones-at-goldencomputerservice.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: FSJ group history

Well, I have 294K on my 76 Wagoneer.  Still running strong (and all those
poeple thought I was crazy for changing the oil every 6 weeks).  Original
engine, but I have been through 2 TH400's and 2 BW1339's in the last 100K
miles.

JC Jones  :)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wallace [mailto:redgator-at-bu.edu]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 3:58 PM
To: Dennis M. "Doc" Fariello
Cc: 'john'; 'Michael Baxter'; fsj-at-digest.net; 1FSJ-at-egroups.com;
kenns9-at-earthlink.net; 'Tacoma White'; 'Thomas Anhalt';
rstrouss-at-earthlink.net; 'm.l.'; aalto-at-u.washington.edu; 'Fitzgearld,
Fredric'; 'GH'; 'Greg Loxtercamp'; 'JBushnell'; 'JC Jones';
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Shepard'; moake.brian-at-conway.com; 'Brian Moran'; 'Chris Oswald'; 'Clark
Novak'; 'Wes Molsberry'; 'rasmussd'; fsj-list-at-rubicon.off-road.com
Subject: RE: FSJ group history



How many members are there in the 200,000 mile club? How many miles on
Timex now? Is Timex back on the road again? The answer to the question of
when I drove across the country (Boston MA, Portland Oregon, Seattle WA,
Los Alamos NM, and then the following summer Los Alamos NM, Nashville TN,
Washington DC, to Boston) that was four years ago this august, and a
little over 50,000 miles ago. I still faithfully keep track of every tank
of gas I buy (I take the train into the city a lot of the time because
it's cheaper and less exhausting). My Wagoneer is beyond ugly right now,
Roof, hood and right quarter are white primer (PPG K-36) and one of the
front fenders is black because I got it out of a yard. The rest is the
dark red I shot when I was 17. No Bumpers, No Roof rack either. I started
to work on it, but I just don't make any money restoring my own car. I
figure when I have my own shop I can tear it down to absolutely nothing
and start from the ground.

Going out to Motor City come the end of May. The owner of the restoration
shop I work at works out at DaimlerChrysler, and has been giving me
Detroit sales pitches for quite some time. The salt bothers me some, and
I've thought long and hard about what might be a good winter car, and the
conclusion I've come to is a restored Wagoneer. The only problems I have
with the humidity is that it clogs the sandblaster, and it slows down the
curing of my body filler.

I can find Henry's email...I went down to his house for the Daytona 500,
and went to one of the Loudon NH Winston Cup Races with him. He's doing a
big Wagoneer project too.

Anyway I gotta go drive my Wagoneer yet another 50 miles.

Later

Mark Wallace
81 wagoneer
Boston MA

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:09:02 -0400
From: Michael Baxter <MBaxter-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: FSJ group history

Mark Wallace <redgator-at-bu.edu> writes:

>> It's good to hear from a few old list members.

Wow, it's been a few years since I've been on the lists...But I sure
remember Driving across the country a few years ago in my 1981 Jeep
Wagoneer. I just thought I'd make a comment about the faithful, and findi=
ng
the Keeper Full Sized Jeep. This July I will have had my Wagoneer for nin=
e
years, and this January will mark eighteen years that my Wagoneer has bee=
n
in my family.
<<

See John...like I said. You're not committed enough :-).

Hey Mark, nice hearing from you and glad you're doing well. When you
get settled-down, come back for an extended stay if you can.


 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 14-Apr-2000

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:09:08 -0400
From: Michael Baxter <MBaxter-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: fsj: xj driveline in an FSJ???

john <john-at-wagoneers.com> writes:

>> Did you know that the U-joints used in Old Blue (an 81 SJ) are the
same exact parts used in my 88 XJ wagoneer?  :)
<<

That's just because Jeep quit using the good u-bolt style u-joints after
'79 or '80 :-).

>> Did you know that out of all the FSJ's I've had I've never heard of on=
e
of their trannies going over 200,000 miles without a rebuild.
<<

There are plenty of TH-400s which went 250,000 plus. I just don't own any=

so, I better shut-up. At least mine have never been rebuilt even if they
haven't made it over 200K.

>> Did you know that my xj weighs about 3,900lbs and tows as much as Old
Blue did, and that my 83 J10 only weighs 4,100lbs... of course Old Blue
weighed in around 5,200lbs, and most of my SJ's tipped the scales around
4,500 to 4,800.  ;)
<<

You load the family in the XJ and bring them down here next Summer and
I'll let you borrow my travel trailer. But don't worry, I'll follow along=

in the Chero. so I can take over pulling duties when you come to the 1st
long steep hill :-). I'd have owned an XJ a long time ago if one were
capable of pulling my trailer. =


And if you bring your own lighter trailer, I know a real good hill to tes=
t.
It starts at 7,000 ft. and peaks at 10,000 ft...in 11 miles :-).


 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 14-Apr-2000

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:09:06 -0400
From: Michael Baxter <MBaxter-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: fsj: radio waves]

Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com writes:

>> Doesn't that ground plane still reflect/block the transmission, =

similiar to when some high frequency devices are "wraped" with a ground
plane (usually looks like a tin box) to prevent emf emmissions from exiti=
ng
the device.  This is done for electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) reasons=
,
but aren't the concepts similiar? (blocking/reflecting emf radiation)
<<

A ground plane serves as a counter-poise for the antenna. In general, the=

more metal below a typical mobile CB antenna in any particular direction,=

the more RF energy will be radiated in that direction. Therefore, the
absolute best place you can put a CB antenna is right in the center of th=
e
vehicle. The position of least compromise.

>> Doesn't the FCC require a license for anything above a certain power
output or to legally use Ham frequencies? Then they have the different
levels of license for Ham Radio....................
<<

4 watts max. output for CB always and no license req'd. Max. output for
Hams varies by the band and license class. A license is always req'd. Max=
.
legal output is 1500 watts.

Today (4/15/2000) is the 1st day of the new license structure for Ham
radio. Now it is even easier to get your Ham license and there are no
longer 13 and 20 WPM morse code requirements for the higher classes. To g=
et
phone (voice) privileges on the HF bands below 10 meters (CB is 11 meters=
)
you only have to pass a 5 WPM code test. Otherwise, no code test req'd
which is the way it has been now for a number of years.


 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 14-Apr-2000

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:28:29 -0400
From: Michael Baxter <MBaxter-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: fsj: NOS Dana 20 output shaft on EBay

Looks like a '65 & up NOS output shaft for the Dana 20. Not sure if the
seller spec'd. front or rear:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D308458460


 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net
 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter
 From Reno, NV USA on 15-Apr-2000

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:56:01 -0600
From: "Kim Smith" <wmksmith-at-bigsky.net>
Subject: fsj: An FSJ Predicament???

> Two guys left the bar after a long night of drinking, jumped in the car
and
> started it up. After a couple of minutes, an old man appeared in the
> passenger window and
> tapped lightly.
>
> The passenger screamed, "Look at the window. There's an old ghost's face
> there!"
>
> The driver sped up, but the old man's face stayed in the window.
>
> The passenger rolled his window down part way and, scared out of his wits,
> said, "What do you want?"
>
> The old man softly replied, "You got any tobacco?"
>
> The passenger handed the old man a cigarette and yelled, "Step on it,"
> to the driver, rolling up the window in terror.
>
> A few minutes later they calmed down and started laughing again.
> The driver said, "I don't know what happened, but don't worry; the
> speedometer says we're doing 80 now."
>
> All of a sudden there was a light tapping on the window and
> the old man reappeared.
>
> "There he is again," the passenger yelled.
>
> He rolled down the window and shakily said, "Yes?"
>
> "Do you have a light?" the old man quietly asked.
>
> The passenger threw a lighter out the window saying, "Step on it!"
>
> They were driving about 100 miles an hour, trying to forget what they had
> just seen and heard, when all of a sudden there came some more tapping.
"Oh
> my God! He's back!"
>
> The passenger rolled down the window and screamed in stark terror, "WHAT
> NOW?"
>
> The old man gently replied, "You want some help getting out of the mud?"

kim
'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219

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