From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 9 13:33:47 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 843 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. fsj: msg to the jeep nut: vacuum and juice fsj: My life in Hell Re: fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... Re: fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer fsj: air compressor - thanks Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... fsj: backup lights info fsj: an idea... fsj: Re: msg to the jeep nut: vacuum and juice Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... Re: [fsj: color thread... again...] Re: fsj: an idea... Re: [fsj: track bars and FSJs] FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:37:39 -0700 From: "Fitzgearld, Fredric" Subject: RE: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. Sadly, in my case it was not the bolts that were loose. It was in fact the seat for the pivot pin that had ovaled. I was going to try and drill it out and press another piece in but I wound up taking the columns I have and making one really good one. This is one instance where it was not the bolts that were loose. This was truly worthy of SUPERWRENCH!!!!! FEF > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Loxtercamp [SMTP:greglox-at-yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:08 PM > To: Dan Caruthers; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. > > No, it's perfect because it doesn't wobble > anymore...after tightening the torx bolts w/i the > column. > > G ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: msg to the jeep nut: vacuum and juice hey jeepnut, aka steve, sounds like a vacuum leak. also those alternator kits in JC whitney would be ok. (I'm in the digest mode and enjoying the reduction in email... I'm on many lists... fsj, xj, diesel-benz, internetweek, sysadmin, and others that I can't remember... I was averaging about 250 emails a day btwn three, no, four email accounts on three, no, four computers... it was getting out of hand. :) Not to mention normal sysadmin mail from cron jobs and such... anyways... that's why I'm a little behind the events... ;) To fix the vacuum leak just replace EVERY vacuum line under the hood, tighten all the intake manifold bolts, and the carb base... while you're at it, tighten the exhaust bolts too. you won't be sorry. I used to do it about once a year with Old Blue... With Superdawg the days of keeping a 360 from leaking fluids and vacuum are over. ;) Long live the straight 6! I doubt it's your throttle solenoid, it only activates when you turn on the a/c. Cold idle speed is controlled by the choke and kicks off of fast idle pretty soon after starting. ON the alternator, don't worry about adding capacity, but be aware that those kits will not help low rpm output so if you place a heavy load on them you'll be on battery... My guess is that kit will start working well over 1,500 rpm. Still not a bad deal though. Either way, you should fix your electrical system to make sure wires are tied up and clear of sharp edges and hot things... then crank up the juice... without fear. BTW, I've been dealing with JC whitney since about '72. :) I used to study the catalog in Study Hall... and dream... I'd make lists of things I wanted for my car... total 'em up and then put the catalog away. :) When I was stationed over in Germany JC Whitney was one of my major suppliers. You just have to be careful with what you buy, they're better now than they were 15 years ago. Read the ads carefully, if it's too good to be true... ;) Feel free to ask the list before ordering. I've most recently bought the heat reflective sound proofing material and adhesive, a high lift jack mount and lock setup, and a bumper attachment for the high lift from Whitney for Superdawg... something else too... can't remember what right now. But they're fine... :) Oh, yeah, I also bought a sunroof deflector from them for my Mercedes Benz. I also bought my High Flow Catalytic Converter from them, it was the same one I got from Summit or Jegs. They also have the same Lisle tools you can buy at NAPA. The shipping and handling charges are a mild ripoff... But I feel like I got back at 'em when they had the sale on Class III hitches. rofl... I've bought sunroofs from them too... back in '77. I've ordered cheap stuff that was junk, but I got what I paid for. :) I have had to return a few things and they were good about refund or returns. You can now order on line, which is what I did the last time... I hate making long distance phone calls... (they didn't have a toll free number...) Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: My life in Hell It appears that things have decided to get worse. My son is doing okay, but the rest of my life has fallen apart. I probably won't even be online much anymore or for very long looks like I may even move back to Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q A: I have a 200 amp alt that I was going to put in Elmo. I was planning a wire bypass of course. Not sure what I'm doing with the rest of my life now. jeepnut wrote: Wow Mr. Colucci, what a timely post. I was literally just looking at the Whitney catalog sittin' in the, uh, ah, l i b r a r y, and considering one of those do-it-yourself alternator upgrades. =A0 And as I was, I began to ask myself why in the world I would think of ordering one of these kits as literally nothing else I have ever bought from them was of any real quality.... And that now brings me to a new post.... =A0 Steve Lett aka JeepNut "B. COLUCCI" wrote: Greetings To The FSJ World! Everybody is talking raising those AMPS; well you have failed to consider one important point. The wiring that your FSJ came with from the factory... - -- - ---------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... A: The NP229 came behind the 998 with the 4 banger and V6 lump. AW4 didn't happen til '86 with the 4.0L and the 4 cyl got a whimpier version, with a changed bolt pattern (Or so I heard). Only the '80 NP219 and NP119 came with a 21 spline that I have seen so far. BTW John, I found a NP219 for $200 CDN + tax while junk yarding last week. paul=A0stelzig wrote: I just pulled a np229 out of a '85 little wagoneer in a junk yard I think it had a AW4 but I don't realy know xj's very well. Ray Drouillard wrote: so, yes, an AW will hold up just fine in an FSJ. Will it mate to my NP229? I'm assuming that it will bold to the 360 with little trouble. Ray ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 02:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... A: '91 or newer will bolt up because it's 23 spline. The computer that controls the shift is the fun part to hook up! John wrote: so, yes, an AW will hold up just fine in an FSJ. Will it mate to my NP229? I'm assuming that it will bold to the 360 with little trouble. Ray ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:05:18 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer jeepnut said: {- Sitting at a light, once in a while, or sometimes while slowing as {- you pull up to a light, the truck dies. Only happened very {- occaisionally, but is getting more frequent. To the point that it is {- happening nearly every day, driving in, but usually not driving home for {- whatever reason. [...] {- And to go along with this, when it's raining, lights on, wipers on, {- radio, fan on high to defrost, etc. and you pull up to a light even {- without the above mentioned anomoly going on, the ammeter loads way {- down, lights dim, fan slows, ... what causes this? This may not be it, but if it happens more when it's humid out, it could be the classic ignition module -- about a $15 instant fix. They tend to go out in the FSJs after about twelve years -- which means I better get my spare; my current one is due any day... Anyway, these start out gradually, then get worse, to the point where it dies driving through fog or whatever, and they become difficult to restart in humid weather. Along the same lines, it could be a cracked distributor cap; this is also about a $5-10 instant fix. You may be able to check that by getting a plastic spray bottle ("spritzer") with water, running the vehicle (in 'park', of course), and spraying water on the distributor cap. If it dies when you do that, you win. Yet another possibility could be a bad carb... I don't know if they get worse with age, but I can't imagine them getting better on their own. I know my FSJ has had a dead spot in the accelerator since I got it, and it seems to be worse in cold or humid weather -- which is most of the year in Iowa (cold half the year, humid the other half). I'm not disputing other suggestions; I'm just mentioning more posisbilities. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Trying" is the first step toward failure. -- Homer Simpson - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:44:23 -0400 From: Toboggan Hill Farm Subject: fsj: air compressor - thanks Thanks for all the advice concerning buying an air compressor. I now have a pretty good idea of what to look for. - -Brett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 100 08:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. Cool! - -brad Fred writes: > Sadly, in my case it was not the bolts that were loose. It was in fact the > seat for the pivot pin that had ovaled. I was going to try and drill it out > and press another piece in but I wound up taking the columns I have and > making one really good one. > > This is one instance where it was not the bolts that were loose. This was > truly worthy of SUPERWRENCH!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:04:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... At 02:22 AM 5/9/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: >A: The NP229 came behind the 998 with the 4 banger and V6 lump. AW4 >didn't happen til '86 with the 4.0L and the 4 cyl got a whimpier >version, with a changed bolt pattern (Or so I heard). Only the '80 NP219 >and NP119 came with a 21 spline that I have seen so far. BTW John, I >found a NP219 for $200 CDN + tax while junk yarding last week. my Jeep factory service manual only listed the three trannies I cited before... 904, 999 and the 727. As far as I know the 727 did NOT find it's way into an XJ. They were only used in the SJ models. They may have done something different in Canada... ymmv. ;) what kind of shape was the 219 in? how much is that US? When are you going back? ;) Do they have any 242's? john > >paul=A0stelzig wrote: >I just pulled a np229 out of a '85 little wagoneer in a junk yard I >think it had a AW4 but I don't realy know xj's very well.=20 >Ray Drouillard wrote:=20 >so, yes, an AW will hold up just fine in an FSJ.=20 >Will it mate to my NP229? I'm assuming that it will bold to the 360 with >little trouble.=20 >Ray=20 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on >allexperts.com Pics:=20 >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse=20 >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments...=20 ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:00:19 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: backup lights info >------------------------------ >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 09:09:48 -0500 >From: "Fang, Dora (DT-CHI)" >Subject: xj: RE: Re: re: lighting and a screamin' deal! > >details, specs, pics, links to these backup lights? >thanks >Dora-ble http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-backup_lights.html fwiw, I ended up mounting the light on the spoiler... only spec I can think of is that they are 55Watts... :) Bill has 'em at Central 4x4... hope this helps... john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:19:43 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: an idea... I've got a server that I'm paying for without sponsors or income... So, I got to thinking... Why not create on on-line place for folks to sell parts, and vehicles at a low cost? Since I've got the space and fixed overhead... I would be able to charge less than other "for profit" auction sites... Any thoughts, ideas or stuff for sale? ;) FWIW, I get email from other places in the world where folks are looking for older rigs to export. Not to mention the need for various parts. john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:49:05 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: msg to the jeep nut: vacuum and juice The idle solenoid activates when the ignition switch is "On". Its job is to act as an anti-run-on device. That is why you set the idle with the screw on the base of the linkage with the solenoid disconnected to 550 RPM, then connect the solenoid and set the spec curb idle, 650RPM for automatics, at the solenoid mount. The difference allows the throttle to close slightly at shut down, keeping the engine from running on. When the idle solenoid gets old and weak, the symptoms are exactly as you describe. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't fix you vacuum leaks!!! I had replaced all but two vac hoses, the Pwbrk and the cruise control, which had passed the Monica test*. Still had vacuum of only 15.5 psi. Bought an intake manifold gasket set, thought it HAD to be leaking. Took a flyer on replacing the "OK" hoses. Guess what? Vacuum is now 19.5 psi, with 133,000 miles on the engine, at 3000 feet altitude. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 *[Monica test: 1)Take hose loose. 2)Plug one end with finger. 3)Suck on other end. 4)Insert tongue to hold vacuum. 5)Hose is USUALLY all right if there is a "pop" when you remove your tongue.] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "full size jeep list" Sent: Monday, 08 May, 2000 23:45 Subject: fsj: msg to the jeep nut: vacuum and juice > hey jeepnut, aka steve, > > sounds like a vacuum leak. > To fix the vacuum leak just replace EVERY vacuum line under the hood, tighten > all the intake manifold bolts, and the carb base... while you're at it, tighten > the exhaust bolts too. you won't be sorry. > I doubt it's your throttle solenoid, it only activates when you turn > on the a/c. Cold idle speed is controlled by the choke and kicks off of > fast idle pretty soon after starting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... A: Oops! I meant 904 behind the 4 cyl in the XJ! (I was tired and overwrought last night, after spending the past week cruising to Canada and back to visit my son in the hospital, only to come home to a "Dear Jim" letter, but after a good night's sleep, I have come to the conclusion that it may be for the better for both of us in the long run) The 4x4 versions of the 727, 998, 999, 904 and AW4 have the same bolt pattern on the extension housing end that attaches to the transfercase. I figured it was easier for me in the long run to just get a '91 trans to bolt directly into Blackie as I didn't have time to mess around with the tranny should something else be wrong during a 21-23 spline output swap. Not sure of any yards having a NV242 (23 spline) or NP242 (21 spline) but I just sold my 21 spline NP242 for $400 and the NV249 with it for $50 more. (I used the money to cover getting the 23 spline trans) The NP219 (still attached to a near dead 727) I found was at the rebuilders, and I check the shifting and VC by hand and it seems OK. Not much chain slack even! Let's see $228 cdn =3D approx $150 US I wrote: A: The NP229 came behind the 998 with the 4 banger and V6 lump. AW4 didn't happen til '86 with the 4.0L and the 4 cyl got a whimpier version, with a changed bolt pattern (Or so I heard). Only the '80 NP219 and NP119 came with a 21 spline that I have seen so far. BTW John, I found a NP219 for $200 CDN + tax while junk yarding last week. John wrote: my Jeep factory service manual only listed the three trannies I cited before... 904, 999 and the 727. As far as I know the 727 did NOT find it's way into an XJ. They were only used in the SJ models. They may have done something different in Canada... ymmv. ;) what kind of shape was the 219 in? how much is that US? When are you going back? ;) Do they have any 242's? john paul=A0stelzig wrote: I just pulled a np229 out of a '85 little wagoneer in a junk yard I think it had a AW4 but I don't realy know xj's very well. Ray Drouillard wrote: so, yes, an AW will hold up just fine in an FSJ. Will it mate to my NP229? I'm assuming that it will bold to the 360 with little trouble. Ray ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 00 14:25:19 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: color thread... again...] john wrote: > I'm not interested in White, Gray, Tan or colors with green in > them... (8 years in the army mind ya...;) A taupe/fawn/brown/beige > range is what I'm after, but it has to match the leather interior > and the existing paint color: Copper Brown Metallic, otherwise > I'll have to repaint parts of the interior too!!! = Gee, at least you're not too picky. :D Seriously tho, if you want to mat= ch that copper metallic, you probably want to stay far away from brown, purp= le, or orange or any colors of similar shade, tho a darker shade of the same = color or black would probably do the trick. I'd suggest a lighter color that contrasts with the red (and nutmeg inter= ior) so you're looking for yellow or blue or a combination thereof. You've ni= xed tan and green, so that leaves yellow and blue. Maybe your ivory on the X= J would work or an off-white with even more yellow. How about a lighter sh= ade of light blue, cyan, or teal, preferably metallic for any of these. Does= teal count as a color with sufficient green to remind you of OD? If so, I'd s= ay you spent 8 years too long in the service... :) How hard would it be to paint the visible metal surfaces on the interior?= I mean, if you could get your hands on a small sprayer and could mask enoug= h and remove the instrument cluster, etc...? Hmmm... how about using contact p= aper to cover the interior metal? Maybe woodgrain? Heck, anything that matched--black, ivory, whatever. Then you'd only have to really worry ab= out matching the interior. What about multi color paint? IOW, paint large blocks of the hood and si= des with a lighter color like your ivory? Maybe your wife is just having a problem seeing that particular color in such large, uninterrupted quantity...? Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: an idea... A: Sounds like a great idea to me! You could get a download of ad pages from epage.com. I was going to do that with my website, but the computer died and I got the Webtv instead. Lord knows I have enough stuff left over to almost compete with Olympic 4x4! (anyone need a 4.2L?) John wrote: I've got a server that I'm paying for without sponsors or income... So, I got to thinking... Why not create on on-line place for folks to sell parts, and vehicles at a low cost? Since I've got the space and fixed overhead... I would be able to charge less than other "for profit" auction sites... Any thoughts, ideas or stuff for sale? ;) FWIW, I get email from other places in the world where folks are looking for older rigs to export. Not to mention the need for various parts. john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 00 14:35:36 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: track bars and FSJs] john wrote: > I would think that you could could remove them and not > have problems. I don't know why yours keeps tearing > off the frame. I removed mine off TC because of the 4" lift; they wouldn't fit. They don't seem to fit real well on the 85, Backhoe with a 2" lift. I think the turn-in is quicker on the 85 because of them, but TC has new ball joints and drag link end so it's easier to drive on the highway anyway. Very precise. Haven't noticed any other problems. I understand the full size F***s and C****s with leaf springs never had 'em either... > Anyway, I digress... on the late model gw's I think they used > the track bars mainly in the rear to improve ride and handling... > what they do though is affect articulation and make noise. :) I would also venture to say they put 'em up front to reduce the amount of sideways force exerted on the spring packs when turning. Maybe something else is going on, but the 85 turns a lot faster than I expect, and the 86 turns a lot later than I expect it to. They're both running 31" BFG ATs. Anyway, I say take the dang thing off, but be wary that this may be a symptom of some other problem with the suspension... = Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. 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