From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 3 11:13:35 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 835 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Minor tweaks and grease fsj: Re: wagoneers of course fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? Re: fsj: Re: wagoneers of course Re: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? fsj: Have yerself a look at my new Jeep fsj: Re: Jeep J10 Truck bed Re: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? fsj: Re:4-bbl carb upgrade fsj: Grille au Hauger fsj: Re: time off fsj: Chip's New GW fsj: Parts store prices Re: fsj: Chip's New GW fsj: the links on Diesel SUV news... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:05:46 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Minor tweaks and grease "Landon Tesar" writes: >> My cardan joint(coming off the front of the transfer case) doesn't hav= e a hole in the middle with access to a 3rd (center) grease point. Am I overlooking something to find it ? I got the two zerks on the outside.= << Landon, It is often covered with caked grease and hard to find. Keep digging :-) Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 02-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:35:10 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wagoneers of course At 02:54 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Chris Kern wrote: >I don't know much about 4x4's but I had a question. My wife and I are looking at late -80's Grand Wag.'s because they are big, roomy, look pretty durable, I can fix stuff, etc. That and they aren't the dinks being made now, oh yeah, money too. Anyway, did Jeep make some of these with 6 cyls.? because I'm not sure we can afford to feed a 360 every day. If so are they even worth having? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. They did, but they aren't very common. The Cherokee's had more of them. I've also seen several J10's with them. I have an 83 J10 with the 258 as well, love it. :) My wife doesn't, so I'm half-heartedly on the prowl for a nice Cherokee or Wagoneer with the 258/AT with all the luxury stuff... not likely I'll find one though. :) Hey, you could always swap the 258 in... or better yet, drop in the 4.0L and get fuel injection... that's the next major move on my J10. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:38:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? http://www.off-road.com/toyota/trips/moab2000/2923.jpg - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: wagoneers of course A: My '83 Cherokee came with a 6 cyl, auto, AC, Cruise, ect. I took most of the "fancy" stuff out for manual except PS and auto. The AC will become on board air. My '84 J10 Laredo has PS and AT, and will soon have cruise (with the AW4). At 02:54 PM 5/2/00 -0700, Chris Kern wrote: I don't know much about 4x4's but I had a question. My wife and I are looking at late -80's Grand Wag.'s because they are big, roomy, look pretty durable, I can fix stuff, etc. That and they aren't the dinks being made now, oh yeah, money too. Anyway, did Jeep make some of these with 6 cyls.? because I'm not sure we can afford to feed a 360 every day. If so are they even worth having? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. They did, but they aren't very common. The Cherokee's had more of them. I've also seen several J10's with them. I have an 83 J10 with the 258 as well, love it. :) My wife doesn't, so I'm half-heartedly on the prowl for a nice Cherokee or Wagoneer with the 258/AT with all the luxury stuff... not likely I'll find one though. :) Hey, you could always swap the 258 in... or better yet, drop in the 4.0L and get fuel injection... that's the next major move on my J10. :) john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? A: I don't know. but it's a pre '80 Cherokee John wrote: http://www.off-road.com/toyota/trips/moab2000/2923.jpg - ------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:50:26 -0400 From: "William C.W. Lamb" Subject: fsj: Have yerself a look at my new Jeep http://www.wmsbrg.com/jeep/ ___________________________________________________ Cheers- William "Chip" Lamb West of Sweden SAAB Charles City, VA. http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Jeep J10 Truck bed On Tue, 2 May 2000, M & K wrote: >-->Hi, I found your site on the web and I am amazed that other people are interested in keeping the Jeep full sized animals alive. I have a 83 J10 truck that I have had for over 10 years and the thing runs very well. Unfortunately cancer has finally taken its toll on the rear bed and the truck will not pass MA state emissions. I am looking for an aftermarket manufacturer or a good parts yard that might have a J10 bed? Any info you could give would be helpful. Thanks in advance for your time. >--> >-->For the record I also own a 75 MB 240D which rides much better than my J10! Perhaps you need to get some Bilsteins under your MB. >--> >-->Cheers >-->Mark sorry to hear about the cancer on your J10... Is it a stepside? Olympic 4x4 here in Snohomish might have some parts for you. You could always make a flatbed. :) Emissions aren't a big deal... nothing a little bit of engine/carb work can't solve. :) I sold my 81 300D. It was a nice ride, but I like my J10 better. :) I may pick up another benz before too long... Hard to stay away from FSJ's and Mercedes. :) john ====================================================================================== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. 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Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:26:01 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: Re: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? And I'll bet the driver's side is not as straight now as the passengers side appears to be! :-( kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blair" To: "john" ; Sent: Tuesday, 02 May, 2000 16:46 Subject: Re: fsj: whose FSJ tipped over??? > A: I don't know. but it's a pre '80 Cherokee > > John wrote: > http://www.off-road.com/toyota/trips/moab2000/2923.jpg > ------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on > allexperts.com Pics: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:45:06 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re:4-bbl carb upgrade > Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:33:54 -0500 > From: "Landon Tesar" > > Ben - > can you take it step by step ? I expect it's not the most complexthing in > the world, but I'd be interested in what manifold you used, EGRconnection, > vacuum, carb tuning req'd, etc. What gear ratio do youhave ? What are the > pros/cons that drove you in this direction ? Wow, it's not often somebody asks a windbag for details. I'll try to be brief. I chose this route for financial reasons and for the principle of the thing. I knew that there was no way I could spend money on a new Edelbrock carb/manifold when I could get a top notch 2 barrel for so much less. I knew that in principle a 4 barrel is a better all around carb, and that Edelbrock compromises some of the things that (in my opinion) make a 4 barrel worthwhile. I believe the beauty of a 4v is tiny little primaries for economy and huge secondaries when you want power. That I know of, the 4350 and the Q-jet are the only 2 reasonable choices on a FSJ and the Q-jet installation was too complex for my simple mechanical skills, limited time, and a need to keep my daily driver on duty. I figured if the 4350 was on everybody's "most unwanted" list (which it seems to be) then maybe I could get one for cheap. I was right. I also liked the simplicity of bolting on basically stock parts. I was patient and waited almost 2 years before I found a barely used Holley remanufactured one for $75 from a fairly reliable source. Basically, the 4350 is so odd that you pretty much have to use a stock manifold with it and the stock manifold isn't all that great for other carb designs - so I'm told. It seems to be kind of an "all or nothing" sort of thing. I used a stock AMC 360 manifold off a '74 Javelin. It's heavy, but I paid maybe $50 for it (at least a year ago) and I'm told it's a pretty decent manifold for street use. Most of the stock '71 emissions stuff is gone from my rig anyway so that wasn't a big deal. I used the EGR but ran no vacum to it. I'll put a block off plate on it when I get it painted. The carb was originally purchased for a '78 Wag w/360. I had to remove it from the rig when I bought it, so I was able to label ports as I went. Fuel and PCV were obvious. There was a port for the distributor and a couple more that were plugged that I don't know what they're for. I should have gotten the throttle cable bracket, but it looked like the one on my 2100 and seemed like too much trouble to remove at the time. The 2100 bracket bolted up fine but was 1/2" short of the mark and off to the side a bit. I made an adapter plate and used the one from my 2100 without too much trouble. So far I haven't tuned it. I just bolted it on. I picked up a rebuild kit today and hope to get it done this weekend. That was an interesting purchase, but I'll put that in another post. Currently I have 3.31 gears, but plan to go to 3.07s when I swap my Dana 30 front axle for a Dana 44 - hopefully this summer. > Man, if anyone wanted to do a general fuel system upgrade options > andalternatives discussion from stock to port fuel injection for the lateV8, > I'd be really interested. I've seen Howell, and Holley mentionedfor fuel > injection.... what kind of cash are we talking about ? Anythingmore on > laptop tuning would be interesting too. Seems like these kind of topics never stay dead for long. I learned more by reading other people's conversations than I did by asking questions. Mostly because I was too ignorant to know what the questions were. When I started this quest I didn't know a square-bore from a spread-bore and sometimes I'm still not sure. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:01:07 -0400 From: "William C.W. Lamb" Subject: fsj: Grille au Hauger I've been looking at Jon Hauger's 88 GW on the web and would really like to get my hands on one of those '83 Cherokee grilles he's got. Anyone? Will happily trade a late GW grille... ___________________________________________________ Cheers- William "Chip" Lamb West of Sweden SAAB Charles City, VA. http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: time off Looks like I'm stuck at home a couple days before I can go see my son (Doc's tests and all) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:30:06 -0700 From: Ed Pedersen Subject: fsj: Chip's New GW Chip, Looks Awesome !! Mint condition even !!! I'm definitely jealous, you lucky bug***..oooopppsss I bumped into an older couple the other day in a parking lot, they were driving a 91 white GW Woody in almost mint condition, approx 136,000 miles on the 360, outside there was no rust, no scratches, they didn't tow with it, had had it since new and had babied it all these years. They were just thinking of selling it, or to trade it in on an Excursion..standing there in the parking lot my mind was racing crunching numbers and figuring out loan payments. Finally had to let my shoulders slump and said goodbye to them.. too many bills, so little money.. :(( I've decided the next FSJ I buy will be a 90 or 91 GW, something in good condition that I'll use for a daily driver. I've come to like the TJ so much as an Off-road driver, both for it's short wheel base, and the fact that it's such a new vehicle.. (turn the key, EFI fires right up, off-camber hills no problem, newer vehicle starts every time...)that in a few years when it's aged a bit, I'll put a mild lift kit in it, tinker with the suspension, 33" tires and a rear locker of some sort, plus a winch, and that will be my future 4X4 to play in...but I still GOTTA have my FSJ !!!! Ed Pedersen Vancouver Canada ICQ 23536957 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:23:15 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Parts store prices Friday I went to Napa to get a rebuild kit for my 4350 carb. It was out of stock but I was quoted $29. Today I went back to order one but didn't have to 'cause it was in stock. The guy started talking about stuff I didn't understand and then said "I'll give you the discount anyway". I said "thanks" and went to the cashier. She charged me $18. When I got to the car and looked at the reciept it was made out to some local equipment company. Obviously the guy mistook me for someone else. I didn't realize there was that much markup on parts. If it weren't for the discount, I'd be insulted. I deal with this guy pretty often and thought he knew me. I'm not complaining, but it was pretty weird. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:57:17 -0400 From: "William C.W. Lamb" Subject: Re: fsj: Chip's New GW It's far from mint. But it sure is much more of a looker than the last one. >Looks Awesome !! Mint condition even !!! >I'm definitely jealous, you lucky bug***..oooopppsss > >I bumped into an older couple the other day in a parking lot, >they were driving a 91 white GW Woody in almost mint condition, >approx 136,000 miles on the 360, outside there was no rust, no scratches, >they didn't tow with it, had had it since new and had babied it >all these years. They were just thinking of selling it, or >to trade it in on an Excursion..standing there in the parking lot >my mind was racing crunching numbers and figuring out loan payments. >Finally had to let my shoulders slump and said goodbye to them.. >too many bills, so little money.. :(( > >I've decided the next FSJ I buy will be a 90 or 91 GW, something in >good condition that I'll use for a daily driver. > > > >I've come to like the TJ so much as an Off-road driver, both for >it's short wheel base, and the fact that it's such a new vehicle.. >(turn the key, EFI fires right up, off-camber hills no problem, >newer vehicle starts every time...)that in a few years when it's >aged a bit, I'll put a mild lift kit in it, tinker with the suspension, >33" tires and a rear locker of some sort, plus a winch, and that will >be my future 4X4 to play in...but I still GOTTA have my FSJ !!!! >Ed Pedersen >Vancouver Canada >ICQ 23536957 > > > > ___________________________________________________ Cheers- William "Chip" Lamb West of Sweden SAAB Charles City, VA. http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/ ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:14:06 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the links on Diesel SUV news... Paul, et.al., found this in the Diesel Benz digest http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/digests/diesel-benz-v1-312.txt Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:49:06 -0700 Subject: diesels in the news... http://www.detroitdiesel.com/markets/mktauto.htm http://www.detroitdiesel.com/markets/automotive/adelta1.htm http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000111/mi_detroit_1.html http://www.theautochannel.com/news/press/date/20000111/press005701.html john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/JEEPS/jeep-family-March-2000-1.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #835 *************************