From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu May 11 11:10:13 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, May 11 2000 Volume 01 : Number 845 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re:color update... fsj: Fel-Pro kaput? and 4350 gasket fsj: Re: $200.00 Wag in Witchita fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q fsj: Los Alamos... Re: fsj: FRONT GRILL, DURABAK, ETC... fsj: Vinyl top Re: fsj: Wiper Problem fsj: RE: Vinyl top fsj: NEC fsj: Re: color update... fsj: Re: color update... Re: fsj: Re: color update... Re: [fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer] fsj: sun shine pain and cool rides... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:24:39 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re:color update... > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:59:48 -0700 > From: john > > thanx michael for your comments on color... believe it > or not the wife says "Black Cherry"... whatever that is. (snip) > So, anybody know what color Black Cherry is? I saw it once on something. Maybe a Ford pickup? It was a stock color I think. It looked pretty cool and I was told it was Black Cherry when I asked. It was a vey dark red/maroon with alot of depth when the sun hit it but looked basically black when it was overcast, especially from a distance. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:17:08 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Fel-Pro kaput? and 4350 gasket I went to Napa to get a new gasket to go between my Motorcraft 4350 and the plastic spacer. I gave them the Fel-Pro part # and they had no way to cross reference it and didn't have the ability to order me one from any other source. They sent me to the competition next door who said they'd have it in the morning -$15. Napa said this little hole-in-the-wall parts store was the only one who handled Fel-Pro anymore. So is Fel-Pro in trouble or does Napa just have a worse attitude than usual? I need a new gasket cause I pulled the carb off too many times over the weekend and it appears to be leaking. The side that goes against the carb has all kinds of little casting indentations in it. At $15 a pop I wonder if I could get away with just flipping it over and useing the good side to seal against the carb base? Any thoughts on this? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:29:58 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: $200.00 Wag in Witchita > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:00:26 -0700 > From: Clark Novak > > Recently listed on eBay... this guys has a '75 Wagoneer "kit." Body over > here... motor over there... you haul it and mate the two: but it's only at > $135 right now. Hey, that's Wichita, not Witchita! Although I do know of few of the latter in residence there. I wonder if I can get my folks to go buy it and park it in the driveway til I get around to picking it up? Boy, my mom would love that. I'm already the black sheep of the family. I'd be lucky if she let park my '71 in her driveway. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:35:22 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer jeepnut writes: >> What happens is that I can feel the pedal shift with my foot sitting lightly on it and of course I hear the engine idle w a y down to almost stopping, or sometimes it actually just dies. Happens very quick = if you are pulling up to a stop sign. Just ... pop, the pedal shifts, the idle drops, and she's dead or just barely turning over. So I'm thinking throttle solenoid, << I'm thinking your thinking is correct. :-) Based on you feeling the peddle move-up, either you have an intermittent in the solenoid's power wire or the solenoid itself is intermittent. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 10-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:35:20 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q john writes: >> Anyway, the wiring harness is really irrelevant to the issue at hand. = If you have Air Conditioning, you need a certain gauge wire to handle the= current associated with it. Just because you have a larger alternator doesn't mean squat... Unless of course your wrench, or Chrysler, has figured out how to violate Kirchoff's Law... ;) Like I said, the wiring harness between the alternator and external regulator, if any, would have to be changed for the higher output. But from the Battery back to the firewall, nothing would be changed... At lea= st on a Jeep. And I'm not sure they used different fusible links on the Jee= ps for higher output Alternators... << >> So, crank up the amperage capability of your alternator without fear of frying your fsj. However, I highly, highly recommend the use of relays= for any higher load devices like lights, horn, fans and so on. The H4 replacement loom from IPF is a good way of reducing problems with even th= e standard headlights. I had problems with dimmer switches and headlight switches using regular stuff. :) = << The big thing with higher output alternators is to use the stock wiring t= o run all the stock accessories, but any high draw aftermarket accessories like lights, stereo amps, etc. need to be powered by properly installed and over-current protected totally separate wiring. The stock 10 gauge wiring from the alternator and battery can't handle more than about 50 amps. total and if you look-up 10 gauge wire on the 12V NEC length vs. current capacity chart, the chart tops-out at 30 amps. Meaning the Nation= al Electric Code doesn't recommend 10 gauge wire for more than 30 amps. I get a few chuckles often when someone is giving me an underhood tour and they point out their 140 amp. alternator. I guess it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside and they sleep well at night knowing all that potential electrical power is under their hood. Then I look at the back a= nd find the only wire hooked-up is the factory 10 gauge. :-) I think "wow, 1= 40 amps and 90 of them are wasted." :-) Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 10-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:55:33 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Los Alamos... I can't remember who it is right now, but someone on the list is from Los Alamos... If you are still on line, hope all is ok. (there may be two folks down there... or it's the same person and they've dealt with me on a couple of issues... tracking down a Diesel Benz and then some auto type parts...) BTW, thanx again for what you sent me last year... (your name will come to me sooner or later... (probably when you return my email... if you can... :) or when I stumble over the box in my shop that you sent... (don't feel bad that I can't remember your name... I've forgotten my own before, honestly... (and I quit radio announcing the next day too... ;) Let us know if there is anything you need, if we can help we will. That's one good thing about these lists. :) For a little bit of light hearted, 4x4 related, fun, check out something Dan sent out earlier tonight: http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/u-might-be.html I can't believe how much of it is so close to the truth... (I'm thinking of a current kitchen project going on right now at my house that costs over twice what I paid for Superdawg!!! and it costs even more than I paid for Fritz!!!) rofl... Anyway, hope all is well down in New Mexico with you and your family... john meister snohomish, washington - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.freegift.net/ - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 02:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: FRONT GRILL, DURABAK, ETC... A: 1: I think so, but others will answer who did it already. 2; Not yet, but I plan to do my interior with it. 3; Sounds like 6 cyl mounts to me! Does the engine hit the firewall? Does one of the mounts have 4 slotted holes? Want to trade for some V8 ones? The mounts should be 5" ahead of the 6 cyl mounts (wait a sec! That's trans mount! Haven't measured the V8 ones yet) Mark=A0Graves=A0II wrote; Hey All, I have an 81 J10 that is going through some major fixins. I have a couple questions: 1. If I remove the existing grill, will a 60's grill fit over the radiator hole, and vintage round lights fit in the existing (round) holes? 2. Has anyone done their paint job in Durabak or Hurkuliner? If so, how much did it take, what did it cost, and who did you buy it from? 3. The engine is a swapped in 360 from a 80 J10.. Can anyone give me the right location for the motor mounts? I think the guy who did it mounted it too far to the rear and too high in the engine compartment. Thanks for the help! - -Mark G ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:52:22 -0500 From: "Bob Bradfield,MCSE" Subject: fsj: Vinyl top Ok, the vinyl top on my 83 Wag needs to come off. Has some holes and tears but, the biggest reason is the fade, it's just ugly. Also, I don't want any type of rack up there. Can I just remove the vinyl and plug (bondo) the holes? The trucks gonna be repainted anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:42:00 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Wiper Problem I had the same thing as I was driving.. The vibrations, loosened up the little ring screw thingy, that goes to the wiper switch, on the metal dash. I tighten it , and had no problems.. It was not grounded right ( switch) if it is grounded right, , the maybe the switch it's self is going bad. Does it click right? does it feel loose? R.J. 1FSJ-at-Egoups.com DoctorNor-at-aol.com wrote: > I have an 88 FJS which I think is a great vehicle to have. Winter time came, > no problem, nothing stopped this baby. It's fun to drive no matter what the > road conditions. Anyway, the other day, as it was raining, my wipers > hesitated briefly, and upon the next wipe, stopped all together. They stopped > in mid wipe and would only move again if you pushed them, and then stuck in > the middle again. Anyone know if this is the wiper motor kicking the bucket? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:34:54 -0600 From: "Gaylon Holmes" Subject: fsj: RE: Vinyl top Body filler does not have the integrity necessary to fill the holes satisfactorily. It is designed simply to fill minor imperfections and grinder marks in sheet metal panels. Find a qualified welder and have him/her use a wire-feed, (MIG), welder to fill the holes. Caution is required to avoid warping the panels from the heat. A good welder will know how to isolate the heat to the repair area to avoid this difficulty. Always treat any bare metal and welded areas with an etch-type primer to achieve adhesive and prevent corrosion. Regards, - -Holmes > Ok, the vinyl top on my 83 Wag needs to come off. Has some holes > and tears > but, the biggest reason is the fade, it's just ugly. Also, I > don't want any > type of rack up there. Can I just remove the vinyl and plug (bondo) the > holes? The trucks gonna be repainted anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:20:08 -0500 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: fsj: NEC Michael Baxter wrote: >The stock 10 gauge >wiring from the alternator and battery can't handle more than about 50 >amps. total and if you look-up 10 gauge wire on the 12V NEC length vs. >current capacity chart, the chart tops-out at 30 amps. Meaning the National >Electric Code doesn't recommend 10 gauge wire for more than 30 amps. Because I needed a break, and I was a bit curious, I tried to look for the reference you made with respect to the "12V NEC length vs. current capacity chart." I couldn't find it though. I have a 1999 copy of the NEC (NFPA70). Where is that chart at? Thanks, Jamie "you know it's bad when you look at the NEC for entertainment" Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:45:32 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: color update... > thanx michael for your comments on color... believe it > or not the wife says "Black Cherry"... whatever that is. > I think she liked the looks of Jim's Black J10... even though > it has a rougher body than mine even... > > You can see the parts of the interior that have the copper > brown metallic on it... under the windows, windshield posts, > door jambs... : > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10s/johns-83-Stepside/interior/j10s-interior-pass- > 00jan1.jpg > > Anyway... I may be changing the door panels to nutmeg as well. I got the bucket seats from a '76 Chero for next to nada, and had my favorite local hide sticher cover them in a saddle tan vinyl that the mfr. calls "Beechnut". Not quite as orange as OEM nutmeg. MUCH better than the clapped out yellowy tan bench it had in it, courtesy of the DSPO. Every time you braked hard, that seat would cough out morre pieces of broken springs. like a cat ralphing a hair ball. By the end, I was doing a lowrider number, with butt on floor. OUCH! > Having a light colored hood presents some challenges when the sun > comes out though... :) We're not used to bright lights up here > and having any kind of sunshine reflecting off that big old hood > will blind me... ;) Myself, even though mine is Redwood, I'm painting the hood flat black. Even in a dark tone, and no recent wash/wax, it still reflects too much. > So, anybody know what color Black Cherry is? :) Sheesh... not > sure I want to go with a dark color... oh, btw, Tan, Beige, Taupe > and so on are ok... I was thinking the tan that jeep used, it's > pretty bad... silver/gray maybe... I'm not into celery color > or teal... I guess I'll know it when I see it. You can tell that you aren't from cowboy country! Anyone from TX, NM, WY, or MT could tell you what that color is, as it's a VERY popular color in Western boots. > Black does look good on these trucks, but I'm afraid that it'll > not only show every speck of dust, but every imperfection in the > body... Love black cars too, had a '74 'Cuda that was black, it looked fine all shined up. That black interior was an oven, tho, even with the A/C cranked up. When you went out to get in after it had been in the sun awhile, you put on your Nomex fire suit, opened the door, reached in and started it, turned A/C on, and let it cool down for 15-30minutes, so you didn't fry your butt. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: color update... On Thu, 11 May 2000, Kim Smith wrote: >-->Myself, even though mine is Redwood, I'm painting the hood flat black. >-->Even in a dark tone, and no recent wash/wax, it still reflects too much. I've done the black hood treatment on my Mustangs... not sure I want to do it again... >--> >-->> So, anybody know what color Black Cherry is? :) Sheesh... not >-->> sure I want to go with a dark color... oh, btw, Tan, Beige, Taupe >-->> and so on are ok... I was thinking the tan that jeep used, it's >-->> pretty bad... silver/gray maybe... I'm not into celery color >-->> or teal... I guess I'll know it when I see it. >--> >-->You can tell that you aren't from cowboy country! Anyone from >-->TX, NM, WY, or MT could tell you what that color is, as it's a >-->VERY popular color in Western boots. probably the color of my Justin's... I never wore pointy toed cowboy boots before, had acme's or something like that with a wide toe... decided to try on the Justin's... oh wow... like a glove. Mine were recolored a burgundy/brown/redish color... they hurt me under my ankle bones now... :( got 'em in 81... had 'em resoled once... >--> >--> >-->> Black does look good on these trucks, but I'm afraid that it'll >-->> not only show every speck of dust, but every imperfection in the >-->> body... >--> >-->Love black cars too, had a '74 'Cuda that was black, it looked fine >-->all shined up. That black interior was an oven, tho, even with the A/C >-->cranked up. When you went out to get in after it had been in the sun >-->awhile, you put on your Nomex fire suit, opened the door, reached in and >-->started it, turned A/C on, and let it cool down for 15-30minutes, so you >-->didn't fry your butt. I sold my a/c equipped car in Georgia for a motorcycle... had to put a towel on the seat to keep from frying my bacon... :) not sure I want to do anything that creates heat... you know, for those days when the sun comes out here... last year it was on a Saturday... john >--> >-->kim >-->'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: color update... A: I like Black Cherry, but Blackie will proably stay just the way it is. The back window with the sun the other day in an hour's lineup going back to Canada sure let me know why rednecks drive these trucks! I think it's close to a solar focusing point or something! LOL! My cowboy dancing boots are black seal skin (30 years old, and I know they are non-pc, but I wouldn't buy new ones!) and my previous ones saw lots of trailrides. When I cleaned the KAKA off them, they were black too! I thought about doing the flat black mask on Elmo, because driving towards the sun, even with #10 shades on was eye watering! John wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2000, Kim Smith wrote: Myself, even though mine is Redwood, I'm painting the hood flat black. Even in a dark tone, and no recent wash/wax, it still reflects too much. I've done the black hood treatment on my Mustangs... not sure I want to do it again... So, anybody know what color Black Cherry is? :) Sheesh... not sure I want to go with a dark color... oh, btw, Tan, Beige, Taupe and so on are ok... I was thinking the tan that jeep used, it's pretty bad... silver/gray maybe... I'm not into celery color or teal... I guess I'll know it when I see it. You can tell that you aren't from cowboy country! Anyone from TX, NM, WY, or MT could tell you what that color is, as it's a VERY popular color in Western boots. probably the color of my Justin's... I never wore pointy toed cowboy boots before, had acme's or something like that with a wide toe... decided to try on the Justin's... oh wow... like a glove. Mine were recolored a burgundy/brown/redish color... they hurt me under my ankle bones now... :( got 'em in 81... had 'em resoled once... Black does look good on these trucks, but I'm afraid that it'll not only show every speck of dust, but every imperfection in the body... Love black cars too, had a '74 'Cuda that was black, it looked fine all shined up. That black interior was an oven, tho, even with the A/C cranked up. When you went out to get in after it had been in the sun awhile, you put on your Nomex fire suit, opened the door, reached in and started it, turned A/C on, and let it cool down for 15-30minutes, so you didn't fry your butt. I sold my a/c equipped car in Georgia for a motorcycle... had to put a towel on the seat to keep from frying my bacon... :) not sure I want to do anything that creates heat... you know, for those days when the sun comes out here... last year it was on a Saturday... john kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0---- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 00 11:40:12 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer] Michael Baxter wrote: > I'm thinking your thinking is correct. :-) Based on you feeling the > peddle move-up, either you have an intermittent in the solenoid's power= > wire or the solenoid itself is intermittent. On the topic of throttles behaving oddly... you may recall from my Moab t= ales that my 85 GW "Backhoe" launched himself into rather nasty rocky notch wh= en the RR started to droop going over a tough obstacle. What happened was t= he throttle cable housing got yanked out of the grommit attached to the plat= e attached to the carb and effectively applied the throttle. For the rest = of the vacation I discovered every time the RR droops due to twist, the acce= l goes down, tho never as much as it did that one fateful night on Hell's Revenge. Seems a friend of mine on CFSJA had the same problem with his rig. Are t= hese vehicles known to have short throttle cables? Is this a problem anyone e= lse has experienced? Any other thoughts? Looking to remedy this before the next trail ride for fairly obvious reasons... Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: sun shine pain and cool rides... On Thu, 11 May 2000, James Blair wrote: >-->A: I like Black Cherry, but Blackie will proably stay just the way it >-->is. The back window with the sun the other day in an hour's lineup going >-->back to Canada sure let me know why rednecks drive these trucks! I think >-->it's close to a solar focusing point or something! LOL! ---- driving that Honcho up from California was bad the first day... coming up out of the Bay area with the sun to my back... yikes... I didn't want to stop to put something back there either... finally put my briefcase behind my head... or a pillow, or something... forgot what I used now... but man was it hot. :) notice Superdawg has a sunscreen in the back window already... and a functioning air conditioning... I use it almost daily... sure is nice... (yes, it may only be 59 degrees outside, but it gets up to dang near 65 in that cab... ;) I can crank that a/c so it spews about 29 degrees... lately I've been running it at about 45 degrees or so... ahhhhh.... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #845 *************************