From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 7 13:57:31 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, May 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 840 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: track bars and FSJs Re: fsj: major amperage... Re: fsj: major amperage... fsj: color thread... again... fsj: Re: color thread... again... fsj: Turbo setup for a Wag? Re: fsj: Re: color thread... again... fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) Re: fsj: major amperage... Re: fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) Re: fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:29:14 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: track bars and FSJs I've never had track bars on my FSJs. On my xj's but not my FSJ's. It's something that happened only on the late model SJ's... I've seen 'em before... I would think that you could could remove them and not have problems. I don't know why yours keeps tearing off the frame. I had problems with pre-86 XJ's wearing them out, but from 86 and up they reinforced the frames, uni-frames that is... my 88 xj wagoneer limited has over 200,000 miles on it and I've only replaced the track bar twice, I think... On an XJ the track bar wears out and induces a phenomenon referred to among XJ folks as the "wobble-of-death", or the death-wobble... first time it happened to me it scared the tinkle out of me... I was doing 65mph on I-5, hit an expansion joint and thought I'd lost a steering arm!!!! or tierods or something.... I pictured my two front tires were going pigeon toed and then pointing out again... I was on the brakes and shoulder as fast as I could... Anyway, I digress... on the late model gw's I think they used the track bars mainly in the rear to improve ride and handling... what they do though is affect articulation and make noise. :) You know, thinking about it, maybe you should check the pin holding your right front spring pack in place to see if the leafs have shifted at all... are the clamps ok? Or, it just could be that putting track bars, aka, panhard bars, on an FSJ is just not a good idea. Michael Baxter and I talked about this a couple years back... hopefully he'll remember what he said and respond... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 01:36:01 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: major amperage... Cool! thanks!.. I'll see about mine to.. What do you think? R.J. john wrote: > At 05:04 PM 5/6/00 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: > >But wouldn't you need more copper and a bigger housing, to take a 43 to a > 100+ amp? > >>R.J. > > What the guy does is pull the guts out of the existing housing > and puts new windings and internals from a newer GM style alternator, > or aftermarket parts. JC Whitney sells kits to upgrade alternators > using similar parts. > > So, yes, you'd need more copper, but not more housing. Ever notice > that the newer alternators are smaller yet put out a LOT more power? > > Take a look under the hood of a late 80's GM car and you're looking > at an alternator that is about 3/5th's the size of an FSJ alternator, > but it's 90 to 105A... :) > > My xj has a smaller alternator, and it's at least a 90amp... maybe > more I can't remember right now... > > So, by using my stock alternator and just having the guts replaced > I don't have to mess around with wiring or bracketry. :) > > Usually the guy here charges less than $100 to upgrade the alternator. > FWIW, ask for Pat at Lake Serene Auto Electric in Lynnwood, WA, right > on 99. However, anyone anywhere can do the upgrade... all they > need to do is work on alternators. :) > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... > ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:55:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: major amperage... At 01:36 AM 5/7/00 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: >Cool! thanks!.. > >I'll see about mine to.. >What do you think? >R.J. I'm pretty sure yours is around a 78A or so... I paid to upgrade it from the standard to the NASCAR one, it was at Al's, but Schucks bought Al's out and they're coast to coast I'm pretty sure... Checker Automotive, Krager and so on... I'm pretty sure it's a lifetime warranty... Those 4.09 gears in that Honcho does NOT help the alternator life expectancy at all... that rascal ate two alternators on me coming up from the Bay area. :) That's why I paid to upgrade the last alternator... (the PO had put in a new alternator before I got it, but it wasn't quite right... it blew by Mt. Shasta and I limped it to Medford where Wes gave me an old alternator... that one made it to just north of Portland... and I drove home on battery power at night about 200 miles... :) That alternator had fragged inside... bad bearings. SO I took the original alternator, the "new" one, back to Al's and paid another $50 to upgrade it to their top of the line unit... So don't even think about chucking that alternator!!! It is a lifetime warranty and since I bought it through my business the warranty is transferable directly to you. :) Not to mention that Al's warranty was for the life of the car, not the just for as long as you owned your rig... Superdawg's alternator is doing fine, so I'll probably dig through my core pile and have a custom one built separate, wait until I drop in the 4.0L, or put smaller bulbs in my IPF driving lights and forget the upgrade... rofl... I've got another set of driving lights on the little wagoneer, a set of IPF 630s that I put 100W bulbs in so they have some output... (the stock 55 or 85w bulbs weren't enough...) So what I'll do is rewire the J01's on the little wagoneer and move the 630's to Superdawg's roll bar and take the 85w's out of the J01's driving lights, install a low watt bulb and use it for a running light, then take the 85W and try them in the 800's. If they aren't enough then I'll try the 100's from the 630's... if that's not enough, then I'll leave the 130watt bulbs in the 800's, put the 85's in the 630's and put the 100watt bulbs on the shelf... or should I put them in the J01's... you know, this sounds like a good exercise program... especially if I park Superdawg in the carport and superpup over in the driveway... I'll start walking toward one with bulbs in hand, then remember something on the other one... I'll be walking back and forth a number of times till I get it figured out... ;) Anyway... what started all this anyway? Oh, yeah... alternator upgrades because of light upgrades... rofl... it's like getting bigger tires... then you need a lift, then new shocks, then... ;) I think I'll skip the alternator upgrade and either leave the IPF 800's turned off, or put in smaller bulbs... ;) BTW, I really recommend the IPF/ARB H4 Wiring Loom setup for everyone with an older FSJ. Superdawg's dimmer switch was pretty close to the flashpoint/meltdown point before I figured out where that burning smell was coming from. I've lost two headlight switches before too... corrosion and aging wires on our beloved FSJ's are a bonfire just waiting to happen... I couldn't even use my high beams on Superdawg... the lights would not come on... I found some really nasty problems under the carpet by the dimmer switch and had to rewire it... I'm working on an article on the H4 loom... I think the next issue of FSJ magazine will have the other article on wiring I did... if Mike could get it trimmed down to fit... rofl... I didn't realize that it printed out to 9 pages!!! Yikes. there's two variations of it: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/billy-bob-wire-101.html and http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/wiring-101.html later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 00:23:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: color thread... again... I know we covered this before... but does anyone remember what color I finally decided to paint Superdawg? rofl... I chose one, then got sticker shock and decided not to paint him... well, I'm tired of my wife saying how much she hates riding in him, and as best we can figure it's the color... so... any suggestions on a light color that'll look good? :) http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-side.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/ http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/j10-23jan2000.jpg I've been leaning toward the color of my xj wagoneer: http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/.images/xjsunset.jpg (hard to see in the light, but it's light ivory creme...) There are some very nice Mercedes Benz colors, and some late model GW and even some Grand Cherokee colors that might look good on Superdawg. I'm leaning toward a lighter color, but NOT white, so it hides the imperfections in the body, will hide dirt and any future scratches. :) I've found that the color of the light yellow used on my 68 Mustang, and the light ivory creme of my 88 xj wagoneer ltd work nicely... easy to keep clean, hide the flaws, and even looks like different colors in different light... Anyway, a dark cherry red, or black would look really nice, if I could afford to have the body perfected... and then keep it clean... besides the fact that dark colors show dust, they get hot in sunlight... yeah, I know, it rains 9 months of the year here, but when the sun does come out it does get pretty warm... why it hit 68 degrees today... ;) I'm not interested in White, Gray, Tan or colors with green in them... (8 years in the army mind ya...;) A taupe/fawn/brown/beige range is what I'm after, but it has to match the leather interior and the existing paint color: Copper Brown Metallic, otherwise I'll have to repaint parts of the interior too!!! thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:01:30 -0400 From: "Ray Drouillard" Subject: fsj: Re: color thread... again... I think you had decided on Rustoleum rattlecan fire engine red... or was it? I remember now! It was "What ever my hunny wants" Ray - ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: fsj: color thread... again... > I know we covered this before... but does anyone remember > what color I finally decided to paint Superdawg? rofl... > > I chose one, then got sticker shock and decided not to paint him... > well, I'm tired of my wife saying how much she hates riding in > him, and as best we can figure it's the color... so... > > any suggestions on a light color that'll look good? :) > http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-side.jpg > http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-.jpg > http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/ > http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/j10-23jan2000.jpg > > I've been leaning toward the color of my xj wagoneer: > http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/.images/xjsunset.jpg > (hard to see in the light, but it's light ivory creme...) > > There are some very nice Mercedes Benz colors, and some late > model GW and even some Grand Cherokee colors that might look > good on Superdawg. I'm leaning toward a lighter color, but > NOT white, so it hides the imperfections in the body, will hide > dirt and any future scratches. :) I've found that the color > of the light yellow used on my 68 Mustang, and the light ivory > creme of my 88 xj wagoneer ltd work nicely... easy to keep clean, > hide the flaws, and even looks like different colors in different > light... > > Anyway, a dark cherry red, or black would look really nice, if > I could afford to have the body perfected... and then keep it > clean... besides the fact that dark colors show dust, they get > hot in sunlight... yeah, I know, it rains 9 months of the year > here, but when the sun does come out it does get pretty warm... > why it hit 68 degrees today... ;) > > I'm not interested in White, Gray, Tan or colors with green in > them... (8 years in the army mind ya...;) A taupe/fawn/brown/beige > range is what I'm after, but it has to match the leather interior > and the existing paint color: Copper Brown Metallic, otherwise > I'll have to repaint parts of the interior too!!! > > thanx, > john > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... > ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:45:05 -0700 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: Turbo setup for a Wag? This guys is selling a Rotomaster turbocharger setup that he took off a 360 out of a GW! Check it out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=323086241& r=0&t=0 Clark Novak 87GW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: color thread... again... A: I noticed she liked Blackie. (She seems to have such good taste these days!) How about the pale Yellow? Oh what was that color called again?.....Um, oh, yeah! Honeydew! (As in Honey do you like this color? ROFLMFAO!) Ray=A0Drouillard wrote: I think you had decided on Rustoleum rattlecan fire engine red... or was it? I remember now! It was "What ever my hunny wants" Ray - ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: fsj: color thread... again... I know we covered this before... but does anyone remember what color I finally decided to paint Superdawg? rofl... I chose one, then got sticker shock and decided not to paint him... well, I'm tired of my wife saying how much she hates riding in him, and as best we can figure it's the color... so... any suggestions on a light color that'll look good? :) http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-side.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/00may5-superdawg-.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/ http://www.wagoneers.com/83stepside/j10-23jan2000.jpg I've been leaning toward the color of my xj wagoneer: http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/.images/xjsunset.jpg =A0=A0=A0=A0(hard to see in the light, but it's light ivory creme...) There are some very nice Mercedes Benz colors, and some late model GW and even some Grand Cherokee colors that might look good on Superdawg. =A0 I'm leaning toward a lighter color, but NOT white, so it hides the imperfections in the body, will hide dirt and any future scratches. :) =A0 I've found that the color of the light yellow used on my 68 Mustang, and the light ivory creme of my 88 xj wagoneer ltd work nicely... easy to keep clean, hide the flaws, and even looks like different colors in different light... Anyway, a dark cherry red, or black would look really nice, if I could afford to have the body perfected... and then keep it clean... besides the fact that dark colors show dust, they get hot in sunlight... yeah, I know, it rains 9 months of the year here, but when the sun does come out it does get pretty warm... why it hit 68 degrees today... ;) I'm not interested in White, Gray, Tan or colors with green in them... (8 years in the army mind ya...;) A taupe/fawn/brown/beige range is what I'm after, but it has to match the leather interior and the existing paint color: Copper Brown Metallic, otherwise I'll have to repaint parts of the interior too!!! thanx, john - ---------------------------------------------- =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.WAGONEERS.com/j= ohnsjeeps.jpg =A0=A0=A0=A0SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0---------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) I'm beginning to feel like Fred McMurray again! I've spent more time with my kids this last week than the last 6 months! I went in and saw my #3 son on thursday and he was doing pretty good (They had some machine that shut the nerves off in his arm, and hyped him on Morphine) I found a decent block just before visiting hours when I went in to visit Chris (17) son friday. (In spite of the family problems and all, my stroker=AE is still coming together piece by piece. I found solace in losing myself in the moment of searching through the junkyards for parts last weekend) BTW, Chris says thanks for the support. He's been kind of depressed (he loved playing guitar and I have yet to introduce him to my friend Kenny a nearly one handed guitar player), and they have fixed him up as well as can be expected. His index finger (the one you point with) came off mid first knuckle, and his middle finger was shredded that far down too, so they grafted the 1/2 finger on the middle one, w/o a knuckle so he won't be able to bend it, and pulled the skin up on his thumb to cover the bone. I'm taking off to visit Chris in a couple hours, and help my #2 son Bill with court tomorrow AM (he came down to help me this week since he's on vacation from roofing and I'm laid up with tennis elbow, but plans changed of course when his brother was hurt!). They are charging him with driving w/o a license and contravening the restrictions of his license, (of which it has to be one or the other not both and he's 21 with a learner's permit. I was pissed to find out the Blair witch spent the money for their driver's ED on booze!) plus no insurance, when the insurance company card was given, AND they paid for the bangup, (although the other driver caused it) and filed a phony personal injury claim for himself and his kids, which was thrown out after the insurance agent phoned for the interview and the kids said Daddy was at work and every one of them said they were fine. I helped my #1 son Scott on friday night (10 PM til 1 AM) move his girlfriend's mom in with them (a little early for Mother-in-law learning, but it was started by the time I got there! I've been very lucky in that department. My ex's mom loved me, hated her daughter, and my present wife's mom passed away 25 years ago last Christmas). I dragged my butt home to Seattle at 4 AM and got up yesterday to clean out 1/3 of the garage (It's coming down to the last of it finally! I'll be able to get Elmo in there for the frame swap/ axle swap/ 2"body/ 3"spring lift and stroker/ AW4/ NP208/ 33" tires and a partridge in a pear tree! I think I found a Jeep in dash CD player that will work w/o butchering the face plate too! First though, another trip to BC. (Blackie isn't going though. Too loaded down with extraneous stuff from the garage) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: major amperage... A: I got mine for $40 worth of parts. 200 amp, chrome case and all I have to do is put a serp belt pulley on it, because it will be on Elmo's stroker motor! John wrote: At 05:04 PM 5/6/00 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: But wouldn't you need more copper and a bigger housing, to take a 43 to a 100+ amp? R.J. What the guy does is pull the guts out of the existing housing and puts new windings and internals from a newer GM style alternator, or aftermarket parts. JC Whitney sells kits to upgrade alternators using similar parts. So, yes, you'd need more copper, but not more housing. Ever notice that the newer alternators are smaller yet put out a LOT more power? Take a look under the hood of a late 80's GM car and you're looking at an alternator that is about 3/5th's the size of an FSJ alternator, but it's 90 to 105A... :) My xj has a smaller alternator, and it's at least a 90amp... maybe more I can't remember right now... So, by using my stock alternator and just having the guts replaced I don't have to mess around with wiring or bracketry. :) Usually the guy here charges less than $100 to upgrade the alternator. FWIW, ask for Pat at Lake Serene Auto Electric in Lynnwood, WA, right on 99. However, anyone anywhere can do the upgrade... all they need to do is work on alternators. :) john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 12:44:39 -0700 From: Eric Faust Subject: Re: fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) Wow James! When it rains, it pours. Hope life gets a little easier for you and you boys! Your drive train plans sound interesting. Is the AW4 beefy enough for an FSJ? I guess with a six banger and no rock crawling, it will be plenty strong, what do you think? It should get pretty good mileage for an FSJ. Good luck! Eric Faust 89 Grand Waggy http://members.home.net/ericf1/html/jeep.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: My 3 Sons (graphic descriptions) A: No rock crawling at present, but the XJ guys are running theirs pretty hard and I haven't heard of any breakages in the '91 or newer AW4s yet. Blackie is going to be my daily driver (with an average 1000 miles a week I need gas mileage!) My stroker will be a real torque monster (much more twist output than stock 360 by conservative estimates!) Running LPG at $.79 a gallon will help too! Eric=A0Faust wrote: Wow James! When it rains, it pours. Hope life gets a little easier for you and you boys! Your drive train plans sound interesting. Is the AW4 beefy enough for an FSJ? I guess with a six banger and no rock crawling, it will be plenty strong, what do you think? It should get pretty good mileage for an FSJ. Good luck! Eric Faust 89 Grand Waggy http://members.home.net/ericf1/html/jeep.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #840 *************************