From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 2 11:17:52 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 834 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole - RUST? Re: fsj: Tailgate alignment Re: fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole - RUST? fsj: 4-bbl carb upgrade fsj: Minor tweaks and grease Re: fsj: thanks fsj: Nice Looking 83 J-10 Honcho on Ebay Re: xj: Re: fsj: thanks fsj: Re: Envemo_Camper FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:01:42 -0400 From: "William C.W. Lamb" Subject: fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole >If it looks like it fits I'm sure it's the right one underneath the cover. I >would definitely believe the corrosion problem on the wires and contacts. It >can sneak up over-night. I've seen it. Yeah but was it done right from the outset? >Then replace the sender it is the cheaper of the two possible parts. That's good enough for me. >That is the brass looking on the outside of the tailgate on the drivers >side. I think you might be thinking of a small roller contact switch. I >think there is one inside of the tailgate. That locks out the motor. It is >near the top. If I am remembering correctly that such a switch exists. It >is just a matter of tracking the four way connector from the motor. That's for the window safety. There's a switch yet for the wiper lockout if the window isn't up. >You really have to do the direct power hookup to the motor to get your >results. There are so many wires that go under the rig to the tailgate. The >access into the bottom of the tailgate can even fray these wires. Now about >your washer conclusion that is incorrect in this case. These are FSJ's >things do not work like normal cars. Your rear washer is controlled by the >timer circuit inside the wiper motor pancake housing. So if the motor >overloaded and damaged the timer board it may have killed your washer. OK. >> If it weren't physically broken, I would have done that already. > >Darned plastic plungers on those switches. Snapped right off. ___________________________________________________ Cheers- William "Chip" Lamb West of Sweden SAAB Charles City, VA. http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:08:05 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole - RUST? At 10:59 AM 5/1/00 -0400, William C.W. Lamb wrote: >>***Correct. Patience is important here. On many rigs you will find >>that the access cove has a ring of rust holding it to the floor. The >>attachment screws are small and usually there connection hole in the >>floor has rusted away. Or at least has enough rust on the screw that it rust? :) is that like the brownish stuff I saw on a recent trip to the cesspool of the USA, aka, Florida??? http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/florida-rust.jpg I scratched the side of one of my Jeeps three years ago coming down from Mt. Rainier (Evans Creek actually) and haven't done anything to it... can still see bare metal... maybe I should spray some paint on it one of these years... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Tailgate alignment A: Sounds like your Jeep's DSPO didn't lube the hinges and the pin is worn through or broken. Alan=A0Barkan wrote: Hi all, I've been a watcher for about 4 months. I'm located in Richmond, VA and although I've no basis for comparison, there seems to be a large number of GWs on the roads in the Richmond area. Purchased an 88 GW end of Jan, '00. Problem (immediate): tailgate is out of alignment so one side is too close to body and won't close. If, from the outside of wagon, I use a screw driver to pry up the outside edge of hinge on side out of wack, then gate closes. I've tried messing with bolts under plate on body side of tailgate, but I'm like a blind person trying to adjust the color on a television. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks, Alan Barkan alan-at-barkan.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:31:42 -0400 From: "William C.W. Lamb" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Into The Black Hole - RUST? Uh, that's it. I noticed yesterday that the seatrail frames had a nice coating of surface rust on 'em in my '90. Will have to pull 'em and clean 'em up some. Truck is still in very nice shape for having been a Pennsylvania/New York/Massachusetts resident. At least the rockers/floor/roof/et.c. are all clean on this black beast unlike the last two trucks. DSPO in his wisdom of replacing fuel tank sending unit removed tank and had to replace the tank plate! That's sure nice. >rust? :) > >is that like the brownish stuff I saw on a recent trip to the >cesspool of the USA, aka, Florida??? > http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/florida-rust.jpg > >I scratched the side of one of my Jeeps three years ago coming down >from Mt. Rainier (Evans Creek actually) and haven't done anything >to it... can still see bare metal... maybe I should spray some >paint on it one of these years... ;) > >john >------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ___________________________________________________ Cheers- William "Chip" Lamb West of Sweden SAAB Charles City, VA. http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:33:54 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: 4-bbl carb upgrade 
Thanks to a host of FSJ friends, my budget 4 barrel project has paid off.  I 
gambled on some used parts and my own ability to troubleshoot, but I turned 
the key and it started and ran.  Actually, I drove it to the parts store to 
return the 2 barrel to 4 barrel carb adapter


Ben -

can you take it step by step ?  I expect it's not the most complex thing in the world, but I'd be interested in what manifold you used, EGR connection, vacuum, carb tuning req'd, etc.  What gear ratio do you have ?  What are the pros/cons that drove you in this direction ?
Man, if anyone wanted to do a general fuel system upgrade options and alternatives discussion from stock to port fuel injection for the late V8, I'd be really interested.  I've seen Howell, and Holley mentioned for fuel injection.... what kind of cash are we talking about ?  Anything more on laptop tuning would be interesting too.

- Landon
lousy running '89 GW(exhaust leak and needs ignition upgrade)
Austin, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:40:14 -0500 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: Minor tweaks and grease Hi, was happy to spend Friday night from 11:00 pm 'til 2:00 am in the driveway under the GW adjusting the 2nd to 3rd gear band on the transmission and adjusting the clamp on the trans shift belcrank. Shifts are crisper and more timely as a result. How critical is the setting ? Does changing the band tightness result in different shift points ? It's raining today. Wife seemed happy that she could use 4WD if necessary. My cardan joint(coming off the front of the transfer case) doesn't have a hole in the middle with access to a 3rd (center) grease point. Am I overlooking something to find it ? I got the two zerks on the outside. - - Landon wet 89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: thanks A: Where are you? Do you want a good 727 or a running core? Lockup or non-lock? The '91 and newer AW4 has the same bolt up as the 727, but it's only 2.5" longer (hooking up the shift computer may take a bit though. I'm still looking for a stand alone harnes for mine. DizzyCow31-at-aol.com wrote: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0i was just looking up cj-5 parst as the mail came in . Btw dose any one have a four weel 727 tranny out of a 80-91 sj? if so ill gladly trade or buy(keep in mind i olny spent 300.00 on two postal jeeps). of course I'll the front axl from a cj and a dana 20 TC but the 727 will keep me from haveing to swap in a four speed manual(evan though ide rather have one anyway) =A0=A0thanks and again any help would be great chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:58:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Dillon Subject: fsj: Nice Looking 83 J-10 Honcho on Ebay Take a look at : "http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322088443&r=0&t=0" looks pretty sweet. If I was in the market (ie I didn't think my wife woud make me sleep in it if I brought it home) I would look hard at this one. If nothing else it will be interesting to see what it bids up to and what the reserve they put on it. Mike D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:00:10 EDT From: DizzyCow31-at-aol.com Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: thanks thanks for the info ive been shoping around a found a couple nice four speeds ,so ill probaly go with them.but that leaves me with massive extra parts. ive got two 2weel drive 727's flexplates and all that other cra- stuff . its up for grabs any takers? im in pittsburgh i will also list it on the postal page thanks for your help everyone ill check back . chris full size jeeper still in mourning ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:26:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Envemo_Camper thank you very much for the information, I will forward it to a couple of Jeep lists to share. If you could send the pictures and technical information to me at john-at-wagoneers.com and I will put them on my server. :) =20 I'll put the information in http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/BRASIL-Jeeps john meister snohomish, washington, USA At 03:59 AM 5/2/00 -0300, Mauricio Ricardo da Costa wrote:=20 >>>> Hi John!=20 I'm from Brazil (so, I have much problems writting in english, but I can undestand well).=20 Seeking for info about my car, I found the following message of your forum page in altavista.com and some itens are not correct. After the reply message, Ill write de correct technical data of this vehicles.=20 I'm owner of 2 Envemo - Camper, a '91 6 cilinder with 4wd and manual transmition and a '92 6 cilinder 2wd with automatic-4 (ZF) transmition.=20 If you need more info, photos or tech data, I'll be glad in send to you.=20 =20 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:40:45 -0700 (PDT)=20 From: "Paul W." =20 Subject: xj: Strange (foriegn) Jeeps=20 Andreas Ritterbusch wrote:=20 > There are more such licensing agreements. For example, there=20 > is/was one with an Brazilian company where the Cherokee is/was=20 > sold as Envemo Camper (not sure about correct spelling). As far=20 > as I remember, it comes with a alcohol powered engine (or reg.=20 > gas) in a two-door version with a different headlight/grille=20 > setup.=20 >=20 > Later,=20 The Brazilian "Cherokee" I saw a feature on in one of the 4x rags several years=20 ago was a XJ look-alike, but it's body was all fiberglass and it sat on a real=20 frame. Several powerplants were available from the fabricator (not really a= =20 manufacturer, as they were 'hand-built' not assembly line made). Some of= the=20 engines included a diesel (hey John!) and the 350 Chevy. This particular one,=20 as I recall, was built for extended forays into the Amazon and could ford deep=20 water and had a large fuel tank to last between the infrequent jungle refueling=20 points. I have the issue around somewhere, but haven't unpacked all my boxes of=20 magazines yet.=20 =20 The Envemo Camper (Envemo was the name of a small manufacturer, means "Engenharia de Veiculos Motores" =3D Motor Vehicles Engeneering, who mades also some porsche replicas) The chassis used on Camper was from a militar/civilian brasilian jeep "ENGESA-4", and is very resistant=20 The car body is fiberglass and had 2 versions of body: 2 and 4 doors. (The 4 doors is a copy of cherokee sport body)=20 The total weight was 1160 Kg., maybe the better caracteristic of performance is this good weigh x power relation!=20 The suspension is the same of Engesa4, with spring coils (I don't know if it is the correct name in english) on front and rear.=20 The front differential is manual lock and there is no reduction box, so the 1s gear is 6.22:1 ratio to produce the necessary power.=20 The engines available were:=20 GM 6 cilinder-line 4100 cc (similar US bel air '51, I think) powered by a double carburator and can generate 177 hp with 30 kgfm power in gasoline version and 186 hp w 32 kgfm in alcohol version (brasilian fuel)=20 GM 4 cilinder line 2500 cc (from de brasilian Opala, similar of Opel Record), has 90 hp only in alcohol version.=20 Perkins-diesel q20B, 4 cilinder, with 95hp without turbo or intercooler.=20 The v8 350 small block never exists on Camper! (but is a good idea!!)=20 The original fuel tank has 86 liters of capacity, with approaxing 500km autonomy (about 300 miles, I think)=20 This cars were made between '90 and '97 when Envemo closes.=20 All of Camper's had leather seats, ar conditioning, power steering, power windows and mirrors. In Brazil, cars with this features are not so easier to find.=20 When Envemo starts to produce the Camper, there is no possible to import cars here, and it costs about US$ 90.000!!! After brasilian goverment lets people buy imported cars, Envemo closes....=20 Here in Brazil, a '2000 Grand Cherokee Limited (from Australia) costs about US$ 100.000 with the import taxes.=20 Today, a Camper in good conditions costs about US$ 13.000. For this price, this is a good option to run in our bad roads!!!=20 Bye!=20 Mauricio Ricardo da Costa.=20 Santos - S=E3o Paulo - Brasil=20 =20 <<<< - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #834 *************************